Mod content freezes game

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  • [R8]DJBourgeoisie[R8]DJBourgeoisie Join Date: 2007-09-05 Member: 62176Members
    I'd like to know if this is going to be fixed in the next update.
  • MCMLXXXIVMCMLXXXIV Join Date: 2010-04-14 Member: 71400Members
    edited October 2012
    Ok I have tried the following steps to address this with no success so far. As far as I know this should be removing all my local configuration data so I think it may be related to something else?

    <ol type='1'><li>Remove the workshop folder</li><li>Remove the Natural Selection 2 folder from %AppData%\Roaming</li><li>Disable Steam Cloud sync</li><li>Uninstall Natural Selection 2</li><li>Remove the Natural Selection 2 folder from steamapps\common</li><li>Restart my computer</li><li>Install Natural Selection 2 from scratch</li><li>Check that Steam Cloud is still disabled</li><li>Check that all the mods the server is running are subscribed in the workshop.</li><li>Launch Natural Selection 2</li><li>Set my graphics settings back (obviously all my old settings are now gone)</li><li>Verify that the files successfully downloaded and now all show in the mod list</li><li>Enable the mods and restart</li><li>Connect to the server.</li><li>**Hangs**</li></ol>

    I have also tried the following steps with no luck:
    <ul><li>Reinstall DirectX</li><li>Reinstall C++ runtime files</li><li>Reinstall PhysX</li></ul>

    I literally can't think of anything else in my local configuration that could be causing this behaviour - can anyone else provide any guidance? Also a word on whether anyone in the dev/playtest group knows whether this is going to be fixed in 222 would really put my mind at ease - I can't play the game or do any mod development at the moment!
  • CamronCamron Join Date: 2011-01-06 Member: 76356Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1985630:date=Oct 1 2012, 11:41 AM:name=Magneto)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Magneto @ Oct 1 2012, 11:41 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1985630"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've also been having this problem for a while now, how do you clear cache and workshop files and go back to a clean state without reinstalling? if everything verifys ok then that shouldn't be the cause, probably some existing mod files or steam thats to blame.

    Edit: i was trying to use <a href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx" target="_blank">process monitor</a> to see if anything stood out with ns2.exe or steam.exe (use filtering), perhaps someone with more knowledge can track down the problem?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Any tips on how I could try to reproduce this bug? It hasn't ever happened to me. I mess with the binaries a lot in a debugger so I could probably track down the problem (if I can trigger it).
  • MagnetoMagneto Join Date: 2010-12-22 Member: 75856Members
    No idea sorry, i don't know enough, i was mainly trying to find out what config or cache files they might be using so i could have a look and clear them if need be.
  • coldsmokecoldsmoke Join Date: 2004-07-28 Member: 30202Members
    my game freezezs at downloading mods too
  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    We're still trying to track this one down. Max is going to put in some logging information into the next build to see if we can get more info.
  • Cat-PokerCat-Poker Join Date: 2012-08-28 Member: 156670Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1986284:date=Oct 2 2012, 03:34 PM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flayra @ Oct 2 2012, 03:34 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1986284"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We're still trying to track this one down. Max is going to put in some logging information into the next build to see if we can get more info.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Thanks for the reply Flayra. I asked the question today in the Q&A and the Brians semm to at least know about the issue.

    Right now I can only connect to server that do not have mods installed.
  • MCMLXXXIVMCMLXXXIV Join Date: 2010-04-14 Member: 71400Members
    I also tried one more thing without success: Running NS2.exe as Administrator.

    A quick canvas: is anyone getting this issue who *isn't* using Windows 7 64-bit?

