Umbra as counter to flame thrower
l3lessed
Join Date: 2010-06-07 Member: 71977Members
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So I was playing a game today, and I was commanding as aliens when a squad of marines, all with flamethrowers, rolled into one of my hives. Well as a natural instinct I detonated the umbra ability on all my crags. Then it clicked, Flamethrowers are completely untouch by anything including physical matter. Anyways, this gave me a thought. Umbra should hinder flamethrowers when they flame is in the umbra effect. It would put out all fires, stop the flamethrower from starting new ones, and reduce the spread and distance of the actual flamethrower. However, it wouldn't completely stop the flamethrower from shooting flames so marines can still defend themselves.
This would encourage more use of umbra, smarter placements of crags, and more teamwork.
This would encourage more use of umbra, smarter placements of crags, and more teamwork.
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I don't see that much of a problem with this.
In fact, I like it.
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+1
Especially good since burn right now can drag on forever nearly.. seriously they need to adjust those values or something.. it seems to be set to anywhere between 3 seconds and: "you're going to die no matter what unless you hump a crag and a hive at the same time."
This will make an umbra could give the aliens a few seconds to recover from a flame attack and ads some realism with the "oxygen being pushed away by bacteria effect"
I wish I had more to say, but, that's about it.
I'd like to see a counter for flamethrowers any day.
hopefully there will be a shotgun counter idea soon. (If there already is a counter ingame; please tell me, I keep getting one-popped all the time.)
+1
This would also apply to lerk umbra aswell im guessing. If so, this would also allow the devs to un-nerf the flame thrower a bit now that theres a hard counter to it. I find the FT way underpowered as it is now and not much fun to use, it could really use a reworking.
At present FTs are a game ender. If nothing else adjust the umbra healing so that a skulk in umbra of two crags could survive one FT until one ammo pack was depleted. I would like to see the lurk have spore left click, umbra right click with the umbra heal 50% of a crag. Let the FT burn away lurk spore.
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<!--quoteo(post=1845728:date=May 12 2011, 11:54 AM:name=Dank McShwagger)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dank McShwagger @ May 12 2011, 11:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1845728"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This would also apply to lerk umbra aswell im guessing. If so, this would also allow the devs to un-nerf the flame thrower a bit now that theres a hard counter to it. I find the FT way underpowered as it is now and not much fun to use, it could really use a reworking.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lerks don't have Umbra.
<!--quoteo(post=1845765:date=May 12 2011, 03:10 PM:name=1stToast)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1stToast @ May 12 2011, 03:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1845765"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Let the FT burn away lurk spore.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hell with that. Let Spore combust into flames when hit with an FT! This combined with the Crag Umbra idea would allow Flamethrowers to keep the punch they pack, but discourage their spam/overuse.
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A burst area heal would suit the crag alright, such as a much larger burst of healing within it's area for the cost of energy. That or just let them both have umbra, I'm a bit short on other ideas for their replacement in the event Lerk got umbra back.
More on topic to a degree: If this doesn't end up happening, I'd actually like to see the crag heal put out fires on it's own if the burning thing in question hasn't been hit with a flamethrower for a short while. So gorge doesn't have to play ineffective firefighter all day.
Just an alternate idea.
+1
Umbra from lerks, should they have this ability, could be slightly less effective.
There is a counter to shotguns, be more sneaky. I find skulks as the most effective class against shotguns even though they are the weakest class. They are small, and its easy to hide and ambush shotgunners. When the marine discovers you, the trick is to get the shotgunner completely miss his shot, by leaping to the wall or the ceiling. And then chomp on the marine. Celerity will help this aswell. Leap is a good counter to shotguns if the skulk is a good player. I also try to use the ceilings/walls when i know im gonna encounter a marine. Sometimes they simply dont notice you because you're high above their view.
Although i agree that the shotgun need a little tweak towards nerfing, not much but indeed a little. Right now it sometimes seem like a sniper. Spread of the shot could be wider, damage of bullets could be lower.
Shotguns is supposed to one-shot skulks on close quarters, so teamwork is also a huge deal as playing skulk. (attacking from multiple angles)
A burst area heal would suit the crag alright, such as a much larger burst of healing within it's area for the cost of energy. That or just let them both have umbra, I'm a bit short on other ideas for their replacement in the event Lerk got umbra back.
More on topic to a degree: If this doesn't end up happening, I'd actually like to see the crag heal put out fires on it's own if the burning thing in question hasn't been hit with a flamethrower for a short while. So gorge doesn't have to play ineffective firefighter all day.
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i like the crag idea. Allow the crag healing ability (you must be within its range) to put out the flames with its healing.
I just hope they give back umbra back to the lerks though, him being more a support class now, having umbra makes more sense. So either allowing lerks play better role with umbra, and umbra used to counter flamethrowers (which promotes more teamwork) or allow the crag to do this. Aliens need need to counter flamethrowers with something.
in this case, allow lerks umbra to be spammed but while it may not put out the flames it would reduce the damage of the flames. Or with crag idea, healing increased to aliens which are on fire.
I was thinking that as well, and it might actually be better. I just hope some of these ideas actually be used.
Then they all waste their energy and aren't attacking, a shotgunner hanging out in the flamer group could easily pick them off if there aren't some attacking too. They don't last forever and more using umbra in the same place isn't going to matter, it wouldn't stack, it didn't before as far as I recall.
Also, grenades, those aren't bothered by umbra at all.
I'd just want umbra to at least put out fires really and maybe prevent the burn for a while, it wouldn't need to stop a flamethrower for me to be okay with it.
Cooldowns.
Or a very high energy cost.
Also, grenades, those aren't bothered by umbra at all.
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you summed it up pretty well, and I couldn't agree more. it worked very well in ns1.
flamethrower is more of a support weapon if anything else, giving back lerks umbra to counter it would be perfect since umbra was the best support lerks had.