Seems disingenuous though. They're still calling them Builds. The result of releasing the game is that they've greatly decreased the number of beta testers, yet continue to beta test.
At least call post patch build something other than Build XXX, and don't refer to them as betas. Please?
The build number makes no difference, it's just a way to keep track of where the game is and a reference number if you're speaking of older versions of the game. If they decide to call it Build 229 or v1.92 or whatever, it doesn't matter, it's still the same version.
They are also not calling the build itself the beta, but rather, that there is a beta test period for the build where changes can be made if necessary. Once the build is released it isn't classified as beta any more.
It's not disingenuous at all, this is closer to the reality of what the builds actually are. If this were a Blizzard game the patch would be 1.0.2 and the "beta" would be a PTR release. Same thing. Given that they're going for weekly/biweekly patches over Steam I think it makes sense not to use a formal number system like that, Valve never has numbers at all for their patches. They should just come up with catchy names for the big feature patches IMO, like the Gorilla patch.
I tried to play the beta build today but what is worrying me is that I still get the red plug 10 till 30 seconds after I connect to a server. I was hoping this bug would be fixed with the next patch..
<!--quoteo(post=2022105:date=Nov 13 2012, 03:01 PM:name=Regnareb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Regnareb @ Nov 13 2012, 03:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2022105"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The devs ave stated several times that this build would be mainly for fixing big issues. If you can't connect to any server at all, THAT is game-breaking, perhaps the onos egg is bad, but that change will come in time. If you can't even launch the game, how do you want to fix the balance? You don't want to build a roof for your house if there is no walls.
Portugal, like Spain does not have the same Qwerty has Americans or "X" have, even the Brazilian one is different than the Portuguese one. And my point was not even that, but that diversity is on earth, so why everybody should use the layout that YOU use? It's so narrow minded.
And in fact, that last point was not my real point either, I wanted to say that Qwerty is really BAD, as same as Qwertz and Azerty. Those were invented more than 100 years before because there were technical difficulties with the mechanical keyboards. But now, there are several others layout that are way more efficient, ergonomic, and healthy than Qwerty/Whatever. No, it does not make sense that Qwerty still exists and Soylent_green explained it well.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
According to that point of yours of the need of diversity (which is totally not the trend and direction things are going nowadays) then it makes no sense we all know english, and it makes no sense the language used on the internet is english.
Bug - Game still runs like **** on GTX 580. 30Fps.
Not technically a bug, but i like to complain about performance wherever and whenever i can, as it's far more important that the game actually runs smoothly than if there are some silly bugs.
<!--quoteo(post=2022529:date=Nov 13 2012, 10:57 PM:name=oskuro)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (oskuro @ Nov 13 2012, 10:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2022529"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->?¿ i have GTX 580 and runs without problems.
how can i check my Fps ingame which was the command for the console to display it?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> r_stats 1
<!--quoteo(post=2021893:date=Nov 13 2012, 06:18 AM:name=Hamlet)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hamlet @ Nov 13 2012, 06:18 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2021893"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It would make NS2 much more accessible and convenient for your German, French, Canadian and all the other players that don't use QWERTY keyboard layouts.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just a quick FYI, Canadians all use QWERTY. The dominant keyboard format in Canada on new desktops/laptops as of 2010 is "Canadian French". Before that, US was dominant, and is still common.
US is what it sounds like, Canadian French looks like this:
Finding a US keyboard in Canada is now very difficult. Some companies, like Sony, refuse to sell anything but French keyboards anywhere in the country. Other companies like Apple will sell US keyboards on their English models anywhere in the country. Personally, I refuse to buy any laptop with a French keyboard, since there's typically no easy way to swap it for an English keyboard.
<!--quoteo(post=2022517:date=Nov 13 2012, 04:45 PM:name=Fallward)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fallward @ Nov 13 2012, 04:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2022517"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Bug - Game still runs like **** on GTX 580. 30Fps.
