Lasers

Tool8Tool8 Join Date: 2012-01-01 Member: 139405Members
edited February 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">make them blue/turquois</div>Hello everyone,

I'm not sure if this has been discussed already, so I'll just make a thread about it. I like the implementation of lasers on turrets and pistols, but I think they shouldn't be red, but <strike>blue/</strike>turquois instead, as this is the color of the marine team. Those red lasers look a little out of place for me. I think just like the color of that glow above the IPs when there's someone spawning would be perfect.
What do you think?

Edit: pretty much like this (found the pictures <a href="http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/third/bluedpss.htm" target="_blank">online</a>):

<img src="http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/third/bdpss5.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

<img src="http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/fifth/bdpss22.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

<img src="http://ledmuseum.jthz.com/fire.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<img src="http://ledmuseum.jthz.com/fire.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<img src="http://ledmuseum.jthz.com/fire.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Compare these to <a href="http://ns2.squarespace.com/marines/" target="_blank">Media -> Marines</a> on the game's homepage: There is one color to indicate a marine structure is actually online and working. It's not red.
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  • FloodinatorFloodinator [HBZ] Member Join Date: 2005-02-22 Member: 42087Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I agree on that. That pure red doesn't fit in the environment. It stands out to much. A violet or the TSA color would fit better.

    But that's just a taste and tastes are different.
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  • Tool8Tool8 Join Date: 2012-01-01 Member: 139405Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1901969:date=Feb 11 2012, 02:04 AM:name=Floodinator)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Floodinator @ Feb 11 2012, 02:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1901969"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I agree on that. That pure red doesn't fit in the environment. It stands out to much. A violet or the TSA color would fit better.

    But that's just a taste and tastes are different.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Of course it's a matter of taste, but I believe from an aesthetical perspective it makes sense to use a color that is already very present in many details of the game: The IPs, the texts for teamselection in the RR, the HUD, the holographic overlay on the marines' face and the lights on the helmet and chest, the effect when buildings get dropped, etc. Plus it is a great opportunity to give the game even more of a unique style and boosts its recognition value. That's why I favor turquois.
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  • fmponefmpone Join Date: 2011-07-05 Member: 108086Members, Squad Five Blue
    I originally thought red was way, way cooler, but I think I've reversed my opinion on that. Blue would probably look a lot better.
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  • LuKeLuKe Join Date: 2011-11-05 Member: 131316Members
    +1 to this.
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  • JuCCiJuCCi Join Date: 2011-08-08 Member: 114961Members, NS2 Map Tester
    keep the red just make in more transparent.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    logic says it should be green...
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  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    i think red is better, but the current implementation isn't very gritty. it's too clean. like in past NS trailers, the red laser had all sorts of particle effects obscuring it as it would look in a real room. this current implementation doesn't have any of that so it looks unnatural.
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  • internetexplorerinternetexplorer Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127255Members
    Red is how laser sights are stereotypically shown in movies/tv shows/games.
    It contrasts well with the majority of colours used on environments in NS2 (whereas blue does not - imagine trying to see a blue laser sweeping over the glowing rocks in "Cavern" on mineshaft, or over any powered-up computers on summit).

    I think red is a good colour for them.
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  • saltybp53saltybp53 Join Date: 2010-07-22 Member: 72675Members
    Just add a color wheel, some like red, some like blue, one likes green and stuff. Just no rainbows or something.
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  • FragmagnetFragmagnet Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72873Members
    edited February 2012
    making the player have the ability to choose the color of his/her laser would be pretty cool. Differentiate people etcetc

    But anything from light blue to blue-green would be fine.
    Most people don't realize that you can get blue laser pointers.

    Modern military shows a prominant use of green lasers over red lasers for visibility. And in a few decades I'm pretty sure Blue will be prominant over green.
    and then after another few decades they might move on to violet over blue.

