The new Infestation looks great

TripleZeroTripleZero Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167764Members, Reinforced - Shadow
edited November 2012 in Ideas and Suggestions
<div class="IPBDescription">Although it is stupid...</div>so... Does anybody even use the awesome new infestation graphics?

I had them enabled for 1 minute before i turned it off again.

Those Blobs block so much of your vision.

A corridor looks half as big with maximum infestation than with minimal. And those blobs often completely block the vision into vents as well...

So while it looks awesome its a huge gameplay disadvantage in some situations.

Either adapt the new graphics for a better playability or force them on everyone.
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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I love them. I play for fun, and graphics and features like that really add to the immersion and overall feeling of the game. If I wanted to get an edge then I'd play on 800x600 with all graphics settings turned down as much as possible.

    plus, there are only certain corridors that get so bad it obscures vision. I'm thinking of departures in docking specifically, along with vents.
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  • VolcanoVolcano Join Date: 2011-07-27 Member: 112496Members, Constellation
    skulks can hide in the blobs as well
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  • TripleZeroTripleZero Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167764Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2012
    how does playing with 800x600 give you an advantage lol.

    And it gets bad at alot of places, its simply way harder to see aliens and marines alike.

    Also i play for fun too, but its not fun to get ###### by a skulk that you didnt see because of those large blobs...
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  • DogfaceDogface Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167225Members
    I think they look awesome as hell and really add to the atmosphere of the game - I guess I agree that if they're going to have them, they should be compulsory for everyone, but.. *shrug*
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  • CrushaKCrushaK Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167195Members, NS2 Playtester
    Is the infestation actually the same for everyone? What tells you that it's not 100% clientside with a randomising algorithm for the pattern. Maybe that huge blob block that you are trying to hide in isn't even there on other player's clients?
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  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    Yeah I agree its somethings too thick, especially from commander view where I find it sometimes tough to find cloaked structures.

    <!--quoteo(post=2013409:date=Nov 6 2012, 06:55 PM:name=CrushaK)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CrushaK @ Nov 6 2012, 06:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2013409"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is the infestation actually the same for everyone? What tells you that it's not 100% clientside with a randomising algorithm for the pattern. Maybe that huge blob block that you are trying to hide in isn't even there on other player's clients?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I assumed it was server side, but seeing as you can turn it off I imagine all the server knows is the area of effect, not the actual look of it. Everyones looks a little different. Thats another reason why it shouldn't be obscuring peoples vision - some people may randomly get less obscuring than others.
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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    it is clientside, which is how you can turn it off. Playing at 800x600 would give you a framerate boost, and therefore a slight edge.
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  • PsympleJesterPsympleJester Join Date: 2008-04-06 Member: 64024Members
    It quite commonly entirely covers cysts as well xD
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  • quintoxquintox Join Date: 2008-11-27 Member: 65594Members
    I like the new infest, adds to the atmoshpere of the game making fully infested rooms look even more vile and dangerous to enter as a marine. Plus, I like the camouflage it provides as an alien. It can be beneficial or obscuring your vision, either way I think it's a nice addition to the game that shouldn't be changed at all!

    Besides that, it looks way better then the old overlapping glide animation of infestation.
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  • KuddlyKalliKuddlyKalli Yuggera Country Join Date: 2010-12-23 Member: 75905Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--coloro:#FFC0CB--><span style="color:#FFC0CB"><!--/coloro-->I love it! The new infestation is absolutely <i>disgusting</i>. As it should be.

    I leave it on most of the time, but in comp games I turn it off.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
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  • rantologyrantology Join Date: 2012-02-05 Member: 143750Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    edited November 2012
    Like many of the graphical settings, it makes the game look gorgeous, but it also blocks vision and lowers FPS. so it's not something competitive players are going to have on (or rather, anyone with a competitive mindset).
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  • AurOn2AurOn2 COOKIES&#33; FREEDOM, AND BISCUITS&#33; Australia Join Date: 2012-01-13 Member: 140224Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Forum staff
    just thought i'd say this, but this doesnt belong in the I&S Forums
    Oh and, yeah, infestation looks epic now, but it makes my pc pump out blood, instead of results.
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  • TwiggehTwiggeh Join Date: 2010-09-24 Member: 74165Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2013558:date=Nov 7 2012, 03:59 AM:name=6john)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (6john @ Nov 7 2012, 03:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2013558"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->it is clientside, which is how you can turn it off. Playing at 800x600 would give you a framerate boost, and therefore a slight edge.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well, since NS2 is mostly CPU-heavy, the fps-gain would be very small (unless you're on a really poopy rig), and you would end up with a net loss because of how much grittier the view becomes at such a low res (since it makes it harder to distinguish stationary skulks at a distance).
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  • PureHostilityPureHostility Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167579Members
    Well I've got everything on max on 1920x1080 beside AO which is set to medium (not much of a difference but saves up to 20 fps).