Not technically a bug, but i like to complain about performance wherever and whenever i can, as it's far more important that the game actually runs smoothly than if there are some silly bugs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
checked now, its between 80+ and 100 more less my FPS. is that ok?? sometimes 80+, 90..... in some places 100 FPS.....
Found another bug just now. Repeat these steps to duplicate the bug.
1. Respawn as marine. 2. Drop Rifle and Pistol. 3. Buy welder. (maybe fire?) 4. Enter CC, leave CC. 5. Buy mines.
I confirmed it with a teammate and he also experienced the bug.
Now you will have the lay-mines animation play over and over again, and you can't place mines either. When you click primary fire, others will see that you're placing a mine with an animation but no mine gets placed and the mine ammo doesn't decrease. If you switch weapons / drop and pickup the mines again it still doesn't work. You have to pickup the rifle/pistol or buy another primary weapon in order for it to work.
This has probably been corrected, but I think Mist already sped Hydra maturity rates, I'd guess Hydras being 'catalyzable' would be ment to read 'enzymable' ... which makes alot of sense.
What about Whips? Anyone tried?
PS: remember Qwerty was designed to SLOW us down at typing and prevent typewriter arms colliding as much, by seperating out 'proximity keys'.
<!--quoteo(post=2022331:date=Nov 14 2012, 02:46 AM:name=RedDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RedDragon @ Nov 14 2012, 02:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2022331"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->At least call post patch build something other than Build XXX, and don't refer to them as betas. Please?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does it matter? Also, in software, every version is called a "build" whether it's alpha, beta or release. Semantically it's fine.
Yea I can see Build 229 hasn't really fixed anything, hell it broke more stuff if you ask me.
I see absolutely no servers in the list, no matter what variation of options I pick whether to filter empty, full, modded not modded etc. I try quick join to see if that would work (doesnt work on 228 either), it somehow starts to join a server then sits there at "Downloading mods..." and never moves again. It never loaded the server, it never crashed out to any kind of error message or error code, I couldn't even escape out of the loading screen I had to physically close the process in task manager.
You'd think "well its a beta patch.." but stuff like this? Happens all the time on the regular live version of 228. (and no im not using some off the wall name brand router that everyone links you too if you're having issues seeing the server browser populate servers, my server browser works for every other online game on steam that has a server browser, yet ns2's is by far the worst).
Take some of that money you guys made from selling this, and hire more people. Seriously, I know the dev team is small but damn dudes hire more experienced coders and programmers. I still say its probably the worst $25 I've spent, I'm only still waiting for fixes out of sheer "i told you so"-grudge style mood this damn game puts you into.
<!--quoteo(post=2022919:date=Nov 14 2012, 08:59 AM:name=Maverickk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Maverickk @ Nov 14 2012, 08:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2022919"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yea I can see Build 229 hasn't really fixed anything, hell it broke more stuff if you ask me.
I see absolutely no servers in the list, no matter what variation of options I pick whether to filter empty, full, modded not modded etc. I try quick join to see if that would work (doesnt work on 228 either), it somehow starts to join a server then sits there at "Downloading mods..." and never moves again. It never loaded the server, it never crashed out to any kind of error message or error code, I couldn't even escape out of the loading screen I had to physically close the process in task manager.
You'd think "well its a beta patch.." but stuff like this? Happens all the time on the regular live version of 228. (and no im not using some off the wall name brand router that everyone links you too if you're having issues seeing the server browser populate servers, my server browser works for every other online game on steam that has a server browser, yet ns2's is by far the worst).
Take some of that money you guys made from selling this, and hire more people. Seriously, I know the dev team is small but damn dudes hire more experienced coders and programmers. I still say its probably the worst $25 I've spent, I'm only still waiting for fixes out of sheer "i told you so"-grudge style mood this damn game puts you into.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So have you not been able to play the game at all? Do you have any steam friends that play the game, because I find that the quickest and easiest way of connecting to a suitable server. Otherwise you can use the nanogrid web based server browser.
