<!--quoteo(post=1816169:date=Dec 15 2010, 11:01 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Dec 15 2010, 11:01 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816169"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You're still haven't posted them yet...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I posted what he had asked too. edit:OPPs brb LOL! forgot something!
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
Toshiba Satellite L455-S5009 is the complete modelname? Had to look it up as you neglected to post one of the more important parts, the 3dcard. Fact is you can't really call the thing in your laptop a 3dcard...
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M
I can tell you now, most games can't run on your computer. The celeron CPU/memory combo it uses doesn't help either...
Processor Intel® Celeron® CPU 900 @ 2.20GHz, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
DirectX 11<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the intel celeron is slow. your game will run choppy. if you can't run sc2, you wont be able to run ns2, and that means your comp needs updating, cuz i have a friend who managed to get sc2 running and he was using integrated graphics...
Processor Intel® Celeron® CPU 900 @ 2.20GHz, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
DirectX 11
Name: Mobile Intel® 4 Series Express Chipset Family
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Chip Type: Mobile Intel® 4 Series Express Chipset Family
DAC Type: Internal
Approx total memory: 828 MB
Current Display Mode: 1366 x 768 (32 bit)(60Hz)
Monitor: Generic PnP Monitor
edit: lol i forgot some stuff...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
your answer is no. you could upgrade to the best of last year for under a grand. probably under 500. time to build a gaming desktop, you shouldn't game on laptops anyway, most of them have overheating issues.
Look at my other post, i have said that SC2 works great on my laptop [dont know why from what you are telling me] like i can play 1st person SC 2 custom game muti yet i dont have a lag problem and everyone else does. WTF?
That spec will struggle with most well optimised recent releases let alone a game in NS2's current stage of development. Although to say you need 60-120fps in games is just plain wrong, it depends on lots of factors such as the type of game, what types of post processing goes on, individual sensitivity to hitching & stutter, resolution and so on. For example games that make good use of motion blur such as Crysis can get away with lower framerates than games like counter-strike that have no post effects.
But to back to your original point - no, I would not think your laptop could play NS2.
<!--quoteo(post=1816181:date=Dec 15 2010, 11:17 AM:name=Rhodri)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rhodri @ Dec 15 2010, 11:17 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816181"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That spec will struggle with most well optimised recent releases let alone a game in NS2's current stage of development. Although to say you need 60-120fps in games is just plain wrong, it depends on lots of factors such as the type of game, what types of post processing goes on, individual sensitivity to hitching & stutter, resolution and so on. For example games that make good use of motion blur such as Crysis can get away with lower framerates than games like counter-strike that have no post effects.
But to back to your original point - no, I would not think your laptop could play NS2.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks. :[
At least not the beta, and the fault is the graphic card. With an ATI or nVidia card (above 8800M) I think you can, but not on an Intel.
Anyway, I know there are lots of people that use a notebook for playing, but I recommend a desktop fully personalized, if you need to upgrade is a lot easier.
Celeron is a budget-processor aimed at low-spec computers for a reasonable cost. Same with the intel GPU, it works okay when you're just rendering 2D (desktop usage), but dies when it comes to 3D. You should be happy SC2 even runs tbh.
<!--quoteo(post=1816184:date=Dec 15 2010, 11:24 AM:name=PaiSand)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PaiSand @ Dec 15 2010, 11:24 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816184"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->At least not the beta, and the fault is the graphic card. With an ATI or nVidia card (above 8800M) I think you can, but not on an Intel.
Anyway, I know there are lots of people that use a notebook for playing, but I recommend a desktop fully personalized, if you need to upgrade is a lot easier.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks. *evil thoughts* is there a way to buy that chip thing you are talking about and then replace the part in the laptop with it?
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
I doubt it has a free slot for an extension card like a mobile Radeon/Geforce. With that Intel 4500M (which is also using shared memory, leeching of the RAM) It is basically a media/office PC.
<!--quoteo(post=1816158:date=Dec 15 2010, 06:34 PM:name=chaosjones17)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chaosjones17 @ Dec 15 2010, 06:34 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816158"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thanks, you cant be a pro without arrogance its impossible.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> pro at what?
you talk about about 120FPS sitting on a LAPTOP DISPLAY, which furthermore has INTEL GRAPHICS.
get a proper gaming computer before whining about an unfinished game.
<!--quoteo(post=1816193:date=Dec 15 2010, 11:40 AM:name=weezl)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (weezl @ Dec 15 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816193"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->pro at what?
you talk about about 120FPS sitting on a LAPTOP DISPLAY, which furthermore has INTEL GRAPHICS.
get a proper gaming computer before whining about an unfinished game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry but i dont care what a "minge/troll" like you has to say. LOL!
