<!--quoteo(post=1939017:date=May 26 2012, 08:12 AM:name=DarkATi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DarkATi @ May 26 2012, 08:12 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939017"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Meh. I like AMD a lot. I'd very much like to go with an FX-8150 for this build... who knows, I still may. The problem is, I see a lot of real world benchmarks that put the 2500k well over the FX-8150. At the same time, certain reviews show the FX-8150 and the i5 2500k neck and neck. example: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kd4dvLJQP4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kd4dvLJQP4</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It highly depends on how well the application/benchmark uses multicore. When taking raw power into consideration, the FX8150 is better then the i5 2500, however, if you talk about raw power/core, the i5 2500 wins. As I've explained earlier, NS2 uses multiple cores poorly and you'll want as much power on a single core as you can get. As a result, i5 2500 is better for NS2. And it will most lilkely stay like this unless the capability of NS2 to use multiple cores is largely improved.
For example, looking at pass mark I get these values for the processors: Core i5-2500: 6740 FX-8150: 8257
If we devide that though the amount of cores it is Core i5-2500: 1685/Core FX-8150: 1032/Core
(Also on a side note, Intel Chipset + Intel Processor is usally more expensive if you want to thet the same featureset like an AMD Chipset + AMD Processor.)
Oh and on the motherboard thing, it seems that Z77 only supports one PCI-E 16x slot. For 2, you'd need X79. As for the 2x SATA3, the Z77 (and X79) chipset only support 2 SATA3 slots and 4 SATA2 slots. If you want more, you probably need a mainboard with another controller for extra SATA3 slots or get a SATA3 expansion card.
You can also take a look at the specs here: Z77 Chipset: <a href="http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/performance-chipsets/z77-express-chipset.html?wapkw=z77" target="_blank">http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi....html?wapkw=z77</a> X79 Chipset: <a href="http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/performance-chipsets/x79-express-chipset-brief.html" target="_blank">http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...pset-brief.html</a>
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As for the 2x SATA3, the Z77 (and X79) chipset only support 2 SATA3 slots and 4 SATA2 slots. If you want more, you probably need a mainboard with another controller for extra SATA3 slots or get a SATA3 expansion card.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have a Sabertooth Z77 and I have 4 of each. (just checked the manual to confirm it even, maybe I'm magic or I'm blind and it says somewhere in the manual that I have a spare controller)
On another note, the i5 2500k is the better choice of those. The Bulldozer chipset for AMD has kind of been a bust (often referred to as faildozer). They were meant to directly challenge the Sandy Bridge and have honestly failed on every benchmark except ones that take their 8core capability into account. The single core architecture on the Intel chips is just too stellar. In terms of gaming a lot of benchs had even their last generation of Phenom II's beating the flagship bulldozer. So unless you plan on taking advantage of the number of cores (rendering etc) I would stick with the Sandy for now until AMD releases its next line.
I personally came from a Phenom II X6 1100T BE to a 3750k ivy bridge and I saw a near 25% increase in performance. The current generation (and certainly the sandy generation) are amazing CPUs. I personally hope AMD's CPU brings some serious competition but the Bulldozers unfortunately just don't have it.
<!--quoteo(post=1939022:date=May 26 2012, 02:55 AM:name=Obraxis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Obraxis @ May 26 2012, 02:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939022"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Virtually all the people running AMD CPUs have complained about poor framerates. The few playtesters who run AMD chips have significantly less FPS compared to their Intel counterparts. If you can afford Intel, go Intel. Fanboy or no, it's about performance for your money and AMD are just not up there.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Like I said I'm getting the same performance as [Major Ironhorse McMuffin] and his i5 2500k with my Phenom II 955. So I'm considering the, 'virtually everyone' is mainly low-end Sempron/Athlon/Phenom models or performance-problems a number of builds ago... or Ironhorse is playing at 2560x1600 or higher which would be awesome to see (Though I have a 27" myself.)
I highly doubt a newer-gen i5 will be leaps and bounds better than the older Phenom IIs; even when the game is 'fully' optimized. I'm not saying the i5/i7s don't perform better in other games but remember the team wants NS2 to run on the low-l-iest of PCs (in this generation.)