I guess if you haven't been able to play the game at all, your disappointment is understandable. Otherwise, if you base your opinion of the game entirely on the performance of the menu, I would hate to know what your favorite game of all time is.
It's Excel 2007. Maverickk is just inventing reasons to spew his bile all over the place. He is berating UWE because they invented the alien comm, put in the infestation system and added power nodes to NS2. Then he complains (cries) about the PRes + TRes system. He hates the flamethrower because it's a support weapon that's not designed for making hundreds of kills and instead wishes the HMG (also known as: bad game design) back. He also does not like the Spark engine and suggests (with a serious face) that UWE better go back to the Source Engine or Cry Engine 3.
What did you say? You want to hear Maverickk's most ridiculous quote? Here you go: <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There are people out there with massively powerful desktop pc's, that even being custom built would rank up in the thousands of dollars to build, are getting horrible performance. We're talking people with 4.4ghz hexacore CPU's, SLI GPU's (such as Nvidia 680's or 90's), 16+ GB DDR3 ram, water cooling all that snazzy stuff getting 30 or less FPS during any part of gameplay. And it's not just "a few", TONS of people with high end systems have the same or similar issues.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> ...coming straight from the Trolling 101 handbook.
True to form he also demands a refund.
What Maverickk's trolling boils down to is the simple fact that he hates every little detail that makes NS2 stand out/differ from NS1. If you gave in to his demands, you'd be left with a 100% recycled NS1 on the Source Engine...
Conclusion: I don't believe a single word you are writing, Maverickk.
Probably he's trolling yes...seems so. But I can confirm the problem with not finding a single server. b228 worked perfectly for me. Toaday I finally started the b229 beta and the server browser is empty. I switched all filters off and still... nothing. It's "refreshing" for some 2-3 sec, nothing more. Joining a quick game doesn't work either. Connecting from: Europe/germany. System: Windows7 64.
<!--quoteo(post=2023072:date=Nov 14 2012, 01:31 PM:name=Hamlet)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hamlet @ Nov 14 2012, 01:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2023072"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Try lowering the performance slider as well as setting the ping slider to unlimited.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> As I said, all filters are off. Perf. is on zero and the ping one is on max... Tbh I didn't try to reboot or restart steam or such things (although I downloaded the beta yesterday and have rebooted since) but I do have this problem and I think it has something to do with a bug in the new beta
<!--quoteo(post=2022967:date=Nov 14 2012, 12:06 PM:name=Zeno)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zeno @ Nov 14 2012, 12:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2022967"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Probably he's trolling yes...seems so. But I can confirm the problem with not finding a single server. b228 worked perfectly for me. Toaday I finally started the b229 beta and the server browser is empty. I switched all filters off and still... nothing. It's "refreshing" for some 2-3 sec, nothing more. Joining a quick game doesn't work either. Connecting from: Europe/germany. System: Windows7 64.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I had this bug too. Restarting the game helped. On another day I got a very wired bug, where my ping got up to 999 on a server. Than the red plug of doom. All the servers in the server browser had high ping too. Only a system restart fixed it.
