Onos stomp
Skuggan
Join Date: 2010-03-19 Member: 71017Members
Join Date: 2010-03-19 Member: 71017Members
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Being able to dodge the stomp would help a little bit to the issue but it wouldn't be very ideal either. If we absolutely need to have this kind of disable abilities in the game then being able to dodge them would be great!
+1
+1 to op
You say skill, I say impressive equipment.
How about if you are crouched you don't get knocked over?
You could still argue timing, but I'd disagree with you
Make stomp's effect relative to distance from Onos.
I also agree that you should be able to dodge by jumping, it was quite fun to do. If the counter is too good you can always buff stomp a bit, like shorten the animation, the energy, the delay, whatever.
Make stomp's effect relative to distance from Onos.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm still kind of obsessed with the idea of onos actually being challenging adren management wise. How would it go if we combine the distance with a charge up stomp? The longer the charge up, the more adren cost, wider the stun AoE and more ability to stun over distance.
If this was changed it wasn't intentional. Initially the stomp was effecting jetpacking marines as well, which we certainly didn't want, and we lowered the height of the stomp effect area.
We want marine players to be able to dodge the stomp if they can time their jumps right, so we will look into this to see why it is no longer working this way.
--Cory
Interesting approach.
We want marine players to be able to dodge the stomp if they can time their jumps right, so we will look into this to see why it is no longer working this way.
--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If jetpack is active just make marines immune to stomp instead of fiddling with heights
Did you mean to say "can't"?
Because I was playing Onos last night and couldn't stomp marines on ramp. I was on the bottom and they were only a foot or two up the ramp and were unaffected.
We want marine players to be able to dodge the stomp if they can time their jumps right, so we will look into this to see why it is no longer working this way.
--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's cool, I didn't even know that was part of the plan. Nice!
Because I was playing Onos last night and couldn't stomp marines on ramp. I was on the bottom and they were only a foot or two up the ramp and were unaffected.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I definitely mean can. I've been stomped up ramps, on sizable crates, etc. People are also able to dodge my stomp by jumping but I haven't been able to since last patch. Sporadic, glitched, random, I don't know. I just know it's not consistent.
If you are little more then onos arms length away from a stomp, you should be knocked over and temporarily disabled. Onos can still run up to a marine clump and do a stomp to knock them all over. Just they wouldn't be able to do this from 40 feet away anymore, leaving some marines still on their feet while others with lost footing.
If you are 40 ft away, you should NOT be knocked to the floor. And it shouldn't work around corners either. If the range is that great, it should be a lesser effect such as decreased accuracy or weapon spread for a few seconds.
I've been caught at insane range with stomp and it seems very cheesy, right now. When I know their is a onos out on the map and we are pushing. I always hang back of the main group so that I can left standing and put fire on the onos when he knocks over five team members.
If you are little more then onos arms length away from a stomp, you should be knocked over and temporarily disabled. Onos can still run up to a marine clump and do a stomp to knock them all over. Just they wouldn't be able to do this from 40 feet away anymore, leaving some marines still on their feet while others with lost footing.
If you are 40 ft away, you should NOT be knocked to the floor. And it shouldn't work around corners either. If the range is that great, it should be a lesser effect such as decreased accuracy or weapon spread for a few seconds.
I've been caught at insane range with stomp and it seems very cheesy, right now. When I know their is a onos out on the map and we are pushing. I always hang back of the main group so that I can left standing and put fire on the onos when he knocks over five team members.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
+1
I got knocked down around a corner before and thought that was a little OP. Plus it seems that the radius is too wide as not only does the marine in front of you go down, but so do any others to the side of him and I don't mean their standing right next to each other either.
This is intentional for good reasons, previously some small bump on the ground would prevent a stomp. When this was fixed jet packers got hit. When that was fixed, and somewhere just after pax, a change was made that kept you from jumping over the stomp. I argued for it, as well as the unintentional "fake stomp" animation glitch the onos could do, which created a skillful meta game based on timings. It creates that "dance" of battle that every life form encounters which prevents that binary experience of insta kills. You only get another second or so at most of firing anyways, not to mention jumping roots you in your place temporarily making you vulnerable to others. But it was declared a glitch in the meantime until settled. Which I guess is now?
+1 To OP for bringing this up
+1 To OP for bringing this up<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think you realize how high you can be up on something and still get hit by Onos stomp. I don't mean like standing on a plank of wood I mean standing on a big crate at least 7 feet tall. There's nothing "skillfull" about killing someone who can't move or shoot.
What is this I dont even?.....
Hmm yea I've noticed, but then also consider the "gusty wind" effect looks as if it should go up a ramp like the one going to ore on tram, which it doesn't do very well anyways in the latest patch lol. Theres definitely room for improvement.
I think you misunderstood what exactly I considered to be skilful - not stomp itself but the timed counters
It takes away alot of the skill that was fighting the onos and the skill playing onos.
Things that removes skill is bad for the game in general according to me atleast.
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B..b..but if the game requires skill then how will all the Call of Duty players buy the game????
Better off leaving it so all you do is click the mouse and anything in the area, even on the ceiling, gets stomped. In fact, WIDEN the stomp radius.
<u><b>Also this notion that stomp should stop ARCS from firing and all marine tech including observatories and phase gates from working is INSANE </b></u>
<img src="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6636384/NS2/stomp.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
Picture is not to scale, but you get the idea. Stomp would generate two "hitboxes": one for knock down and the other slow down.
Knock down would affect marines not jumping up to half of stomps current range. Beyond that marines are slowed down. By jumping a marine can avoid the knock down except up close (probably going to die anyway). By jumping a marine can avoid must of the slow downs hit box.
Knock down would affect marines not jumping up to half of stomps current range. Beyond that marines are slowed down. By jumping a marine can avoid the knock down except up close (probably going to die anyway). By jumping a marine can avoid must of the slow downs hit box.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This would effectively double the amount of adrenaline and time required to do exactly what the Onos currently does. The first stomp would slow a group of marines, the second would knock them all down. I'm happy with this solution, if it satisfies everyone who thinks stomp is currently overpowered.
How would it work on structures in the red and yellow areas?
How would it work on structures in the red and yellow areas?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No thats not what I meant. This is all in one stomp. The one stomp has two effects depending on range (and height to account for jumping marines). I simply divided the two into geothermic ares in the picture as a visual aid. Its helps visualize how stomp's two effects (knock down/ slow down) work with range and jumping.