<!--quoteo(post=1939056:date=May 26 2012, 04:33 PM:name=Industry)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Industry @ May 26 2012, 04:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939056"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have a Sabertooth Z77 and I have 4 of each. (just checked the manual to confirm it even, maybe I'm magic or I'm blind and it says somewhere in the manual that I have a spare controller)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, I quickly checked the webpage and your Sabertooth has an extra controller (ASMedia® ASM1061 )that supports 2x SATA3 and 2x eSATA3 sockets, so plus the 2 Intel ones that makes 4 in total :P
I'm using an ASRock P67 ProSE, and it worked fine until some static electricity fried all the USB ports. Covered under warranty, the new board works fine.
Something I didn't know when I did my build with an SSD for my Win 7 OS was that you definitely want to have the Intel Rapid Storage driver installed and use the AHCI controller in BIOS (your mileage may vary though, if you want to use IDE drives). Install your SSD on the SATA_1 port, not SATA_0 (my first two ports are SATA III, the other four are SATA II). For some reason, on the SATA_0 port, the SSD was showing up in PIO mode without DMA. Moved to SATA_1, with the RApid Storage Driver, this has disappeared and I'm not getting random hangs and BSODs any more. Google this symptom and you'll find many people have reported this problem.
Oh - I'm using an Intel i5 2400 @ 3.3 Ghz (haven't worked on overclocking it yet), NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti, 8GB RAM, and I get around 30-40 fps on average (it does fluctuate, dipping lower in the mid- to end-game).
<!--quoteo(post=1939022:date=May 26 2012, 01:55 AM:name=Obraxis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Obraxis @ May 26 2012, 01:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939022"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Virtually all the people running AMD CPUs have complained about poor framerates. The few playtesters who run AMD chips have significantly less FPS compared to their Intel counterparts. If you can afford Intel, go Intel. Fanboy or no, it's about performance for your money and AMD are just not up there.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
not since 2010 a cheap g630 beats nearly every AMD cpu out and its 64$ Also I am running a very high overclock on my 990x I have had it up to 5.2ghz best bang for your buck right now is a 2500k overclocked on a 19$ hyper 212 cooler this setup is 218$ shipped and will net 4.5ghz+ Asrock z68 gen3 pro3 is a very good mobo for 105$~ for overclocking I would run the samsung cl11 8gb ram kit as well it can OC to around 2000mhz with cl9 timings with low voltages
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<!--quoteo(post=1939187:date=May 26 2012, 06:27 PM:name=Cee Colon Slash)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cee Colon Slash @ May 26 2012, 06:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939187"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh - I'm using an Intel i5 2400 @ 3.3 Ghz (haven't worked on overclocking it yet), NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti, 8GB RAM, and I get around 30-40 fps on average (it does fluctuate, dipping lower in the mid- to end-game).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You do know that you can't really OC an i5 2400 (its got a locked multiplier).
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<!--quoteo(post=1939215:date=May 27 2012, 06:26 AM:name=ScardyBob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ScardyBob @ May 27 2012, 06:26 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939215"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You do know that you can't really OC an i5 2400 (its got a locked multiplier).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You can set the turbo multipliers to the maximum and also play around with BCLK (~ +5MHz maybe), but that's kinda dangerous.
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<!--quoteo(post=1939234:date=May 26 2012, 11:54 PM:name=Dghelneshi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dghelneshi @ May 26 2012, 11:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939234"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You can set the turbo multipliers to the maximum and also play around with BCLK (~ +5MHz maybe), but that's kinda dangerous.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I suppose if you want to risk screwing up your system, you can play around with the BCLK to try to reach 4.0GHz. Frankly, if he wants to OC, he really needs to swap his CPU out for a K-series chip (2500k or 3570k imo).
I'm building a new gaming rig next month, because I can't stand 20 FPS on "Ridiculously Awful" anymore with my AMD 5000+ Dual Core. Does anyone have benchmarks for NS2 using either an i5 2500k or an FX-8150?
Here's some other info on my build:
GPU: Geforce GTX 480 1.5GB HDD: 120GB Mushkin Chronos SSD RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600 G.Skill Ripjaws X PSU: 850 Watt Continuous OS: Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit
What kind of FPS can I expect with this new build? What are your benchmarks and PC specs? I'd really love to see some FX-8150 benchmarks on NS2. Anyone have this chip?