    But yeah back to blue.
    Blue lasers seem futuristic.
    Pretty sure NS2 takes place in the future.
    It also gets bonus points for matching TSA theme

    Another thing people don't realize
    It's not a matter of color.
    It's a matter of the brightness.
    in order from dimmest to brightest
    red (dim), green(Bright), blue (Super bright), violet (Ridiculous)
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  • 1dominator11dominator1 Join Date: 2010-11-19 Member: 75011Members
    Technically speaking brightness has nothing to do with colour. Although our visual system sees yellow as the brightest for some reason I dont know. I think it should definitely stand out visually (at least on the sentries) as for player weps, let them change it to whatever they wish.
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  • Tool8Tool8 Join Date: 2012-01-01 Member: 139405Members
    edited February 2012
    Just to be clear, I'm not speaking about normal <b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue" target="_blank">blue</a></b> here, because it would not fit either in my opinion.
    I think it should be <b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turquoise_(color)#Turquoise_Blue" target="_blank">turquoise blue</a></b> just like all the marine tech and everything. Like the holographic overlay on the helmet of that female marine you can see on top of this page.

    Edit: There are some <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=111580&st=340&p=1899985&#entry1899985" target="_blank">nice screenshots in the Screenshot Gallery Thread</a> (they are <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showuser=143776" target="_blank">Pedro's</a>) that show what I mean by that turqouise overlay on the helmets. That's exactly the color.
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  • DeKayDeKay Join Date: 2009-06-08 Member: 67752Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1901997:date=Feb 11 2012, 03:44 AM:name=internetexplorer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (internetexplorer @ Feb 11 2012, 03:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1901997"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Red is how laser sights are stereotypically shown in movies/tv shows/games.
    It contrasts well with the majority of colours used on environments in NS2 (whereas blue does not - imagine trying to see a blue laser sweeping over the glowing rocks in "Cavern" on mineshaft, or over any powered-up computers on summit).

    I think red is a good colour for them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    +1

    Blue is everywhere, the lasers need to be visible.
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  • {LoC}Blue_Leader{LoC}Blue_Leader Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 144025Members, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2012
    I'd like to request a pink laser on my shotgun and the ability to customize the weapon with pictures of somebody I pulled of the internet. :)
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  • Tool8Tool8 Join Date: 2012-01-01 Member: 139405Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1902100:date=Feb 11 2012, 12:38 PM:name=DeKay)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DeKay @ Feb 11 2012, 12:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1902100"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Blue is everywhere, the lasers need to be visible.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Turquoise will <b>not</b> make the lasers less visible! Phase Gates are not so hard to spot too, even though they are not red, but turquoise actually.
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  • acid_rainacid_rain NS2 NAPT Mascot Austin, TX Join Date: 2010-02-16 Member: 70588Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--quoteo(post=1901997:date=Feb 10 2012, 10:44 PM:name=internetexplorer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (internetexplorer @ Feb 10 2012, 10:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1901997"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Red is how laser sights are stereotypically shown in movies/tv shows/games.
    It contrasts well with the majority of colours used on environments in NS2 (whereas blue does not - imagine trying to see a blue laser sweeping over the glowing rocks in "Cavern" on mineshaft, or over any powered-up computers on summit).

    I think red is a good colour for them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Red is a color at the end of the visible spectrum, which also means it's actually harder to see. As Kouji said, green is really the most "logic" color to go with, but for some people's association of lasers, green just isn't on the list of colors to choose from. The reason for this is from brain functionality of processing colors by importance. When you see green what comes to your mind, and when you see red? The differences there are huge, but if a color doesn't grab your attention by triggering such things naturally in your head, then your brain just passes it over as "whatever".

    I like green, personally, but you're still right that red might just have to be the color.
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  • Tool8Tool8 Join Date: 2012-01-01 Member: 139405Members
    edited February 2012
    I edited the opening post with pics so it's more obvious what I'd like to see :) I do not believe those would be harder to spot than red ones. But it would look really futuristic, match perfectly with the TSA theme, and they are unique but not confusing. I would love to know what the devs think about it :)

    Edit:
    I also just realized, that VALVe have done something similar in HL2 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9LPp2pCxOQ" target="_blank">with the turrets in the Overwatch Nexus</a>. (after 20 secs)
    Not exactly the same, they still differ a lot from what the lasers would look like in NS2, but you see there that scanning lasers don't always have to be red.
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  • ForssForss Join Date: 2011-10-30 Member: 130180Members
    edited February 2012
    The reason red laser pointer are the most common is because they are the cheapest to make (different material is needed to produce a different wavelength).

