If you color his eye yellow he looks a little bit scarier. But still there's some things that I don't like. I guess it has something to do with that the Fade overall looks old. The grey skin, eye sacks and bone armor over his eye that looks like a helmet definitely have an effect.
Btw I don't mean to insult the modeler or his art, it's awesome but I'm just trying to give ideas how to make it better.
Now just touch up the colors a little bit: <img src="http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090719020121/wowwiki/images/thumb/3/38/Shaleskin_Flayer.jpg/681px-Shaleskin_Flayer.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
But the glow effect alone would be satisfying, because i dont think they ll remake that much.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The glow, and just maybe the back hump/reduced head size (though it may just look bigger than it really is in the screenshot) to give it the distance profile from ns1, would definitely cover it. I don't think he needs a makeover though, the images were just to show people that the spirit is definitely there.
Liked the blade runner intro and almost everything on the trailer. The fade himself is wierd but at the same time i thought the same about the skulk and now i love it. Beta is great because this mean : speeding up the development time with new funds, allow long time fans but not alpha buyers to join.
<!--quoteo(post=1806431:date=Nov 19 2010, 12:02 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Nov 19 2010, 12:02 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1806431"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Low res skin? Even if you're basing this on the video or the screenshot in the OP, which would be silly. It looks pretty detailed to me...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im afraid it came out a bit wrong. No bashing intended. I shouldnt have based my statement on a video barely shot in HD with regards to the res. I meerly compared the lifeforms in the viewer and the video. And in my opinion it doesn't look like work from the same person.
Having worked in 3d Art business before I think it looks rushed.
The artwork is still missing, perhaps that could shed som light on it.
Kinda disapointed with the new Fade, looks like a Skulk and Lerk made love. Was expecting something more menacing, but I guess that's the Onos' place. Love the new blink effect, but the fade has a silly looking face, the body looks all out of proportion and strange, guess it looks very alien then. Love the look of the Gorge, Skulk, Lerk and Onos, but find the Fade to be 'meh'. Damn.
I can see the design choice on all the aliens though and I do like that, the aliens in NS2 all look like they've evolved from eachother, rather then each alien in NS1 looking like a different species from eachother, like the Hive had been sleeping around... ;)
Maybe it'll grow on me.
Nice video though, well animated.
I like what Mr. Epic did to the Fade, nice effort. :)
definitely not a low poly model but something seems off. texturing isn't very detailed, not much bump mapping on the skin? idk what's going on. And yeah, fade could use darker skin.
<!--quoteo(post=1806364:date=Nov 19 2010, 05:32 AM:name=MaLaKa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaLaKa @ Nov 19 2010, 05:32 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1806364"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Currently (dont shoot me) I think he looks pretty derpy. Like he blinked into the back of a bus one too many times.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I actually agree with this. While the gameplay of the Fade looks awesome, I don't like the model at all. Every other model has been fantastic up until now.
I think the new look is great. I agree he should have menacing yellow eyes like NS1 but that's about it. Both the color scheme and quadruped movement fit the alien theme a lot better than the NS1 Fade did.
I reckon purple eyes to match his blinking? But yellow "fits" too - I just don't want it to be a beacon for fade when it is hiding in the dark...
Perhaps, it doesn't glow, but can glint back like a cats eyes if a flash light goes across it? Also, perhaps there could be an upgrade for fade that allows it to absorb light - i.e. shadows darken the textures, but lights don't brighten it up; This could be a low level cloak effect, or transition to/from cloak effect?
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<!--quoteo(post=1806558:date=Nov 19 2010, 03:11 PM:name=SynthNine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SynthNine @ Nov 19 2010, 03:11 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1806558"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Here's Mr.Epic's edit with a better eye with glow. I also added a tiny bit of white in the center of the eye.
<img src="http://filesmelt.com/dl/fadeeditglow.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> +1 now thats a fade!
The new Fade looks good. Too good. That's the problem. The Fade needs to look grotesque. It needs to look strange and out of this world. The old Fade model accomplished this. This new Fade looks like a cross between a bear and a wolf. It doesn't fit its character.
<!--quoteo(post=1806558:date=Nov 19 2010, 01:11 AM:name=SynthNine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SynthNine @ Nov 19 2010, 01:11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1806558"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Here's Mr.Epic's edit with a better eye with glow. I also added a tiny bit of white in the center of the eye.