Cheers, Cody<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hi dude,
I've got almost the same PC, although i have x2 560GTi and 32 GB of RAM.
early game i run around with 80-90 FPS.
Late game i run around with 50-60FPS.
I also have an SSD card, which i have purposely for OS/NS2.
I've got almost the same PC, although i have x2 560GTi and 32 GB of RAM.
early game i run around with 80-90 FPS.
Late game i run around with 50-60FPS.
I also have an SSD card, which i have purposely for OS/NS2.
I also have my 2500K clocked to 4.7GHz<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The equipment that you're talking about costs about $2000 to $3000 together and is most definitely not similar to the specs in the OP. I'm not sure if that's really helpful to anyone here.
<!--quoteo(post=1939373:date=May 27 2012, 04:23 PM:name=World Construct)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (World Construct @ May 27 2012, 04:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939373"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The equipment that you're talking about costs about $2000 to $3000 together and is most definitely not similar to the specs in the OP. I'm not sure if that's really helpful to anyone here.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Most hardware components (at least the ones he mentioned) aren't close to hitting the $2000 mark. Needing to spend more than $1500 nowadays is difficult unless you're going all high-end... or buy one of Intel's $999+ processors.
Although it's not important to the OP who already has more than 3/4 of his rig purchased and probably built together.
<!--quoteo(post=1939388:date=May 27 2012, 06:32 PM:name=Banzai¥)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Banzai¥ @ May 27 2012, 06:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939388"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Most hardware components (at least the ones he mentioned) aren't close to hitting the $2000 mark. Needing to spend more than $1500 nowadays is difficult unless you're going all high-end... or buy one of Intel's $999+ processors.
Although it's not important to the OP who already has more than 3/4 of his rig purchased and probably built together.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Everything he mentioned that isn't in the OP adds up to well over a thousand dollars, American. Depending on the SSD card, it very well could shoot up past $2500. Look up what an SSD card (interface is PCI-E, not SATA or SAS) usually costs (<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120%20600038515&IsNodeId=1&name=PCI%20Express" target="_blank">Newegg</a> and <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120%20600171532&IsNodeId=1&name=PCI-Express%202.0%20x4" target="_blank">Newegg</a>). There are a few models which are simply expensive, and then there are models that are leaps and bounds more expensive than SSD drives.
And, yes, a simple read-through of the two pages of the thread would have told him that the OP already has most of his components. And an extra 24 GB of RAM and two newer generation video cards would net you wildly different performance in most things.
<!--quoteo(post=1939397:date=May 27 2012, 05:17 PM:name=World Construct)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (World Construct @ May 27 2012, 05:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939397"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Everything he mentioned that isn't in the OP adds up to well over a thousand dollars, American. Depending on the SSD card, it very well could shoot up past $2500. Look up what an SSD card (interface is PCI-E, not SATA or SAS) usually costs (<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120%20600038515&IsNodeId=1&name=PCI%20Express" target="_blank">Newegg</a> and <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120%20600171532&IsNodeId=1&name=PCI-Express%202.0%20x4" target="_blank">Newegg</a>). There are a few models which are simply expensive, and then there are models that are leaps and bounds more expensive than SSD drives.
And, yes, a simple read-through of the two pages of the thread would have told him that the OP already has most of his components. And an extra 24 GB of RAM and two newer generation video cards would net you wildly different performance in most things.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
His rig sounds very similar to mine. We are both running SSDs. The only difference is that he is running two 560s instead of my GTX 480 (+ about $250) and he has way more RAM (+ about $150). That makes his build only $400 more expensive than mine. My build is going to cost about $1100. So, his rig (depending upon when and where he bought his parts) is probably about a $1,500 rig.
EDIT: How did you figure that his additions added up to $1,000 or more than my build?
<!--quoteo(post=1939429:date=May 27 2012, 11:12 PM:name=DarkATi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DarkATi @ May 27 2012, 11:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939429"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->His rig sounds very similar to mine. We are both running SSDs. The only difference is that he is running two 560s instead of my GTX 480 (+ about $250) and he has way more RAM (+ about $150). That makes his build only $400 more expensive than mine. My build is going to cost about $1100. So, his rig (depending upon when and where he bought his parts) is probably about a $1,500 rig.
