Refund possible?
dismal626
Join Date: 2011-09-04 Member: 119861Members
Join Date: 2011-09-04 Member: 119861Members
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They were pretty quick with the turn around time.
That's rather unfortunate. :(
Out of curiosity, how low is your FPS? The latest build (185) too a hard performance hit. A lot of players, including myself saw a 50% FPS drop. I'd hang around a few weeks longer, and wait for the performance to improve (it will).
If by then, you still find it unplayable, I have faith the developers will still gladly refund your preorder.
Intel Duel Core e5300 (that's a pentium duel core). or AMD phenom 2 x4 955
4GB of DDR2 ram at 800mhz
1GB graphics card: gtx 550 or HD 5770
If your computer is worse than that, you really won't get anything playable.
Here's my unofficial recommended recommended specs
Intel Core i5 2500 or AMD Phenom 2 x6 1090T
4GB of DDR3 Ram at 1333mhz (8GB doubly recommended)
1GB Graphics card HD 5850, 5870, 6950, 6970. or gtx 560 ti and up.
All in all, the only reason your fps would be so bad is you are running a really old core 2 duo or athlon system. Sorry about that. A $900 laptop could probably run the game on medium okay.
Out of curiosity, how low is your FPS? The latest build (185) too a hard performance hit. A lot of players, including myself saw a 50% FPS drop. I'd hang around a few weeks longer, and wait for the performance to improve (it will).
If by then, you still find it unplayable, I have faith the developers will still gladly refund your preorder.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd say its around the 10-20 range, and the strange thing is that it stays at that fps regardless of my graphic settings. Yeah, I wasn't planning on getting my money back right away, I just wanted to see if it was even possible first.
Intel Duel Core e5300 (that's a pentium duel core). or AMD phenom 2 x4 955
4GB of DDR2 ram at 800mhz
1GB graphics card: gtx 550 or HD 5770
If your computer is worse than that, you really won't get anything playable.
Here's my unofficial recommended recommended specs
Intel Core i5 2500 or AMD Phenom 2 x6 1090T
4GB of DDR3 Ram at 1333mhz (8GB doubly recommended)
1GB Graphics card HD 5850, 5870, 6950, 6970. or gtx 560 ti and up.
All in all, the only reason your fps would be so bad is you are running a really old core 2 duo or athlon system. Sorry about that. A $900 laptop could probably run the game on medium okay.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm pretty sure my specs are fine, there's just something weird going on with the optimization or something. I ran the Battlefield 3 Alpha smooth as butter, but I get horrible performance in this game regardless of how low or high the graphics are set. For those curious, I'm running a 460 gtx on a 2.5 core2 quad 4 gb of ram.
Yes, same, this FPS drop is a result of the latest patch 185 which was released the Friday before last. It will be fixed in an upcoming patch, hopefully this Friday.
The fact that your FPS is the same regardless of settings means it is not the graphics slowing you down, it's something else bottlenecking your system. The current issues seem to have your FPS tied to server tick for the greater part, hugely restricting performance. I advise waiting a bit as this game is insanely good.
NS2 is extremely taxing on the CPU at this stage. My 2.9GHz (3.2 OC'd) dual core Pentium is only getting 20-30 FPS this build. It used to be in the 30-50 range.
The CPU bottle neck is quite difficult to solve, as UWE is still adding a lot of new features. I wouldn't blame you if you don't want to wait another 2-6 months.
The fact that your FPS is the same regardless of settings means it is not the graphics slowing you down, it's something else bottlenecking your system. The current issues seem to have your FPS tied to server tick for the greater part, hugely restricting performance. I advise waiting a bit as this game is insanely good.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah, yes, that could be it then. The only servers I have played on(only ones populated) so far were Aussie servers and I live on the west coast of the US. I'll give it another go on US servers when I get the chance.
So nothing to worry about, i'm very sure it will all sort itself out in the next 1-2 patches.
So if i where you i would see how the next 1-2 patches develop before asking for a refund. After all, it is a beta, and in a beta where you have every 1-2 weeks a patch, there will be some patches that have bigger problems than others. You just happend to fall on the one with a big performance problem.
That beeing said, 185 is a really good patch if you can play on a lowping server, i would even say, the best patch yet.
Now, the last time I played (build 184), I was getting 70+.
So the game is up and down with performance, but mostly... it's going up.
UWE's Beta program is every other game companies Alpha program. They understand their situation and hopefully they focus more on creating a stable foundation before they overwhelm the game with features.
For example, Blizzards beta process and friends and family alpha program are all based on a stable, "near-release" platform. The beta process is meant to get feedback from the community on how to even out the mechanics and make the game as "fair" as possible. I feel like UWE is trying to do this exact thing prematurely, when the focus should be on creating a solid (paid) beta experience.
I've already created a thread on this and got a very biter response. So, I do not blame you for wanting a refund.
P.S. - I have a i7-2600k @ 4.8ghz (the best money can buy pretty much) and I don't even have a smooth experience...
