[196] (mature) whips grabbing/latching on to marines
Laosh'Ra
Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
<div class="IPBDescription">at foot, throat, ...</div>imagine the shock and desperation the first time a whip actually grabs you, not letting go! now i am not talking about lifting the marine from the ground or whatever, just some ability which will allow the whip to latch on to a marine, immobilizing him until the whip is destroyed (e.g. by the grabbed marine) or the marine is killed by hydras or other kharaa.
gameplay issues aside, would you like this concept?
gameplay issues aside, would you like this concept?
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Maybe the model could be made bigger. No crazy changes needed here tho, just tweak it alittle to make it look more threatening. Make it menacing from the first glance! Instead of "hey whats this cute little th.. *smack* hey wth did i just get ######slapped by a vegetable??!?"
What about jetpacks? Would be awesome to see a whip snag a jetpacker by its ankle and slam him down to the ground. :D
Perhaps "grab" would work for airborne units while units on the ground would instead be knocked back (literally) and suffer a short duration of concussion or something similar. Something like the onos knockback but less severe.
Though if the whip eventually will be able to whip around corners, there might be a better purpose for a grabbing ability with all the cool ideas in this thread.
Would the captured marine be able to hurt the whip? If not, then you could spent a lot of time waiting to die or be freed. What if there are no hydras or marines around?
If marines could hurt the whip while captured, then what is the gameplay effect? It slows the marines down.
On a side note, now that there's a falling over animation and effect from teh onos, the whips should knock you over.
Also, cloaked whips become interesting.
yes i think he should. otherwise it could be a major disadvantage to be trapped by a whip for a long time, up to the point where people would just type "kill" in console. it is also less drastic in terms of game balance if you can still defend yourself and probably more fun as you are actively fighting for your life.
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yes, i figure this is the main purpose of the defensive buildings: that you cannot just ignore them, you have to deal with them (which gives mobile kharaa a chance to intercept the marines before the start to axe the shells, hive, etc.). right now you get hit once or twice by a whip, then walk away or past it. from a player perspective, it seems to be more like an annoyance than a real threat because a whip rarely actually finishes you off.
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that seems a bit nasty considering how expensive a jetpack is. i think they should hold them in midair until fuel runs out, then they simply land like they normally would. still gives them some minor protection against hunrgy skulks waiting below.
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you found the perfect words for my thoughts. right now they are merely a good defense against grenades.
The sensation of fighting for your life as you are being drawn to your death gets me every time.
A bad implementation of the same idea is the smoker. This grabs hold of you and after 2 secs you lose the ability to shoot it. This leaves you reliant on team-mates, and in a game like NS2, they could all die at the same time you get caught.
Combining some of the ideas in this thread how about:
The whip slaps as normal.
Can be upgraded to grab (a choice either bombard or grab, or replace bombard whichever).
Grab pulls the marines towards the whip, marine still has weapons to shoot.
When marine is x distance from whip, he gets thrown, the throw causes a fixed amount of damage.
If whip is destroyed by marine he is dropped where he is with no throw damage.
Grab causes only minor/no damage.
Another option is to have it deal dps as dragging towards whip.
There are many viable solutions as to how this method could deal damage, so it should be fairly easy to balance in the long run.
THAT would be hilarious and awesome
I really like this idea. Marines are not supposed to be running solo anyway, and this would present both a viable use and threat from whips. As they are as a marine, I either just run past them or take the few seconds to gun it down.
With the removal of grenade defense, I fear whips will be put in the same class as shade hallucinations or echo shifts, fun to play with when you've won the game and rines are turtling. Just too much cost for too little benefit.
But seriously, a building with the ability to automatically immobilize players wouldn't be very funny for the victim.
if this is going to happen, maybe have it limited to a certain duration and/or (as i'd prefer) damage threshold as in: shoot the whip so it will let you go, also encouraging some teamplay similar to onos devour but obviously less drastic (victim can shoot back and is not being digested, plus the whip cannot run off).