EDIT: How did you figure that his additions added up to $1,000 or more than my build?
Cheers, Cody<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Are you going to read my post and click on the resources that I provided or not? I concede that his system could be utilizing one of the smaller, cheaper PCI-E cards. That would put the cost around where you placed it. However, an SSD card is an unusual piece of hardware and there is no telling what he meant when he said that he had one without listing any particular model. Regardless of price, an SSD connected to the PCI-E interface yields entirely different performance than an SSD hooked up to an SATA port.
<!--quoteo(post=1939438:date=May 27 2012, 11:40 PM:name=World Construct)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (World Construct @ May 27 2012, 11:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939438"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Are you going to read my post and click on the resources that I provided or not? I concede that his system could be utilizing one of the smaller, cheaper PCI-E cards. That would put the cost around where you placed it. However, an SSD card is an unusual piece of hardware and there is no telling what he meant when he said that he had one without listing any particular model. Regardless of price, an SSD connected to the PCI-E interface yields entirely different performance than an SSD hooked up to an SATA port.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you just searched for the highest priced models you could find and assumed it's through PCI-E; what was your overall point then? <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100011689&isNodeId=1&Description=vertex+3&x=0&y=0" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....amp;x=0&y=0</a>
<!--quoteo(post=1939441:date=May 28 2012, 01:00 AM:name=Banzai¥)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Banzai¥ @ May 28 2012, 01:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939441"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So you just searched for the highest priced models you could find and assumed it's through PCI-E; what was your overall point then? <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100011689&isNodeId=1&Description=vertex+3&x=0&y=0" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....amp;x=0&y=0</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Those are solid state drives with an SATA interface. Out of nowhere in this thread is a guy with an SSD, and I quote, "card". An SSD card is an SSD card. There is a full range of prices and they could be expensive or super expensive. I'm not trying to purposely misinterpret him saying "drive"; he called his drive a card. I assume that this means he has a PCI-E card. This is not a large logical jump I am making.
My point, first and foremost, is that the OP has already purchased most of his hardware save the processor. Secondly, the specifications that bungle offers are wildly different than what the OP is posting, and it is disingenuous to say otherwise.
Thirdly? I said it very nicely:<!--quoteo(post=1939373:date=May 27 2012, 05:23 PM:name=World Construct)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (World Construct @ May 27 2012, 05:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939373"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The equipment that you're talking about costs about $2000 to $3000 together and is most definitely not similar to the specs in the OP. I'm not sure if that's really helpful to anyone here.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> My points have been clear and consistent throughout my last three posts.
<!--quoteo(post=1939443:date=May 28 2012, 12:05 AM:name=World Construct)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (World Construct @ May 28 2012, 12:05 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939443"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Those are solid state drives with an SATA interface. Out of nowhere in this thread is a guy with an SSD, and I quote, "card". An SSD card is an SSD card. There is a full range of prices and they could be expensive or super expensive. I'm not trying to purposely misinterpret him saying "drive"; he called his drive a card. I assume that this means he has a PCI-E card. This is not a large logical jump I am making.
My point, first and foremost, is that the OP has already purchased most of his hardware save the processor. Secondly, the specifications that bungle offers are wildly different than what the OP is posting, and it is disingenuous to say otherwise.
Thirdly? I said it very nicely: My points have been clear and consistent throughout my last three posts.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey man, it's no big deal. I'm not trying to start any kind of argument. When bungle said he "also" had an "SSD Card", I took that to mean that he (like me) also has a SATA SSD, but he certainly could have meant that he had a higher end SSD PCIe card. Depending on the size of that "card", his rig could cost a lot more money than my own. True.
At the same time, without knowing the brand and capacity of his "SSD", compared to my own, we can't say with any degree of certainty exactly how expensive his rig is compared to the one I am building. Either way, as the OP, I found his input helpful, and I also appreciate yours. :)
<!--quoteo(post=1939485:date=May 28 2012, 07:36 AM:name=Wilson)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wilson @ May 28 2012, 07:36 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939485"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't see why it matters much. An SSD card isn't going to get you much better performance in ns2. Neither is 32gb of ram.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I wouldn't think so either. The difference between a PCIe SSD and a SATA SSD might be evident in load times, however. That's the whole reason I got an SSD. I am going to run my operating system and games from it, and store everything else on some old plate drives. I've heard that SSDs really speed up game load times!
