Hivesight - Make It Switchable

Stue · December 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">blocking the view too often</div> Ever crawled thru the vent to Cargo Bay Foyer (ns_nothing i guess) as an alien and then been surprised by a marine at the end of it? Well the your view has probably been blocked by the hivesight indicating there was a HIVE position right in front of you.

And this is not the only popular place where this occurs. I find it rather pathetic that aliens die because of their superior tool called hivesight.

The solution is simple: just make it switchable, like the flashlight.

Any comments?

Killymagee · December 2002

Yes i agree 100% , at the end of a game im trying to take out there last resouce nozzel and i can bearly aim at the fricken marines defending it cause there sooooo many damn blobes blocking my shots i cant even make out anything execpt circle blobs of yellow and white and red. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'>

Demerzel · December 2002

isn't it toggleable ( is that a word? ) by using r_drawviewmodel 1 -> r_drawviewmodel 0 ? maybe i'm getting confused.

i find worse than that is when the daft commander goes mental with waypoint and distracts you by moving it constantly, very hard to concentrate with that happening. far easier to see through the hive site than the bloody big waypoint. plus it's quite a distraction to the peripheral vision when one of those gets plonked down at the corner of your eye. not a help when guarding something.

Doombringer · December 2002

the drawviewmodel will be locked to 1 (on) in the next release and won't be able to be toggled

hivesight should be toggled with the flashlight key, like the description says. I guess something was changed after that text was written up?

Fina · December 2002

I made a HiveSight replacement pack that is much less view restricting then the default ones. Plus, it has never caused any problems with the 1.03 File check. I'll post if if you're interested.

LockNLoaded · December 2002

lets see that Fina. And i agree with a toggle key to on/off the blops on your screen.

obtw,release it in the editing forums.

Stue · December 2002

Well, at least the "blobs" shud not be 100% opaque. I guess 25% opaqueness (means 75% translucent) wud be enuff to SEE it but not be not able to SEE THRU it.

However, id prefer the switch-version.

Hellbilly · December 2002

I have a hivesight replacement which is much better to use. Don´t know if it is your´s, but they are yellow triangles with more narrow lines.

PJJ · December 2002

I'd just like to see the circles be really small, non existent, or translucent when the object it marks is being rendered in your view.

BlueGhost · December 2002

ARG!

If your going to lock drawviewmodel can you PLEASE tone down muzzle flash? I'm running low res and can't see a sodding thing when I open fire. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'>

BlueGhost

Align · December 2002

Thats for balancing purposes(you cheater), like skulk teeth.

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Dauntl3ss · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hellbilly™ @ Dec 12 2002, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I have a hivesight replacement which is much better to use. Don´t know if it is your´s, but they are yellow triangles with more narrow lines.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
can u make a screenie or attach it to a message? i would like to test it..

I would like the current to be more translucent to... 50% opacity orso..

elim · December 2002

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO r_drawviewmodel 0 is the best thing for skulks and LMG fire yet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'>, if they remove it ill be **obscenity** off, with a lot of obcenity obcenity obcenity obcenity in their <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'>

Thansal · December 2002

some stuff:

1) you can toggle hive sight with the Flight key, just happens to be the OTHER hive sight that lights up all aliens/structs (and marines with adv hive sight)

2) the yellow blobs are NOT drawn when the marines are in your sight, the cause of them to show up is lag (it thinks you still cant see em so they show up)

meh, thats all <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

edit, skulk teath and flash are inthere for game balance so I suggest you start playing with it on real quick before all of you zen poofs with the next patch

BlueGhost · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>edit, skulk teath and flash are inthere for game balance so I suggest you start playing with it on real quick before all of you zen poofs with the next patch
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Right, SO someone with a lowspec machine that can't handle high res should be completly unable to see anything when they open fire for 'balance' reasons?
While someone with a high spec machine who can have a rediculas res should not have a problem because of 'balance'......

Errrrr

Pardon?

As for turning off skulk teeth you can't see hive sight with em turned off so why'd you want to get rid of that?

Altho I suppose if you spam bite and have problems with seeing a 'strobed' view of the world it might be worth it.. Hmmm.

BlueGhost

Rough_Divide · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlueGhost @ Dec 12 2002, 04:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Altho I suppose if you spam bite...</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Spam bite? It's your primary attack to bite as a skulk, just like the lmg is for a marine. So basically, everytime you get into a fight, you get to run around blinded and flail madly around unless you don't want to attack, no matter your team. I do tend to complain now and then of having my eyes inside my mouth as a skulk, though.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'> - <i>"I can't see what's going on! I'm eating dinner! Where am I?!"</i>

hp_Sirius · December 2002

so waypoints don't block marine sight? whatever

Rabid_Llama · December 2002

I'd love to see a hivesight dot replacment pack, but a screenshot would be great first <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>
I tried to make mine smaller, but to no avail :\

Katsuro · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Dec 12 2002, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Thats for balancing purposes(you cheater), like skulk teeth.
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Dont be a cocknocker.

I still think the skulk bite blindness is stupid and the reason given for it is even stupider. The skulk bite should be changed, and the lmg flash toned down. Then it will still be balanced.

Snake13 · December 2002

News Flash: The muzzle flashes completely blocks my 1600x1200 view two, your res has nothing to do with it.