    How about it being blue/green when idle and flash red when you fire.
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  • ÒŗăNģёÒŗăNģё Join Date: 2012-02-09 Member: 144437Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    Whats the point of making it blue, it will just blend in with nearly every room. Red stands out red catches eyes red is a classic laser... I disagree with op!

    You can just mod it client side if you are that adamant about colors
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  • IeptBarakatIeptBarakat The most difficult name to speak ingame. Join Date: 2009-07-10 Member: 68107Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    I think red should be used for the pistol laser, but turrets would look really cool with blue/turquoise lasers.
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  • rhombusrhombus Lerk Queen Join Date: 2011-06-23 Member: 106055Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    edited February 2012
    Blue

    <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/2012021100002.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7769/2012021100002.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>

    Green

    <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/2012021100004u.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4900/2012021100004u.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>

    Pink

    <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/638/2012021100006.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/631/2012021100006.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>


    Rainbow

    <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/2012021100010.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/368/2012021100010.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>


    Just to give you guys an idea. I got fed up of making individual ones.. if you want to see all colors please visit the rainbow one.
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  • FragmagnetFragmagnet Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72873Members
    edited February 2012
    was gunna post an image but saba ninja'd image posts

    take the middle between the green and blue. THAT color.






    and his images are better anyway.
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  • SkymanderXSkymanderX Green Marine - The Few, The Proud, The Green. Join Date: 2011-07-29 Member: 113006Members
    well red stands out like you said. Blue flows better.
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  • HarimauHarimau Join Date: 2007-12-24 Member: 63250Members
    Rainbows ftw.
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  • Heroman117Heroman117 Join Date: 2010-07-28 Member: 73268Members
    It's absolutely crucial that we implement rainbow or pink lasers ASAP.
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  • FragmagnetFragmagnet Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72873Members
    <img src="http://i39.tinypic.com/1e6u5c.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    WHITE LASER GO
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  • blinblin Join Date: 2011-07-20 Member: 111290Members
    I have nothing against color - I am sure they will rework it later,

    BUT

    The laser beam on the pistol is very frustrating at the moment - you still is supposed to aim through the sight on the screen, and the beam is actually only for estethic purposes.

    I thought, in the beginning, that it would be implemented like in any other game (BF3), for instance, where you can actually aim through the laser beam, and it really helps, when here aiming with the laser will only bring frustration and death.

    Please, make it like in all other games. That would be really cool. At the moment I prefer not to use laser.
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  • Tool8Tool8 Join Date: 2012-01-01 Member: 139405Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1902220:date=Feb 12 2012, 03:57 AM:name=ÒŗăNģё)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ÒŗăNģё @ Feb 12 2012, 03:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1902220"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Whats the point of making it blue, it will just blend in with nearly every room.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I don't want it blue, but turquoise. I agree that blue like in the pictures by SabaHell (thank you for those, SabaHell) would blend too much in the rooms.

    Do you think, that the CC's turquoise login-screen blends too much into the environment or Phase Gates or any other Marine structure? I think that turquoise is quite an attention getter and that's probably why the devs introduced it in the first place.

    Even though I doubt, that turquoise would lower visibility it would be interesting to know if, by the devs, the lasers have ever been meant to warn aliens. Because honestly, I think, they are probably more for the effect than for gameplay purposes


    <!--quoteo(post=1902234:date=Feb 12 2012, 05:45 AM:name=Fragmagnet)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fragmagnet @ Feb 12 2012, 05:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1902234"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->take the middle between the green and blue. THAT color.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    this. not blue.

    PS: Rainbows are my second favorite ;D
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  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    edited February 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1901997:date=Feb 10 2012, 10:44 PM:name=internetexplorer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (internetexplorer @ Feb 10 2012, 10:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1901997"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Red is how laser sights are stereotypically shown in movies/tv shows/games.
    It contrasts well with the majority of colours used on environments in NS2 (whereas blue does not - imagine trying to see a blue laser sweeping over the glowing rocks in "Cavern" on mineshaft, or over any powered-up computers on summit).

    I think red is a good colour for them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    +1 Marines have too much blue already.
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  • ForssForss Join Date: 2011-10-30 Member: 130180Members
    I think the green laser looks most badass. How about adding some functionality to the lasers by making them change color if aimed at a enemy?
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