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<!--quoteo(post=1939540:date=May 28 2012, 11:29 AM:name=DarkATi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DarkATi @ May 28 2012, 11:29 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939540"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No, I wouldn't think so either. The difference between a PCIe SSD and a SATA SSD might be evident in load times, however. That's the whole reason I got an SSD. I am going to run my operating system and games from it, and store everything else on some old plate drives. I've heard that SSDs really speed up game load times!
Cheers, Cody<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> It certainly can, but I doubt you'll see that much improvement in NS2. At best, you might get a faster NS2 startup time and less hitching in-game.
<!--quoteo(post=1939599:date=May 28 2012, 03:13 PM:name=ScardyBob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ScardyBob @ May 28 2012, 03:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939599"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It certainly can, but I doubt you'll see that much improvement in NS2. At best, you might get a faster NS2 startup time and less hitching in-game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Youre correct. I have an SSD and it loads the game in a flash. Like you say though, you wont see any improvement in terms of FPS.
<!--coloro:#FFFF00--><span style="color:#FFFF00"><!--/coloro--><b><!--sizeo:4--><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->Thank you to everyone for all your input.
I just submitted my order on Newegg. I went a little crazy and ordered an i7 2600k. I know I'll be satisfied with this choice.
<!--quoteo(post=1939674:date=May 29 2012, 12:47 AM:name=DJPenguin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DJPenguin @ May 29 2012, 12:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939674"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->grats on the purchase. hope you got an aftermarket cooler for it, the stock ones suck.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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It highly depends on how well the application/benchmark uses multicore. When taking raw power into consideration, the FX8150 is better then the i5 2500, however, if you talk about raw power/core, the i5 2500 wins. As I've explained earlier, NS2 uses multiple cores poorly and you'll want as much power on a single core as you can get. As a result, i5 2500 is better for NS2. And it will most lilkely stay like this unless the capability of NS2 to use multiple cores is largely improved.
For example, looking at pass mark I get these values for the processors:
Core i5-2500: 6740
FX-8150: 8257
If we devide that though the amount of cores it is
Core i5-2500: 1685/Core
FX-8150: 1032/Core
(Also on a side note, Intel Chipset + Intel Processor is usally more expensive if you want to thet the same featureset like an AMD Chipset + AMD Processor.)
Oh and on the motherboard thing, it seems that Z77 only supports one PCI-E 16x slot. For 2, you'd need X79.
As for the 2x SATA3, the Z77 (and X79) chipset only support 2 SATA3 slots and 4 SATA2 slots. If you want more, you probably need a mainboard with another controller for extra SATA3 slots or get a SATA3 expansion card.
You can also take a look at the specs here:
Z77 Chipset: <a href="http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/performance-chipsets/z77-express-chipset.html?wapkw=z77" target="_blank">http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi....html?wapkw=z77</a>
X79 Chipset: <a href="http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/performance-chipsets/x79-express-chipset-brief.html" target="_blank">http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chi...pset-brief.html</a>
I have a Sabertooth Z77 and I have 4 of each. (just checked the manual to confirm it even, maybe I'm magic or I'm blind and it says somewhere in the manual that I have a spare controller)
On another note, the i5 2500k is the better choice of those. The Bulldozer chipset for AMD has kind of been a bust (often referred to as faildozer). They were meant to directly challenge the Sandy Bridge and have honestly failed on every benchmark except ones that take their 8core capability into account. The single core architecture on the Intel chips is just too stellar. In terms of gaming a lot of benchs had even their last generation of Phenom II's beating the flagship bulldozer. So unless you plan on taking advantage of the number of cores (rendering etc) I would stick with the Sandy for now until AMD releases its next line.
I personally came from a Phenom II X6 1100T BE to a 3750k ivy bridge and I saw a near 25% increase in performance. The current generation (and certainly the sandy generation) are amazing CPUs. I personally hope AMD's CPU brings some serious competition but the Bulldozers unfortunately just don't have it.