Enjoy your exploit while it lasts, 1.04 will get rid of it

BlueGhost · December 2002

Bizzare. They scale the muzzle flash up for the higer res? I shall test this with 600x800 if your right guess I'd better get used to not being able to see a thing..

Aha, I know the solution 'Commander can I have a shotgun!'

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BlueGhost · December 2002

For anyone who cares snake is correct and the muzzle flash DOES scale with res, the aiming cursor don't though..

So using r_drawviewmodel 0 is an exploit.

Ho hum no more seeing wtf I'm shooting then. Fireing bursts should help I suppose?

Not sure I really understand the devs reasoning behind eather putting the skulks eyes inside their mouth, OR having a muzzleflash + gun moddle that take up just over a quater of the screen. I mean what does it add other than that skulks should dodge forwards and left to run into the 'blind spot'. And marines should move around lots to evade the skulk who can easily 'lose his fix'.

Ho hum, their game their call.

BlueGhost

ViPr · December 2002

having the view blocked to create balance makes no sense to me. why can't they come up with something else to balance things which is more logical.

hmmm the marines seem too weak coz they always lose. ok, i know, let's give them noclip so they can walk through walls. that should balance the game out.

Katsuro · December 2002

Well thats bizarre? Im not using a custom flash and my muzzleflash is quite small at 1024x768. Maybe your computer is screwed up.

And dont be an arsehat! Stupid CS players who say everyone is a cheater.

Alex7 · December 2002

As a marine, the LMG muzzle flash alone turns me off to it. I always use my pistol as a primary weapon, and only use the LMG if the pistol is empty, or I'm doing demolition work against a stationary target. Unfortuately, this means I can't use mines or welders without compromising my combat abilities. If the cmdr tries to give me one of these, I give it to someone else and recover my pistol. Also, the inability to carry much ammo means I frequently beg the cmdr for extra ammo ($2 for the 10 round clip; not the most efficient way to spend money). I usually don't get it, so trips back to the armory for more pistol ammo is common.

As for the skulk bite, the only alternative with one hive, is gorge. If that isn't possible, I just grit, bear it, and get almost no kills, since I'm not very good at dealing with it.

Fina · December 2002

<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=10048&st=0&' target='_blank'>New Alien Hivesights</a>

Here you go, this is the topic where I posted them.

Hellbilly · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fina @ Dec 13 2002, 05:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=10048&st=0&' target='_blank'>New Alien Hivesights</a>

Here you go, this is the topic where I posted them.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Yeah, these are the ones i use. Pretty good IMO and i hope we will be able to use them after the next client patch.

Thanks for making them <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

othell · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Alex777 @ Dec 12 2002, 11:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>As a marine, the LMG muzzle flash alone turns me off to it. I always use my pistol as a primary weapon, and only use the LMG if the pistol is empty, or I'm doing demolition work against a stationary target. Unfortuately, this means I can't use mines or welders without compromising my combat abilities. If the cmdr tries to give me one of these, I give it to someone else and recover my pistol. Also, the inability to carry much ammo means I frequently beg the cmdr for extra ammo ($2 for the 10 round clip; not the most efficient way to spend money). I usually don't get it, so trips back to the armory for more pistol ammo is common.

As for the skulk bite, the only alternative with one hive, is gorge. If that isn't possible, I just grit, bear it, and get almost no kills, since I'm not very good at dealing with it.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Please don't ever play on my team if I'm a commander... or even just a marine for that matter. Totally ruins the idea of working as a team if you will just disregard what the commander gives you to use.

Learn to fight with the muzzle flash guys. It is not that hard.

Hellbilly · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (othell @ Dec 13 2002, 08:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Learn to fight with the muzzle flash guys. It is not that hard.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Or the Skulk teeth for that matter.......

I don´t understand why people turn it off. I tried it and it sucks and i do much better with the model on. Just learn to use it.

Kids these days.......pfft.

Alex7 · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (othell @ Dec 13 2002, 03:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Alex777 @ Dec 12 2002, 11:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>As a marine, the LMG muzzle flash alone turns me off to it. I always use my pistol as a primary weapon, and only use the LMG if the pistol is empty, or I'm doing demolition work against a stationary target. Unfortuately, this means I can't use mines or welders without compromising my combat abilities. If the cmdr tries to give me one of these, I give it to someone else and recover my pistol. Also, the inability to carry much ammo means I frequently beg the cmdr for extra ammo ($2 for the 10 round clip; not the most efficient way to spend money). I usually don't get it, so trips back to the armory for more pistol ammo is common.

As for the skulk bite, the only alternative with one hive, is gorge. If that isn't possible, I just grit, bear it, and get almost no kills, since I'm not very good at dealing with it.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Please don't ever play on my team if I'm a commander... or even just a marine for that matter. Totally ruins the idea of working as a team if you will just disregard what the commander gives you to use.

Learn to fight with the muzzle flash guys. It is not that hard.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Err, I was referring to the LMG vs pistol affair. I have no problem with shotguns, HMGs or GLs. As long as the LMG isn't the only gun I have, I'm happy.

Rokiyo · December 2002

If I was your commander and I specifically gave you a welder only to have it thrown away and picked up by somebody else I would be kinda annoyed...

But if I was just throwing welders randomly down for people and you didn't pick one up I probably wouldn't even notice.

Hivesight - Make It Switchable

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