    I don't have any problems with infestation, I really like it's look.
    It doesn't handicap me or anything, I'm usually the one in the team on first place or 2nd at least.
    Pub playing only, though.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=2013372:date=Nov 7 2012, 12:17 AM:name=Volcano)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Volcano @ Nov 7 2012, 12:17 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2013372"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->skulks can hide in the blobs as well<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    not effectively though, the blobs are client side so you think you might be hiding when in fact you are in plain sight :P
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  • KhyronKhyron Join Date: 2012-02-02 Member: 143308Members
    I value that they put some extra effort in to infestation just before release. I think a bunch of reviewers and new players might have thought the old infestation was a bit primitive in terms of graphics. So the effort was well spent. I also welcome any new improvements to infestation because it's such a central theme to the Kharaa, and the original dynamic infestation video was one of the most trivial yet compelling things that attracted me to NS2. I'm a bit shallow like that hehe.
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  • hakenspithakenspit Join Date: 2010-11-26 Member: 75300Members
    Its nothing but bells and whistles...but hey I am a sucker for both.
    Sad to think people turn it off, makes it feel soo much less friendly when your deep in alien territory.

    I am a fan and look forward to future tweaks to improve appearance and behaviour.
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  • TripleZeroTripleZero Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167764Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    People seem to miss the point of my thread, its not that i dislike the Infestation, i think it looks awesome.

    My suggestion was simply that they should adapt it, as in smaller blobs and less vision obscuring so everyone can use it without a disadvantage towards players with minimum infestation.
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  • MiniH0wieMiniH0wie Join Date: 2007-11-25 Member: 63013Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2013972:date=Nov 7 2012, 07:25 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Nov 7 2012, 07:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2013972"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->not effectively though, the blobs are client side so you think you might be hiding when in fact you are in plain sight :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Exactly, at first I thought I could be sneaking a put a hydra into a blob and marines wouldn't be able to see it. It would have probably worked as long as they don't turn infestation setting down on their pc.
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  • MiniH0wieMiniH0wie Join Date: 2007-11-25 Member: 63013Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2014085:date=Nov 7 2012, 09:08 AM:name=TripleZero)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TripleZero @ Nov 7 2012, 09:08 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014085"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->People seem to miss the point of my thread, its not that i dislike the Infestation, i think it looks awesome.

    My suggestion was simply that they should adapt it, as in smaller blobs and less vision obscuring so everyone can use it without a disadvantage towards players with minimum infestation.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    I will agree with you. I love the way it looks but it blocks too much view so I turn it off to see better.
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  • yellow1346yellow1346 Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166590Members
    What is this new infestation? Can someone post a comparison screenshot?
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  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2014197:date=Nov 7 2012, 11:30 AM:name=yellow1346)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yellow1346 @ Nov 7 2012, 11:30 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014197"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What is this new infestation? Can someone post a comparison screenshot?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Old (flat textures that got applied over entire room steadily):

    <img src="http://i.imgur.com/Juk2A.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />


    New (actual growth that moves around and forms clumps):

    <img src="http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/113/112874/auto/New_NS2_Infestation_800x500.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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  • MadrawnMadrawn Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166535Members
    Just give someone obscured by the infestation (that would be visual without it) a blue outline or something...
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  • TripleZeroTripleZero Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167764Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2012
    some more screenshots which show the problematic.

    <img src="http://imageshack.us/a/img204/7720/ns22012110721025808.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    <img src="http://imageshack.us/a/img688/1701/ns22012110721024520.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    <img src="http://imageshack.us/a/img22/8430/ns22012110721022792.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    <img src="http://imageshack.us/a/img803/1285/ns22012110721023674.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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  • TyphonTyphon Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1899Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2013562:date=Nov 6 2012, 11:03 PM:name=PsympleJester)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PsympleJester @ Nov 6 2012, 11:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2013562"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It quite commonly entirely covers cysts as well xD<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, that can be annoying. Trying to figure out why infestation isn't receding in an area and can't find the cyst hidden in the blobs.
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