Like I said I'm getting the same performance as [Major Ironhorse McMuffin] and his i5 2500k with my Phenom II 955. So I'm considering the, 'virtually everyone' is mainly low-end Sempron/Athlon/Phenom models or performance-problems a number of builds ago... or Ironhorse is playing at 2560x1600 or higher which would be awesome to see (Though I have a 27" myself.)
I highly doubt a newer-gen i5 will be leaps and bounds better than the older Phenom IIs; even when the game is 'fully' optimized. I'm not saying the i5/i7s don't perform better in other games but remember the team wants NS2 to run on the low-l-iest of PCs (in this generation.)
Yes, I quickly checked the webpage and your Sabertooth has an extra controller (ASMedia® ASM1061 )that supports 2x SATA3 and 2x eSATA3 sockets, so plus the 2 Intel ones that makes 4 in total :P
Something I didn't know when I did my build with an SSD for my Win 7 OS was that you definitely want to have the Intel Rapid Storage driver installed and use the AHCI controller in BIOS (your mileage may vary though, if you want to use IDE drives). Install your SSD on the SATA_1 port, not SATA_0 (my first two ports are SATA III, the other four are SATA II). For some reason, on the SATA_0 port, the SSD was showing up in PIO mode without DMA. Moved to SATA_1, with the RApid Storage Driver, this has disappeared and I'm not getting random hangs and BSODs any more. Google this symptom and you'll find many people have reported this problem.
Oh - I'm using an Intel i5 2400 @ 3.3 Ghz (haven't worked on overclocking it yet), NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti, 8GB RAM, and I get around 30-40 fps on average (it does fluctuate, dipping lower in the mid- to end-game).
not since 2010
a cheap g630 beats nearly every AMD cpu out and its 64$
Also I am running a very high overclock on my 990x I have had it up to 5.2ghz
best bang for your buck right now is a 2500k overclocked on a 19$ hyper 212 cooler
this setup is 218$ shipped and will net 4.5ghz+
Asrock z68 gen3 pro3 is a very good mobo for 105$~ for overclocking
I would run the samsung cl11 8gb ram kit as well it can OC to around 2000mhz with cl9 timings with low voltages
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You do know that you can't really OC an i5 2400 (its got a locked multiplier).
You can set the turbo multipliers to the maximum and also play around with BCLK (~ +5MHz maybe), but that's kinda dangerous.
I'm building a new gaming rig next month, because I can't stand 20 FPS on "Ridiculously Awful" anymore with my AMD 5000+ Dual Core. Does anyone have benchmarks for NS2 using either an i5 2500k or an FX-8150?
Here's some other info on my build:
GPU: Geforce GTX 480 1.5GB
HDD: 120GB Mushkin Chronos SSD
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600 G.Skill Ripjaws X
PSU: 850 Watt Continuous
OS: Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit
What kind of FPS can I expect with this new build? What are your benchmarks and PC specs? I'd really love to see some FX-8150 benchmarks on NS2. Anyone have this chip?
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hi dude,
I've got almost the same PC, although i have x2 560GTi and 32 GB of RAM.
early game i run around with 80-90 FPS.
Late game i run around with 50-60FPS.
I also have an SSD card, which i have purposely for OS/NS2.
I also have my 2500K clocked to 4.7GHz
I've got almost the same PC, although i have x2 560GTi and 32 GB of RAM.
early game i run around with 80-90 FPS.
Late game i run around with 50-60FPS.
I also have an SSD card, which i have purposely for OS/NS2.
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The equipment that you're talking about costs about $2000 to $3000 together and is most definitely not similar to the specs in the OP. I'm not sure if that's really helpful to anyone here.
Most hardware components (at least the ones he mentioned) aren't close to hitting the $2000 mark. Needing to spend more than $1500 nowadays is difficult unless you're going all high-end... or buy one of Intel's $999+ processors.
Although it's not important to the OP who already has more than 3/4 of his rig purchased and probably built together.
Although it's not important to the OP who already has more than 3/4 of his rig purchased and probably built together.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Everything he mentioned that isn't in the OP adds up to well over a thousand dollars, American. Depending on the SSD card, it very well could shoot up past $2500. Look up what an SSD card (interface is PCI-E, not SATA or SAS) usually costs (<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120%20600038515&IsNodeId=1&name=PCI%20Express" target="_blank">Newegg</a> and <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120%20600171532&IsNodeId=1&name=PCI-Express%202.0%20x4" target="_blank">Newegg</a>). There are a few models which are simply expensive, and then there are models that are leaps and bounds more expensive than SSD drives.