    In the dev chat today Brian (#1 I think?) mentioned that there are quite a few fixes for the workshop coming in the next build - it's quite likely this will be fixed in build 222.
  • MaxMax Technical Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment Join Date: 2002-03-15 Member: 318Super Administrators, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=1986297:date=Oct 2 2012, 02:21 PM:name=MCMLXXXIV)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MCMLXXXIV @ Oct 2 2012, 02:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1986297"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In the dev chat today Brian (#1 I think?) mentioned that there are quite a few fixes for the workshop coming in the next build - it's quite likely this will be fixed in build 222.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    We don't have a fix for this yet because we don't know what causes it and haven't been able to reproduce it. If you are having this problem, can you post your log file in this thread?
  • [R8]DJBourgeoisie[R8]DJBourgeoisie Join Date: 2007-09-05 Member: 62176Members
    edited October 2012
    @Max Which log file from what directory?

    *edit

    From the log in my workshop dir

    Date: 10/02/12
    Time: 18:48:57
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 221
    Steam initialized
    Render Device: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 (8.17.13.142)
    Sound Device: Headphones (Realtek High Definition Audio) stereo
    Record Device: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
    Mounting mod from C:/Users/Jason/AppData/Roaming/Natural Selection 2/Workshop/m5f7771c_1349074003
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Connecting to server 206.225.83.18:27017
    Temporarily subscribing to mods
    Downloading mods


    NS2.exe stops responding as soon as it goes to "downloading mods". I have sat here a good 5 minutes just to make sure it was not doing anything to be sure. I have done all the prevously suggested steps of deleting workshop folder and restarting. I have even uninstalled steam and redownloaded NS2 just to try and get this working. If there is anything else I can do to help or try let me know.


    Also, I can no longer make a local server since this build came out where I was always able to before. Here is a log of me attempting to do that.

    Date: 10/02/12
    Time: 18:58:30
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 221
    Steam initialized
    Render Device: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 (8.17.13.142)
    Sound Device: Headphones (Realtek High Definition Audio) stereo
    Record Device: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
    Mounting mod from C:/Users/Jason/AppData/Roaming/Natural Selection 2/Workshop/m5f7771c_1349074003
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Connected to Steam servers
    Connecting to server 127.0.0.1:27015
    Client connecting (127.0.0.1)
    Loading config://ServerConfig.json
    Loading config://ServerAdmin.json
    Loading config://BannedPlayers.json
    Loading config://MapCycle.json
    Loading config://ConsistencyConfig.json
    Hashed 1 game_setup.xml files for consistency
    Hashed 638 *.lua files for consistency
    Hashed 31 *.fx files for consistency
    Hashed 13 *.screenfx files for consistency
    Hashed 83 *.surface_shader files for consistency
    Hashed 5 *.fxh files for consistency
    Hashed 2 *.render_setup files for consistency
    Hashed 3 *.shader_template files for consistency
    Loading 'maps/ns2_veil.level'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'materials/refining/refining_decal_danger_01.material'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'materials/refining/refining_decal_danger_01.material'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'materials/refining/refining_decal_danger_01.material'
    Error: Couldn't open file ''
    Finished loading 'maps/ns2_veil.level'
  • RyneRyne Join Date: 2012-02-25 Member: 147408Members, NS2 Map Tester
    Guys, try running NS2.exe as administrator. Fixed someone elses problem
  • Cat-PokerCat-Poker Join Date: 2012-08-28 Member: 156670Members
    edited October 2012
    Date: 10/02/12
    Time: 18:56:05
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 221
    Steam initialized
    Render Device: NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT (9.18.13.623)
    Sound Device: Speakers / Headphones (SigmaTel High Definition Audio CODEC) stereo
    Record Device: Microphone Array (SigmaTel High Definition Audio CODEC)
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Connecting to server 74.117.239.162:27015
    Temporarily subscribing to mods
    Downloading mods

    EDIT: Specs:
    Windows Vista SP2 32 bit
    Intel Core Duo T9300 @ 2.50 GHz
    Ram: 4.0 GB

    EDIT #2:
    <!--quoteo(post=1986340:date=Oct 2 2012, 06:06 PM:name=Ryne)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ryne @ Oct 2 2012, 06:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1986340"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Guys, try running NS2.exe as administrator. Fixed someone elses problem<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Tried this, didn't work.
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    edited October 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1986334:date=Oct 3 2012, 08:37 AM:name=[R8]DJBourgeoisie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ([R8]DJBourgeoisie @ Oct 3 2012, 08:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1986334"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    @Max Which log file from what directory?