THAT looks much better. Not necessarily because it looks like the old Fade, but because it looks <i>stranger</i>. It's proportions are odd and unfamiliar. It's slightly disturbing. This is what the Fade needs to be.
<!--quoteo(post=1806527:date=Nov 19 2010, 03:10 AM:name=Wheeee)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wheeee @ Nov 19 2010, 03:10 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1806527"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->definitely not a low poly model but something seems off. texturing isn't very detailed, not much bump mapping on the skin? idk what's going on. And yeah, fade could use darker skin.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh my god people I don't know what to say, I'm so glad ns 1 was as good as it was because right now I'm absolutely hating the new fade. Each other model that came before I didn't like to much and decided to bite my tongue except for the hydra that one I let every one know it looked wrong. I expected the fade to look amazing and it look so bad..... I'm just speech less. i don't know what to say it looks like crap its the worst design I have ever seen I'm sorry I love Unkownworlds but I have to be quite frank it looks terrible. It doesn't fit the other aliens design. Some guy said it looked like an old grampa. Others wanted to say it looked bad but instead blamed it on the textures. Open your eyes people the fade looks awful. And get a lode of this. The new patch, made the performance overall worse and the FPS slightly better and made shadows look like crap At least give us the choice to toggle between crap shadows and amazing shadows, is that so hard? My computer ran the previous patch very well and I though the alpha was in good standing but now Its super buggy and laggy, we have connectivity issues again its like we are at square one, not to mention the fade looking like something I could never imagine unkownworlds would be pass by.
In fact the new fade model looks so pathetic that mr epic made a better fade model with his spare time. Now aint that some ###### up ######? How on earth could they let that pass. I mean people people people, look at the Onos design up on the top portion of this web page. look at how evil and scary he looks. in fact look at those eyes?! there amazing they strike fear in people. if you look at the new aliens design you will notice its a joke compared to what the previous models where. Or even look at the NS1 webpage there's a picture of the Fade eye. It just looks so amazing. The old NS1 models may have had a lower polly count but they at least matched the game design, and at the time it looked impeckable...
I'm sorry, I'm so so sorry you had to hear this. You have a standard that people get used to and theirs just no way you can go back words if you do you have failed your fans, and even your future customers.
If your going to present the new fade, at least have the decency to re-toggle the new shadow effects to make the video look better. For god sakes if you compare the Onos intro to this its just awful. The old designer must have left. If you look at the video again you will notice all sorts of shadow anomalies like near the beginning when they walk under the fan and the fan casts a shadow over the peoples head and body, you will notice for what ever reason they choose to add another shadow that's even darker and it over laps. It just doesn't look right. and if they couldn't get that right it makes me wonder what else there gonna lazy out on, speaking of which oh look there using havok collision detection.
I'm sorry I don't want to piss any one off here and I'm not looking for a fight. But these are just my honest thoughts about the game and the fade design. I know others out there probably want to say something similar. Well guess what now's the time. I know a lot of you are going to look at this and probably going to make fun of my bad spelling and how I'm a hater and how hey guys "its an alpha", Ok I know its an alpha but at some point we need to have some kind of accountability if 35% of the people don't like the new fade design and we take into account the people that never post we can assume theirs a lot more people that potentially don't like this new model, all I'm saying is something has to be done.
I guarantee you that if you connect to a ns1 server and ask around they will tell you there not the only ones unhappy about the game direction and Fade design. look I'm not the only one. Sooner or later this is going to come back and bite UNW in the ass if they don't fix these problems, I know for a fact that at lest 60% of ns1 players who actually play the game often, believe the game is going in the wrong direction. And if your going to pull that bull ###### argument "well there not remaking NS1 for fans there making a new game" then I'm going to say that the fans should be pleased first at a bare minimal then the newer crowd.
UknownWorlds I demand an answer, will the Fades design be fixed?
Anyway, Once again sorry for the rant I believe it had to be done. Thank you.
But you are able to create an alpha game, and type in console cheats 1, join aliens, and type in fade to become the fade. Of course the 3rd person or 1st person model aren't visible, but you can test out the blink, swiping, etc. Just no way of actually seeing the fade.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can type cheats 1. and then "give fade" and a fade will spawn in front of you to look at.