<!--quoteo(post=2023091:date=Nov 14 2012, 02:49 PM:name=The Vault Key)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Vault Key @ Nov 14 2012, 02:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2023091"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What's the performance slider for anyway ? What kind of performance is that ? Servers Performance ? Player Performance or what ?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> It is server performance. You have to understand, that the game logic of NS2 is far superior to your normal FPS game. In CS, the server has to check every players position and direction, health, ammo, if he fires, if he is blinded. Additionally every thrown grenade and the bomb. Thats it. Now to NS2. Despite the bomb NS2 got everything that CS has to calculate. Add to this. Every cyst needs to be calculated. Its health, how far it has spread infestation, if it is connected or not, if it is ruptured and matured. The same for every building. Is it upgraded, is it placed on infestation? If the active ability is activated. All passive abilities, like what buildings need to be cloaked (shade), are there entities in the radius that need healing (craig), or energy regen (shift). Whips, hydras, sentries and mines need to check if there is an enemy in range. Marine buildings need to be checked if they are powered. Drifter scouting and Macs welding. And so on... I may have forgotten half of the things that a server has to calculate <u>30 times per second!</u>
Can you now understand that this game has performance problems in comparison to such simple games like CS or CoD, Maverickk? It doesn't matter if you would put it on the source engine. It couldn't handle it much faster. (Maybe beside that LUA bottleneck that makes it slower...) A server needs good hardware to hold up the increasing count of buildings during a match. If a server can't do this its performance rating in the server browser is decreased and players will notice lag and rubber-banding. So choose your server wisely.
<!--quoteo(post=2023120:date=Nov 14 2012, 02:15 PM:name=Zeno)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zeno @ Nov 14 2012, 02:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2023120"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As I said, all filters are off. Perf. is on zero and the ping one is on max... Tbh I didn't try to reboot or restart steam or such things (although I downloaded the beta yesterday and have rebooted since) but I do have this problem and I think it has something to do with a bug in the new beta<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> During how many time do you wait? If you frenetically click on Update, they will never come. Try to wait 30 seconds - 1 minutes to be REALLY sure there are no servers there.
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At least call post patch build something other than Build XXX, and don't refer to them as betas. Please?
The build number makes no difference, it's just a way to keep track of where the game is and a reference number if you're speaking of older versions of the game. If they decide to call it Build 229 or v1.92 or whatever, it doesn't matter, it's still the same version.
They are also not calling the build itself the beta, but rather, that there is a beta test period for the build where changes can be made if necessary. Once the build is released it isn't classified as beta any more.
If you can't connect to any server at all, THAT is game-breaking, perhaps the onos egg is bad, but that change will come in time. If you can't even launch the game, how do you want to fix the balance? You don't want to build a roof for your house if there is no walls.
Portugal, like Spain does not have the same Qwerty has Americans or "X" have, even the Brazilian one is different than the Portuguese one.
And my point was not even that, but that diversity is on earth, so why everybody should use the layout that YOU use? It's so narrow minded.
And in fact, that last point was not my real point either, I wanted to say that Qwerty is really BAD, as same as Qwertz and Azerty. Those were invented more than 100 years before because there were technical difficulties with the mechanical keyboards.
But now, there are several others layout that are way more efficient, ergonomic, and healthy than Qwerty/Whatever.
No, it does not make sense that Qwerty still exists and Soylent_green explained it well.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
According to that point of yours of the need of diversity (which is totally not the trend and direction things are going nowadays) then it makes no sense we all know english, and it makes no sense the language used on the internet is english.
edit: i find 2 servers, but they are emtpy :(
Good job with the unchecked mod filter on the browser, it should help mods to get some games going.
Also would like to bump for custom commander keys instead of borked crags.
Not technically a bug, but i like to complain about performance wherever and whenever i can, as it's far more important that the game actually runs smoothly than if there are some silly bugs.
how can i check my Fps ingame which was the command for the console to display it?
how can i check my Fps ingame which was the command for the console to display it?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Just a quick FYI, Canadians all use QWERTY. The dominant keyboard format in Canada on new desktops/laptops as of 2010 is "Canadian French". Before that, US was dominant, and is still common.
US is what it sounds like, Canadian French looks like this:
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/KB_Canadian_French_text.svg/500px-KB_Canadian_French_text.svg.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
Finding a US keyboard in Canada is now very difficult. Some companies, like Sony, refuse to sell anything but French keyboards anywhere in the country. Other companies like Apple will sell US keyboards on their English models anywhere in the country. Personally, I refuse to buy any laptop with a French keyboard, since there's typically no easy way to swap it for an English keyboard.