    *edit

    From the log in my workshop dir

    Date: 10/02/12
    Time: 18:48:57
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 221
    Steam initialized
    Render Device: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 (8.17.13.142)
    Sound Device: Headphones (Realtek High Definition Audio) stereo
    Record Device: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
    Mounting mod from C:/Users/Jason/AppData/Roaming/Natural Selection 2/Workshop/m5f7771c_1349074003
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Connecting to server 206.225.83.18:27017
    Temporarily subscribing to mods
    Downloading mods


    NS2.exe stops responding as soon as it goes to "downloading mods". I have sat here a good 5 minutes just to make sure it was not doing anything to be sure. I have done all the prevously suggested steps of deleting workshop folder and restarting. I have even uninstalled steam and redownloaded NS2 just to try and get this working. If there is anything else I can do to help or try let me know.


    Also, I can no longer make a local server since this build came out where I was always able to before. Here is a log of me attempting to do that.

    Date: 10/02/12
    Time: 18:58:30
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 221
    Steam initialized
    Render Device: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 (8.17.13.142)
    Sound Device: Headphones (Realtek High Definition Audio) stereo
    Record Device: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
    Mounting mod from C:/Users/Jason/AppData/Roaming/Natural Selection 2/Workshop/m5f7771c_1349074003
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Connected to Steam servers
    Connecting to server 127.0.0.1:27015
    Client connecting (127.0.0.1)
    Loading config://ServerConfig.json
    Loading config://ServerAdmin.json
    Loading config://BannedPlayers.json
    Loading config://MapCycle.json
    Loading config://ConsistencyConfig.json
    Hashed 1 game_setup.xml files for consistency
    Hashed 638 *.lua files for consistency
    Hashed 31 *.fx files for consistency
    Hashed 13 *.screenfx files for consistency
    Hashed 83 *.surface_shader files for consistency
    Hashed 5 *.fxh files for consistency
    Hashed 2 *.render_setup files for consistency
    Hashed 3 *.shader_template files for consistency
    Loading 'maps/ns2_veil.level'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'materials/refining/refining_decal_danger_01.material'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'materials/refining/refining_decal_danger_01.material'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'materials/refining/refining_decal_danger_01.material'
    Error: Couldn't open file ''
    Finished loading 'maps/ns2_veil.level'<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    I'm having both of these crashes, my logs stop at the same point.

    (Windows 7, x64)
  • [R8]DJBourgeoisie[R8]DJBourgeoisie Join Date: 2007-09-05 Member: 62176Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1986340:date=Oct 3 2012, 12:06 AM:name=Ryne)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ryne @ Oct 3 2012, 12:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1986340"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Guys, try running NS2.exe as administrator. Fixed someone elses problem<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Already tried does not solve the problem.
  • [AwE]Sentinel[AwE]Sentinel Join Date: 2012-06-05 Member: 152949Members
    edited October 2012
    @MCMLXXXIV :

    I am using Vista 32-bit.


    Thats the last log I have, the rest is like DJs post. It is checking and loading and when the game finished loading the map, it just freezes:

    Date: 09/30/12
    Time: 18:15:20
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 221
    Steam initialized
    Removing old version of mod '46f035a'
    Removing old version of mod '470c56b'
    Removing old version of mod '470c56b'
    Removing old version of mod '470c56b'
    Removing old version of mod '4862631'
    Removing old version of mod '4862631'
    Removing old version of mod '4862631'
    Removing old version of mod '4862631'
    Removing old version of mod '4862631'
    Removing old version of mod '4862631'
    Removing old version of mod '4862631'
    Removing old version of mod '4862631'
    Removing old version of mod '486cef9'
    Removing old version of mod '486cef9'
    Removing old version of mod '48b5d39'
    Removing old version of mod '49cc732'
    Removing old version of mod '4b430cc'
    Removing old version of mod '4d13e8a'
    Removing old version of mod '4d13e8a'
    Removing old version of mod '4d13e8a'
    Removing old version of mod '4d13e8a'
    Removing old version of mod '4d13e8a'
    Removing old version of mod '4d13e8a'
    Removing old version of mod '4d13e8a'
    Removing old version of mod '512cfe4'
    Removing old version of mod '546deef'
    Removing old version of mod '546deef'
    Render Device: ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series (8.17.10.1140)
    Sound Device: Lautsprecher (Realtek High Definition Audio) stereo
    Record Device: Mikrofon (4- USB Audio Device)
    Error: Couldn't mount 'C:/Users/Sentinel/AppData/Roaming/Natural Selection 2/Workshop/m4d22c77_4'
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Error: Attempted to load remote options from a file that does not exist.