And, yes, a simple read-through of the two pages of the thread would have told him that the OP already has most of his components. And an extra 24 GB of RAM and two newer generation video cards would net you wildly different performance in most things.
And, yes, a simple read-through of the two pages of the thread would have told him that the OP already has most of his components. And an extra 24 GB of RAM and two newer generation video cards would net you wildly different performance in most things.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
His rig sounds very similar to mine. We are both running SSDs. The only difference is that he is running two 560s instead of my GTX 480 (+ about $250) and he has way more RAM (+ about $150). That makes his build only $400 more expensive than mine. My build is going to cost about $1100. So, his rig (depending upon when and where he bought his parts) is probably about a $1,500 rig.
EDIT: How did you figure that his additions added up to $1,000 or more than my build?
Cheers,
Cody
EDIT: How did you figure that his additions added up to $1,000 or more than my build?
Cheers,
Cody<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you going to read my post and click on the resources that I provided or not? I concede that his system could be utilizing one of the smaller, cheaper PCI-E cards. That would put the cost around where you placed it. However, an SSD card is an unusual piece of hardware and there is no telling what he meant when he said that he had one without listing any particular model. Regardless of price, an SSD connected to the PCI-E interface yields entirely different performance than an SSD hooked up to an SATA port.
So you just searched for the highest priced models you could find and assumed it's through PCI-E; what was your overall point then?
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Those are solid state drives with an SATA interface. Out of nowhere in this thread is a guy with an SSD, and I quote, "card". An SSD card is an SSD card. There is a full range of prices and they could be expensive or super expensive. I'm not trying to purposely misinterpret him saying "drive"; he called his drive a card. I assume that this means he has a PCI-E card. This is not a large logical jump I am making.
My point, first and foremost, is that the OP has already purchased most of his hardware save the processor. Secondly, the specifications that bungle offers are wildly different than what the OP is posting, and it is disingenuous to say otherwise.
Thirdly? I said it very nicely:<!--quoteo(post=1939373:date=May 27 2012, 05:23 PM:name=World Construct)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (World Construct @ May 27 2012, 05:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939373"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The equipment that you're talking about costs about $2000 to $3000 together and is most definitely not similar to the specs in the OP. I'm not sure if that's really helpful to anyone here.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My points have been clear and consistent throughout my last three posts.
My point, first and foremost, is that the OP has already purchased most of his hardware save the processor. Secondly, the specifications that bungle offers are wildly different than what the OP is posting, and it is disingenuous to say otherwise.
Thirdly? I said it very nicely:
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Hey man, it's no big deal. I'm not trying to start any kind of argument. When bungle said he "also" had an "SSD Card", I took that to mean that he (like me) also has a SATA SSD, but he certainly could have meant that he had a higher end SSD PCIe card. Depending on the size of that "card", his rig could cost a lot more money than my own. True.
At the same time, without knowing the brand and capacity of his "SSD", compared to my own, we can't say with any degree of certainty exactly how expensive his rig is compared to the one I am building. Either way, as the OP, I found his input helpful, and I also appreciate yours. :)
Cheers,
Cody
No, I wouldn't think so either. The difference between a PCIe SSD and a SATA SSD might be evident in load times, however. That's the whole reason I got an SSD. I am going to run my operating system and games from it, and store everything else on some old plate drives. I've heard that SSDs really speed up game load times!
Cheers,
Cody
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Cody<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It certainly can, but I doubt you'll see that much improvement in NS2. At best, you might get a faster NS2 startup time and less hitching in-game.
Youre correct. I have an SSD and it loads the game in a flash. Like you say though, you wont see any improvement in terms of FPS.
I just submitted my order on Newegg. I went a little crazy and ordered an i7 2600k. I know I'll be satisfied with this choice.
Again, thank you for all your input!
Cheers,
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Hyper 212+
;)
Cheers,
Cody
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Good choice on the cooler
You should be able to get a 4.5ghz OC on it no problem
Going from playing on a ###### pc to a good one makes quite a difference
It should last you a long time