<!--quoteo(post=1806738:date=Nov 19 2010, 10:42 AM:name=Donner & Blitzen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Donner & Blitzen @ Nov 19 2010, 10:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1806738"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This new Fade looks like a cross between a bear and a wolf. It doesn't fit its character.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
All the aliens look like animals, wouldn't having one of them not look like an animal make the art direction appear inconsistent?
<!--quoteo(post=1806766:date=Nov 19 2010, 11:45 AM:name=zex)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (zex @ Nov 19 2010, 11:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1806766"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->All the aliens look like animals, wouldn't having one of them not look like an animal make the art direction appear inconsistent?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The art already looks inconsistent, skulk looks quite alright basically a big skulk that looks like a dog, gorge idk what category he fits in. as for lurk, it looks like some kind of chicken pterodactyl, fade looks like an old man limping around, some one earlier said he should have a kain. Ono's looks like a guerrilla/dyno of some sort.
So there already modeled after real createrous just with a mix of dyno style with a lot more tough skin and rock?
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Btw I don't mean to insult the modeler or his art, it's awesome but I'm just trying to give ideas how to make it better.
@mr. epic I kinda like your photoshop version
But the glow effect alone would be satisfying, because i dont think they ll remake that much.
Now just touch up the colors a little bit:
<img src="http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090719020121/wowwiki/images/thumb/3/38/Shaleskin_Flayer.jpg/681px-Shaleskin_Flayer.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
And there he is.
:D
@mr. epic I kinda like your photoshop version
But the glow effect alone would be satisfying, because i dont think they ll remake that much.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The glow, and just maybe the back hump/reduced head size (though it may just look bigger than it really is in the screenshot) to give it the distance profile from ns1, would definitely cover it. I don't think he needs a makeover though, the images were just to show people that the spirit is definitely there.
edit- rofl what is that?
The fade himself is wierd but at the same time i thought the same about the skulk and now i love it.
Beta is great because this mean : speeding up the development time with new funds, allow long time fans but not alpha buyers to join.
<img src="http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5168/stlizardfight.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
Im afraid it came out a bit wrong. No bashing intended. I shouldnt have based my statement on a video barely shot in HD with regards to the res. I meerly compared the lifeforms in the viewer and the video. And in my opinion it doesn't look like work from the same person.
Having worked in 3d Art business before I think it looks rushed.
The artwork is still missing, perhaps that could shed som light on it.
Kinda disapointed with the new Fade, looks like a Skulk and Lerk made love. Was expecting something more menacing, but I guess that's the Onos' place. Love the new blink effect, but the fade has a silly looking face, the body looks all out of proportion and strange, guess it looks very alien then. Love the look of the Gorge, Skulk, Lerk and Onos, but find the Fade to be 'meh'. Damn.
I can see the design choice on all the aliens though and I do like that, the aliens in NS2 all look like they've evolved from eachother, rather then each alien in NS1 looking like a different species from eachother, like the Hive had been sleeping around... ;)
Maybe it'll grow on me.
Nice video though, well animated.
I like what Mr. Epic did to the Fade, nice effort. :)
Oh yeah. I'm liking this a LOT. UW, have this guy consult!
I actually agree with this. While the gameplay of the Fade looks awesome, I don't like the model at all. Every other model has been fantastic up until now.
<img src="http://filesmelt.com/dl/fadeeditglow.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
But yellow "fits" too - I just don't want it to be a beacon for fade when it is hiding in the dark...
Perhaps, it doesn't glow, but can glint back like a cats eyes if a flash light goes across it?
Also, perhaps there could be an upgrade for fade that allows it to absorb light - i.e. shadows darken the textures, but lights don't brighten it up;
This could be a low level cloak effect, or transition to/from cloak effect?
<img src="http://filesmelt.com/dl/fadeeditglow.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
+1 now thats a fade!
<!--quoteo(post=1806558:date=Nov 19 2010, 01:11 AM:name=SynthNine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SynthNine @ Nov 19 2010, 01:11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1806558"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Here's Mr.Epic's edit with a better eye with glow. I also added a tiny bit of white in the center of the eye.
<img src="http://filesmelt.com/dl/fadeeditglow.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
THAT looks much better. Not necessarily because it looks like the old Fade, but because it looks <i>stranger</i>. It's proportions are odd and unfamiliar. It's slightly disturbing. This is what the Fade needs to be.