<!--quoteo(post=1816186:date=Dec 15 2010, 07:28 PM:name=chaosjones17)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chaosjones17 @ Dec 15 2010, 07:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816186"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thanks. *evil thoughts* is there a way to buy that chip thing you are talking about and then replace the part in the laptop with it?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, the GPU is integrated into the motherboard and is next to impossible to replace (you would have to buy new custom-parts from a producer and solder them manually onto the motherboard, and guess what goes where.)
The only things you can (usually) replace on a laptop is the RAM, HDD & battery. So im afraid the only option you have is to buy a stationary computer for your videogaming needs.
<!--quoteo(post=1816197:date=Dec 15 2010, 07:45 PM:name=chaosjones17)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chaosjones17 @ Dec 15 2010, 07:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816197"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sorry but i dont care what a "minge/troll" like you has to say. LOL!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually he's presenting you proper facts. Maybe you should read up on what a troll is, because so far you're the only one who's been trolling.
<!--quoteo(post=1816197:date=Dec 15 2010, 06:45 PM:name=chaosjones17)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chaosjones17 @ Dec 15 2010, 06:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816197"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sorry but i dont care what a "minge/troll" like you has to say. LOL!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think a laptop would be able to display 120fps, most monitors have a 60-70hz refresh rate, which means they can only display a maximum of 60-70fps. 60 is also about the best the human eye can see. It comes across as perfectly smooth.
In comparison TV usually runs at about 30fps, or 25 if you're in europe, PAL format is 25fps while NSTC is basically 30. Video encoding and capturing footage from real life however will smooth that out by blurring every frame slightly. So you don't notice it much with TVs, unless you wave your hand in front of the screen, in which case the slow refresh rate will make its sillhouette seem to teleport around.
So 60 is good for games, 120 is needed if you want to run a game at 60fps in 3d, because the glasses flicker to show only every other frame to each eye. 120hz monitors are quite expensive however, and I don't imagine many laptops would come with them, and you wouldn't be able to see it if it did.
<!--quoteo(post=1816204:date=Dec 15 2010, 11:56 AM:name=Chris0132)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chris0132 @ Dec 15 2010, 11:56 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816204"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think a laptop would be able to display 120fps, most monitors have a 60-70hz refresh rate, which means they can only display a maximum of 60-70fps. 60 is also about the best the human eye can see. It comes across as perfectly smooth.
In comparison TV usually runs at about 30fps, or 25 if you're in europe, PAL format is 25fps while NSTC is basically 30. Video encoding and capturing footage from real life however will smooth that out by blurring every frame slightly. So you don't notice it much with TVs, unless you wave your hand in front of the screen, in which case the slow refresh rate will make its sillhouette seem to teleport around.
So 60 is good for games, 120 is needed if you want to run a game at 60fps in 3d, because the glasses flicker to show only every other frame to each eye. 120hz monitors are quite expensive however, and I don't imagine many laptops would come with them, and you wouldn't be able to see it if it did.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know a few tricks to make a laptop work better, now twiggeh does too. LOL! [dont you dare tell them]
<!--quoteo(post=1816206:date=Dec 15 2010, 11:59 AM:name=Tig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tig @ Dec 15 2010, 11:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816206"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->if he was a troll, he wouldn't still be responding on page 3.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks.
<!--quoteo(post=1816208:date=Dec 15 2010, 02:04 PM:name=chaosjones17)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chaosjones17 @ Dec 15 2010, 02:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816208"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I said troll/minge Du...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> i dont know what a minge is, im american. is that like a taint or a grundle?
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=1816209:date=Dec 15 2010, 07:05 PM:name=Tig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tig @ Dec 15 2010, 07:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816209"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i dont know what a minge is, im american. is that like a taint or a grundle?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not quite :P
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System Manufacturer: TOSHIBA
System model: Satellite L455
BIOS: Ver 1.00PARTTBL
Processor Intel® Celeron® CPU 900 @ 2.20GHz, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
DirectX 11
[edit]yeah, you ninja-posted, I was reading the thread and thought... Why hasn't he posted the specs yet :P
I posted what he had asked too. edit:OPPs brb LOL! forgot something!
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M
I can tell you now, most games can't run on your computer. The celeron CPU/memory combo it uses doesn't help either...
System Manufacturer: TOSHIBA
System model: Satellite L455
BIOS: Ver 1.00PARTTBL
Processor Intel® Celeron® CPU 900 @ 2.20GHz, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
DirectX 11<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the intel celeron is slow. your game will run choppy. if you can't run sc2, you wont be able to run ns2, and that means your comp needs updating, cuz i have a friend who managed to get sc2 running and he was using integrated graphics...