Not technically a bug, but i like to complain about performance wherever and whenever i can, as it's far more important that the game actually runs smoothly than if there are some silly bugs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
checked now, its between 80+ and 100 more less my FPS. is that ok?? sometimes 80+, 90..... in some places 100 FPS.....
i play perfect
1. Respawn as marine.
2. Drop Rifle and Pistol.
3. Buy welder. (maybe fire?)
4. Enter CC, leave CC.
5. Buy mines.
I confirmed it with a teammate and he also experienced the bug.
Now you will have the lay-mines animation play over and over again, and you can't place mines either. When you click primary fire, others will see that you're placing a mine with an animation but no mine gets placed and the mine ammo doesn't decrease. If you switch weapons / drop and pickup the mines again it still doesn't work. You have to pickup the rifle/pistol or buy another primary weapon in order for it to work.
What about Whips? Anyone tried?
PS: remember Qwerty was designed to SLOW us down at typing and prevent typewriter arms colliding as much, by seperating out 'proximity keys'.
What does it matter? Also, in software, every version is called a "build" whether it's alpha, beta or release. Semantically it's fine.
I see absolutely no servers in the list, no matter what variation of options I pick whether to filter empty, full, modded not modded etc. I try quick join to see if that would work (doesnt work on 228 either), it somehow starts to join a server then sits there at "Downloading mods..." and never moves again. It never loaded the server, it never crashed out to any kind of error message or error code, I couldn't even escape out of the loading screen I had to physically close the process in task manager.
You'd think "well its a beta patch.." but stuff like this? Happens all the time on the regular live version of 228. (and no im not using some off the wall name brand router that everyone links you too if you're having issues seeing the server browser populate servers, my server browser works for every other online game on steam that has a server browser, yet ns2's is by far the worst).
Take some of that money you guys made from selling this, and hire more people. Seriously, I know the dev team is small but damn dudes hire more experienced coders and programmers. I still say its probably the worst $25 I've spent, I'm only still waiting for fixes out of sheer "i told you so"-grudge style mood this damn game puts you into.
I see absolutely no servers in the list, no matter what variation of options I pick whether to filter empty, full, modded not modded etc. I try quick join to see if that would work (doesnt work on 228 either), it somehow starts to join a server then sits there at "Downloading mods..." and never moves again. It never loaded the server, it never crashed out to any kind of error message or error code, I couldn't even escape out of the loading screen I had to physically close the process in task manager.
You'd think "well its a beta patch.." but stuff like this? Happens all the time on the regular live version of 228. (and no im not using some off the wall name brand router that everyone links you too if you're having issues seeing the server browser populate servers, my server browser works for every other online game on steam that has a server browser, yet ns2's is by far the worst).
Take some of that money you guys made from selling this, and hire more people. Seriously, I know the dev team is small but damn dudes hire more experienced coders and programmers. I still say its probably the worst $25 I've spent, I'm only still waiting for fixes out of sheer "i told you so"-grudge style mood this damn game puts you into.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So have you not been able to play the game at all? Do you have any steam friends that play the game, because I find that the quickest and easiest way of connecting to a suitable server. Otherwise you can use the nanogrid web based server browser.
I guess if you haven't been able to play the game at all, your disappointment is understandable. Otherwise, if you base your opinion of the game entirely on the performance of the menu, I would hate to know what your favorite game of all time is.
Maverickk is just inventing reasons to spew his bile all over the place.
He is berating UWE because they invented the alien comm, put in the infestation system and added power nodes to NS2.
Then he complains (cries) about the PRes + TRes system. He hates the flamethrower because it's a support weapon that's not designed for making hundreds of kills and instead wishes the HMG (also known as: bad game design) back.
He also does not like the Spark engine and suggests (with a serious face) that UWE better go back to the Source Engine or Cry Engine 3.