Oh my god people I don't know what to say, I'm so glad ns 1 was as good as it was because right now I'm absolutely hating the new fade. Each other model that came before I didn't like to much and decided to bite my tongue except for the hydra that one I let every one know it looked wrong. I expected the fade to look amazing and it look so bad..... I'm just speech less. i don't know what to say it looks like crap its the worst design I have ever seen I'm sorry I love Unkownworlds but I have to be quite frank it looks terrible. It doesn't fit the other aliens design. Some guy said it looked like an old grampa. Others wanted to say it looked bad but instead blamed it on the textures. Open your eyes people the fade looks awful. And get a lode of this. The new patch, made the performance overall worse and the FPS slightly better and made shadows look like crap At least give us the choice to toggle between crap shadows and amazing shadows, is that so hard? My computer ran the previous patch very well and I though the alpha was in good standing but now Its super buggy and laggy, we have connectivity issues again its like we are at square one, not to mention the fade looking like something I could never imagine unkownworlds would be pass by.
In fact the new fade model looks so pathetic that mr epic made a better fade model with his spare time. Now aint that some ###### up ######? How on earth could they let that pass. I mean people people people, look at the Onos design up on the top portion of this web page. look at how evil and scary he looks. in fact look at those eyes?! there amazing they strike fear in people. if you look at the new aliens design you will notice its a joke compared to what the previous models where. Or even look at the NS1 webpage there's a picture of the Fade eye. It just looks so amazing. The old NS1 models may have had a lower polly count but they at least matched the game design, and at the time it looked impeckable...
I'm sorry, I'm so so sorry you had to hear this. You have a standard that people get used to and theirs just no way you can go back words if you do you have failed your fans, and even your future customers.
If your going to present the new fade, at least have the decency to re-toggle the new shadow effects to make the video look better. For god sakes if you compare the Onos intro to this its just awful. The old designer must have left. If you look at the video again you will notice all sorts of shadow anomalies like near the beginning when they walk under the fan and the fan casts a shadow over the peoples head and body, you will notice for what ever reason they choose to add another shadow that's even darker and it over laps. It just doesn't look right. and if they couldn't get that right it makes me wonder what else there gonna lazy out on, speaking of which oh look there using havok collision detection.
I'm sorry I don't want to piss any one off here and I'm not looking for a fight. But these are just my honest thoughts about the game and the fade design. I know others out there probably want to say something similar. Well guess what now's the time. I know a lot of you are going to look at this and probably going to make fun of my bad spelling and how I'm a hater and how hey guys "its an alpha", Ok I know its an alpha but at some point we need to have some kind of accountability if 35% of the people don't like the new fade design and we take into account the people that never post we can assume theirs a lot more people that potentially don't like this new model, all I'm saying is something has to be done.
I guarantee you that if you connect to a ns1 server and ask around they will tell you there not the only ones unhappy about the game direction and Fade design. look I'm not the only one. Sooner or later this is going to come back and bite UNW in the ass if they don't fix these problems, I know for a fact that at lest 60% of ns1 players who actually play the game often, believe the game is going in the wrong direction. And if your going to pull that bull ###### argument "well there not remaking NS1 for fans there making a new game" then I'm going to say that the fans should be pleased first at a bare minimal then the newer crowd.
UknownWorlds I demand an answer, will the Fades design be fixed?
Anyway, Once again sorry for the rant I believe it had to be done. Thank you.
Yeah, right...
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But you are able to create an alpha game, and type in console cheats 1, join aliens, and type in fade to become the fade. Of course the 3rd person or 1st person model aren't visible, but you can test out the blink, swiping, etc. Just no way of actually seeing the fade.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can type cheats 1. and then "give fade" and a fade will spawn in front of you to look at.
All the aliens look like animals, wouldn't having one of them not look like an animal make the art direction appear inconsistent?
The art already looks inconsistent, skulk looks quite alright basically a big skulk that looks like a dog, gorge idk what category he fits in. as for lurk, it looks like some kind of chicken pterodactyl, fade looks like an old man limping around, some one earlier said he should have a kain. Ono's looks like a guerrilla/dyno of some sort.
So there already modeled after real createrous just with a mix of dyno style with a lot more tough skin and rock?