You might want to wait on a new patch which gets us some FPS back perhaps, you can at any time ask for a refund if you so desire. However like most have already said build185 is a good "behind the scenes" patch, but due to the many fixes and changes it also lowered the server/client performance to some extend.
Coming from build184 and seeing the FPS tank like this is quite a disappointment for those spoiled by ~40FPS or higher, I for one welcome my new found brothers and sisters in >30FPs land :P
In the end it is of course your decision to make, but just keep all of the above (+above my post) in mind :)
I'm on the fence right now on whether to purchase NS2. I figure I'd put a reply here rather than making a new thread. Here are my specs:
AMD Phenom II X3 720 Processor 2.8 GHz
6.0 GB RAM (can't remember the type... this computer is ~3 years old)
ATI Radeon HD 4870
Would this be sufficient?
I have a couple of more quick questions that I couldn't find the answers to.
1. If I purchase the game now, can I play in the beta? I.E. Can I start playing right after purchasing or is the beta closed off?
2. Approximately how many servers/players are there currently?
Thanks!
I have a couple of more quick questions that I couldn't find the answers to.
1. If I purchase the game now, can I play in the beta? I.E. Can I start playing right after purchasing or is the beta closed off?
2. Approximately how many servers/players are there currently?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your system is not powerful enough to get a constant 30+fps ;(
You can play immediately.
There is only about 4 active servers. 2 in the US, 1 in France, 1 in Germany.
Save your money and wait my friend...
You can play immediately.
There is only about 4 active servers. 2 in the US, 1 in France, 1 in Germany.
Save your money and wait my friend...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Alright, thanks!
I'm on the fence right now on whether to purchase NS2. I figure I'd put a reply here rather than making a new thread. Here are my specs:
AMD Phenom II X3 720 Processor 2.8 GHz
6.0 GB RAM (can't remember the type... this computer is ~3 years old)
ATI Radeon HD 4870
Would this be sufficient?
I have a couple of more quick questions that I couldn't find the answers to.
1. If I purchase the game now, can I play in the beta? I.E. Can I start playing right after purchasing or is the beta closed off?
2. Approximately how many servers/players are there currently?
Thanks!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your frame-rate is mostly determined by the speed of a single core- in your case 2.8. My i7 950 @ 3.5GHz isn't fast enough to run the game smoothly as a point of reference.
thats abit of a fib, b ecause I have an I7 920 @ 2.67 and I run the game real smooth on full graphics.
I get in between 20-30FPs on a system quite similar to yours, but a little less powerful. However this rig of mine has stuff that is highly compatible with each other, meaning I can outperform similar rigs apparently as I've seen during loading times of certain games :P
Then I want to swap processors with you!
Ok but NS2 isn't really beta or alpha. Atleast for me it is a game that normally only devs will see normally.
They changed the collision code in this build and turned it to client side so your FPS is now also depending on your ping. Almost 100% of the players have had a hugh FPS drop in this build. As a tradeoff we have now a almost perfect balanced game and almost no more bugs.
The grafphic quality determinds how much GPU ram is used.
Like already mentioned you can try the r_xxxx commands. Some are "blocked" on some Servers ( f.e. HBZ) because it gives you a hughe advantage ingame.
Your PC can run NS2 atleast when it is 1.0. Atleast aslong as your Rig is better or equal to the average of the Steam users (<a href="http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey" target="_blank">http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey </a>)
A refund is AFAIK no problem like already mentioned.
Also, a big problem atm is with the occlusion system. For example, you may notice the start of a game will be very smooth but it progressively gets very bad. I have a 2.8ghz single core speed and it runs pretty smooth at start but after a while you can tell its trying to render nearly the whole map and performance slows down. The devs know about the occlusion problems and im sure its pretty high on their priority list.
I think it's more to do wit hthe ram than anything, it takes me a while to load into a server, but I think with the 12 gigs of ram I have it keeps pretty much everything in ram so it loads faster for better fps
Hard to believe even if there was a leak in ram it would only be matter of time it started to lag.
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As far as NS2 is concerned, it is 32-bit, therefor only able to address 3-4 GBs of RAM tops, so I don't see how having anything past say 4 GBs is going to be any improvement. If you're talking about the OS caching resources, I've only ever see NS2 go up to around 1,5 GBs of RAM-usage, so even with 'just' 4 GBs it doesn't have to unload anything when you're restarting\map-changing.
NS2 uses only about 1 - 1,5 cores, so a really fast single-core will top a quad-core easily. The more interesting question is, will that ever change? Lua is more of a single-threaded animal.
Speaking of that Guy with the phenom 2 720 or whatever, that system probably would get playable performance, and I don't care what other people say. a 4870 would handle the game on medium easy, maybe even push it to max in terms of graphics. And then the cpu would push 25+ fps on all maps.
Don't rage out at me if this isn't the case, but you aren't always necessarily buying the game for the ability to play it right now, you are buying the game to support UWE.