What did you say? You want to hear Maverickk's most ridiculous quote? Here you go:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There are people out there with massively powerful desktop pc's, that even being custom built would rank up in the thousands of dollars to build, are getting horrible performance. We're talking people with 4.4ghz hexacore CPU's, SLI GPU's (such as Nvidia 680's or 90's), 16+ GB DDR3 ram, water cooling all that snazzy stuff getting 30 or less FPS during any part of gameplay. And it's not just "a few", TONS of people with high end systems have the same or similar issues.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...coming straight from the Trolling 101 handbook.
True to form he also demands a refund.
What Maverickk's trolling boils down to is the simple fact that he hates every little detail that makes NS2 stand out/differ from NS1.
If you gave in to his demands, you'd be left with a 100% recycled NS1 on the Source Engine...
Conclusion:
I don't believe a single word you are writing, Maverickk.
But I can confirm the problem with not finding a single server. b228 worked perfectly for me. Toaday I finally started the b229 beta and the server browser is empty. I switched all filters off and still... nothing. It's "refreshing" for some 2-3 sec, nothing more. Joining a quick game doesn't work either.
Connecting from: Europe/germany. System: Windows7 64.
[x] responsive comms
[x] all-voice teams
No seriously, it's an indicator for server performance and there are many that rate at 97% (or a bit lower) which is more than sufficient.
As I said, all filters are off. Perf. is on zero and the ping one is on max...
Tbh I didn't try to reboot or restart steam or such things (although I downloaded the beta yesterday and have rebooted since) but I do have this problem and I think it has something to do with a bug in the new beta
But I can confirm the problem with not finding a single server. b228 worked perfectly for me. Toaday I finally started the b229 beta and the server browser is empty. I switched all filters off and still... nothing. It's "refreshing" for some 2-3 sec, nothing more. Joining a quick game doesn't work either.
Connecting from: Europe/germany. System: Windows7 64.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I had this bug too. Restarting the game helped.
On another day I got a very wired bug, where my ping got up to 999 on a server. Than the red plug of doom. All the servers in the server browser had high ping too. Only a system restart fixed it.
<!--quoteo(post=2023091:date=Nov 14 2012, 02:49 PM:name=The Vault Key)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Vault Key @ Nov 14 2012, 02:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2023091"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What's the performance slider for anyway ? What kind of performance is that ? Servers Performance ? Player Performance or what ?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It is server performance. You have to understand, that the game logic of NS2 is far superior to your normal FPS game. In CS, the server has to check every players position and direction, health, ammo, if he fires, if he is blinded. Additionally every thrown grenade and the bomb. Thats it.
Now to NS2. Despite the bomb NS2 got everything that CS has to calculate. Add to this. Every cyst needs to be calculated. Its health, how far it has spread infestation, if it is connected or not, if it is ruptured and matured. The same for every building. Is it upgraded, is it placed on infestation? If the active ability is activated. All passive abilities, like what buildings need to be cloaked (shade), are there entities in the radius that need healing (craig), or energy regen (shift). Whips, hydras, sentries and mines need to check if there is an enemy in range. Marine buildings need to be checked if they are powered. Drifter scouting and Macs welding. And so on... I may have forgotten half of the things that a server has to calculate <u>30 times per second!</u>
Can you now understand that this game has performance problems in comparison to such simple games like CS or CoD, Maverickk? It doesn't matter if you would put it on the source engine. It couldn't handle it much faster. (Maybe beside that LUA bottleneck that makes it slower...) A server needs good hardware to hold up the increasing count of buildings during a match. If a server can't do this its performance rating in the server browser is decreased and players will notice lag and rubber-banding. So choose your server wisely.
Tbh I didn't try to reboot or restart steam or such things (although I downloaded the beta yesterday and have rebooted since) but I do have this problem and I think it has something to do with a bug in the new beta<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
During how many time do you wait? If you frenetically click on Update, they will never come. Try to wait 30 seconds - 1 minutes to be REALLY sure there are no servers there.