    That means I can't play the game next build? That would make !7! in a row! I don't have to tell you how I feel about that ;)
  • SherwoodSherwood Join Date: 2012-09-04 Member: 157696Members
    I am having this problem almost everytime I try to join a server, same as others I have no workshop folder. An added note when I am forced to crash ns2 and restart it, upon restart I find there are no servers listed at all and no matter how many times I refresh I get nothing. I am forced to restart the game several times before it will list any servers at all.
  • RyneRyne Join Date: 2012-02-25 Member: 147408Members, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--quoteo(post=1986362:date=Oct 2 2012, 04:21 PM:name=Sherwood)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sherwood @ Oct 2 2012, 04:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1986362"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I am having this problem almost everytime I try to join a server, same as others I have no workshop folder. An added note when I am forced to crash ns2 and restart it, upon restart I find there are no servers listed at all and no matter how many times I refresh I get nothing. I am forced to restart the game several times before it will list any servers at all.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Run NS2.exe as administrator, see if it fixes the problem.

    It helped senate, but not others.
  • SintSint Join Date: 2007-01-09 Member: 59540Members, Squad Five Blue
    edited October 2012
    My NS2 normally works fine, but I happened to notice that if i disable 2 of my 4 CPU cores I get same problem, Connecting into game will freeze to downloading mods.. Both cores will be in 100% use. So after i enable third CPU core this problem disappears right away.

    Edit: Also same thing when 1 core enabled. Setting affinity to 1-2 cores doesn't seem to have any effect if system has more than 2 cores enabled. Seems to be related to dual/single core processors.
  • supsusupsu Join Date: 2012-04-24 Member: 151023Members, Squad Five Blue
    It seems that this has to do something with only having two cores. Anyone here having more than two cores in their cpu?
  • [R8]DJBourgeoisie[R8]DJBourgeoisie Join Date: 2007-09-05 Member: 62176Members
    Maybe it is worth mentioning im on a dual core processor.
  • Cat-PokerCat-Poker Join Date: 2012-08-28 Member: 156670Members
    I think maybe this thread needs to be consolidated. Max is taking your log files in <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=121538&view=findpost&p=1986320" target="_blank">this thread here</a> so be sure to post your log files for UWE to have a look at.
  • SarjuukSarjuuk Join Date: 2012-08-20 Member: 155933Members
    while trying to create a lan game:
    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain' style='height:200px;white-space:pre;overflow:auto'>Date: 10/01/12
    Time: 20:58:57
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 221
    Steam initialized
    Render Device: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT (9.18.13.623)
    Sound Device: Lautsprecher (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio) stereo
    Record Device: Mikrofon (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Connected to Steam servers
    Connecting to server 127.0.0.1:27015
    Client connecting (127.0.0.1)
    Loading config://ServerConfig.json
    Loading config://ServerAdmin.json
    Loading config://BannedPlayers.json
    Loading config://MapCycle.json
    Loading config://ConsistencyConfig.json
    Hashed 1 game_setup.xml files for consistency
    Hashed 638 *.lua files for consistency
    Hashed 31 *.fx files for consistency
    Hashed 13 *.screenfx files for consistency
    Hashed 83 *.surface_shader files for consistency
    Hashed 5 *.fxh files for consistency
    Hashed 2 *.render_setup files for consistency
    Hashed 3 *.shader_template files for consistency
    Loading 'maps/ns2_veil.level'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'materials/refining/refining_decal_danger_01.material'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'materials/refining/refining_decal_danger_01.material'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'materials/refining/refining_decal_danger_01.material'
    Error: Couldn't open file ''
    Finished loading 'maps/ns2_veil.level'</div>