System Manufacturer: TOSHIBA
System model: Satellite L455
BIOS: Ver 1.00PARTTBL
Processor Intel® Celeron® CPU 900 @ 2.20GHz, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
DirectX 11
Name: Mobile Intel® 4 Series Express Chipset Family
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Chip Type: Mobile Intel® 4 Series Express Chipset Family
DAC Type: Internal
Approx total memory: 828 MB
Current Display Mode: 1366 x 768 (32 bit)(60Hz)
Monitor: Generic PnP Monitor
edit: lol i forgot some stuff... edit:[i was slow cuz i could not copy paste sorry that sucked]
System Manufacturer: TOSHIBA
System model: Satellite L455
BIOS: Ver 1.00PARTTBL
Processor Intel® Celeron® CPU 900 @ 2.20GHz, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
DirectX 11
Name: Mobile Intel® 4 Series Express Chipset Family
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Chip Type: Mobile Intel® 4 Series Express Chipset Family
DAC Type: Internal
Approx total memory: 828 MB
Current Display Mode: 1366 x 768 (32 bit)(60Hz)
Monitor: Generic PnP Monitor
edit: lol i forgot some stuff...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
your answer is no. you could upgrade to the best of last year for under a grand. probably under 500. time to build a gaming desktop, you shouldn't game on laptops anyway, most of them have overheating issues.
most modern games benchmarks avg about 15fps
like i can play 1st person SC 2 custom game muti yet i dont have a lag problem and everyone else does. WTF?
But to back to your original point - no, I would not think your laptop could play NS2.
But to back to your original point - no, I would not think your laptop could play NS2.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks. :[
Anyway, I know there are lots of people that use a notebook for playing, but I recommend a desktop fully personalized, if you need to upgrade is a lot easier.
Celeron is a budget-processor aimed at low-spec computers for a reasonable cost.
Same with the intel GPU, it works okay when you're just rendering 2D (desktop usage), but dies when it comes to 3D.
You should be happy SC2 even runs tbh.
Anyway, I know there are lots of people that use a notebook for playing, but I recommend a desktop fully personalized, if you need to upgrade is a lot easier.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks. *evil thoughts* is there a way to buy that chip thing you are talking about and then replace the part in the laptop with it?
I'm actually amazed it can even run SC2...
pro at what?
you talk about about 120FPS sitting on a LAPTOP DISPLAY, which furthermore has INTEL GRAPHICS.
get a proper gaming computer before whining about an unfinished game.
you talk about about 120FPS sitting on a LAPTOP DISPLAY, which furthermore has INTEL GRAPHICS.
get a proper gaming computer before whining about an unfinished game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry but i dont care what a "minge/troll" like you has to say. LOL!
No, the GPU is integrated into the motherboard and is next to impossible to replace (you would have to buy new custom-parts from a producer and solder them manually onto the motherboard, and guess what goes where.)
The only things you can (usually) replace on a laptop is the RAM, HDD & battery.
So im afraid the only option you have is to buy a stationary computer for your videogaming needs.
<!--quoteo(post=1816197:date=Dec 15 2010, 07:45 PM:name=chaosjones17)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chaosjones17 @ Dec 15 2010, 07:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816197"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sorry but i dont care what a "minge/troll" like you has to say. LOL!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually he's presenting you proper facts. Maybe you should read up on what a troll is, because so far you're the only one who's been trolling.
Actually a smooth framerate is fairly essential for being able to play online multiplayer.
hehe, aint i the hypocrite now :P
I don't think a laptop would be able to display 120fps, most monitors have a 60-70hz refresh rate, which means they can only display a maximum of 60-70fps. 60 is also about the best the human eye can see. It comes across as perfectly smooth.
In comparison TV usually runs at about 30fps, or 25 if you're in europe, PAL format is 25fps while NSTC is basically 30. Video encoding and capturing footage from real life however will smooth that out by blurring every frame slightly. So you don't notice it much with TVs, unless you wave your hand in front of the screen, in which case the slow refresh rate will make its sillhouette seem to teleport around.
So 60 is good for games, 120 is needed if you want to run a game at 60fps in 3d, because the glasses flicker to show only every other frame to each eye. 120hz monitors are quite expensive however, and I don't imagine many laptops would come with them, and you wouldn't be able to see it if it did.
In comparison TV usually runs at about 30fps, or 25 if you're in europe, PAL format is 25fps while NSTC is basically 30. Video encoding and capturing footage from real life however will smooth that out by blurring every frame slightly. So you don't notice it much with TVs, unless you wave your hand in front of the screen, in which case the slow refresh rate will make its sillhouette seem to teleport around.
So 60 is good for games, 120 is needed if you want to run a game at 60fps in 3d, because the glasses flicker to show only every other frame to each eye. 120hz monitors are quite expensive however, and I don't imagine many laptops would come with them, and you wouldn't be able to see it if it did.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know a few tricks to make a laptop work better, now twiggeh does too. LOL! [dont you dare tell them]
Thanks.
i dont know what a minge is, im american. is that like a taint or a grundle?
Not quite :P
<a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/minge" target="_blank">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/minge</a>
GoogleFU!