    OS is Win7 Prof. 32bit
    Also i'm using an Intel Core2Duo, but that would be weired, if thats the reason.
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1986375:date=Oct 3 2012, 10:55 AM:name=Cat-Poker)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cat-Poker @ Oct 3 2012, 10:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1986375"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think maybe this thread needs to be consolidated. Max is taking your log files in <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=121538&view=findpost&p=1986320" target="_blank">this thread here</a> so be sure to post your log files for UWE to have a look at.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Good idea. I have now merged these two main threads on this topic.
  • SherwoodSherwood Join Date: 2012-09-04 Member: 157696Members
    edited October 2012
    Yes i have already tried running the game as admin, I generally do that anyway as a standard because ventrillo won't work with a lot of games unless they are both at admin level status.

    I am also on a Core 2 duo btw. Still have not fixed the problem it started today and I have not been able to join a server yet.


    On a somewhat more serious note then just us nerd raging over not being able to play beta. This kind of bug will put a serious hamper on the release of the game if it's not fixed. I know and understand this is beta so I expect bugs like this. But retail customers don't have the patience as beta testers do, this bug needs to get figured out and solved before retail release.

    Managed to get into a server with no mods after restarting my computer, the "downloading mods" never came up. The only real change I made was instead of deleteing the workshop folder because I never had one. I made a folder in the location where the workshop folder was supposed to be and named it workshop. Maybe the problem is some kind of conflict with windows not allowing NS the ability to make the folder.
  • KurrineKurrine Join Date: 2010-07-03 Member: 72235Members
    edited October 2012
    <!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->Date: 10/02/12
    Time: 22:10:44
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 221
    Steam initialized
    Render Device: ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series (8.17.10.1132)
    Sound Device: Speakers (High Definition Audio Device) stereo
    Record Device: Microphone (USB Headphone Set)
    Mounting mod from C:/Users/Kurrine Zuhal/AppData/Roaming/Natural Selection 2/Workshop/m5f7771c_1349074003
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Connecting to server 74.117.239.164:27015
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Connecting to server 74.117.239.163:27015
    Temporarily subscribing to mods
    Downloading mods<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->
    <!--coloro:#aadd00--><span style="color:#aadd00"><!--/coloro-->Intel Core 2 Duo
    Radeon HD 5770
    Edit: Likely this log isn't helpful, but it's interesting to see it essentially dead stops when it hits downloading, no errors at all. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
  • MCMLXXXIVMCMLXXXIV Join Date: 2010-04-14 Member: 71400Members
    edited October 2012
    I also have two cores. That seems to be a consistent theme here. Perhaps there's a threading issue?
    I'll see if it's possible to generate a .plog - maybe we can see where the code is spending its time during the freeze.

    Edit: I ran p_logall at the menu prior to joining a server and causing the freeze. For some reason, nothing has been logged to the plog file, at the end of closing NS2 it's just empty (maybe it doesn't start logging until you join a game or never gets around to flushing the output stream?)

    Edit #2: For Max: I could try and run a debugger over NS2.exe to find which function the game is sitting in, but I need the debug symbols to get anything meaningful out of it. As it is, I can probably get the memory addresses of the functions the game is looping over most often but they may not be at fixed locations in virtual memory...
  • stickybootstickyboot Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25711Members, Constellation
    I am getting this issue and I run a core2duo.
  • [AwE]Sentinel[AwE]Sentinel Join Date: 2012-06-05 Member: 152949Members
    Yes, dual core as well (E8600).
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    edited October 2012
    I also have a dual core
  • MagnetoMagneto Join Date: 2010-12-22 Member: 75856Members
    Dual core here as well...
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