Does NS 2 support 64-bit?
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Core2duo and QuadCores and AMD variants are naively 64-bits. @OP I can't give ya the answer though, I'm on 32-bits <img src="http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/smileys/smile.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
Yeah, thats what i needed to know, because some programs don't function on 64-bit windows, thanks
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The only and single app that didn't work because of my OS was a old strange japanese XXX game that required WinXP or Win2K to run. So nothing to do with 64bit :)
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Actually thats usually more related to the last 16bit pieces scrapped from the nt kernel or because they use API calls that have been scrapped between XP und 7
But yes,
I am running NS2 alpha on a win7 64 bit :)
thats because you have to have the 64bit version of those software.
I work with 3DS Max on W7 64 bit with no problem. :)
you can even run apps in full 32bit emulation mode on windows 7 home premium upwards....
Im running all my games (which are all 32bit versions) on a windows 7 64bit home premium edition...no problems....
Well I work for a very large Autodesk reseller and I know that all the latest Autodesk products will work on a 64bit OS AFAIK.
also CPU and video card are the most important thing for gaming, i'd select them first, and then build the rest of your pc around them. they will have the most effect on your frame rate for smooth gaming. everything else like the SSD (which imo is overpriced still) and 8 gigs of ram won't directly make the game run smoother, sure it might load a bit faster, but once loaded not much difference.
e.g. i'd pick the fastest CPU and Fastest video card even if I had to sacrafice by going down to 2gb RAM, and a normal SATA II hard drive.
EDIT : i think right now price vs performance, you can't beat an AMD quad 3.4ghz cpu, and ATi HD 5850.
The ONLY real case where you're going to run into problems on the Windows side when it comes to 32/64 bit is drivers. Just any <b>program</b> will work just fine, unless the coders were particularly dumb, or trying to be overly-cute with their memory addressing.
The other way around is where it doesn't work, these days... 64-bit-specific programs won't run on 32-bit OSes. Think of it like a cup, if you don't understand memory addressing and expanded command sets. A 64oz cup can carry 32oz of water, but a 32oz cup can't carry 64oz.
Unless you're 'upgrading' to an ia64-based machine (Itanium, circa ~1997). Those things weren't 32-bit backward compatible. But ANY <b>modern</b> 64-bit CPU will run 32-bit code just fine, no muss, no fuss.
Wrong.
<a href="http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/05/disable-driver-signing-windows-7/" target="_blank">http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/05/d...ning-windows-7/</a>
or
<a href="http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/06/disable-driver-signing-in-windows-7-using-group-policy-editor/" target="_blank">http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/06/d...-policy-editor/</a>
If you are around 4GB of RAM, you need run 64bit, else you are going to be wasting memory.
64bit is also more secure, malware wise. A lot of virus code and rootkits can only run under a 32-bit OS.
Yes, you DO get a performance boost for (and can run in the first place) programs built for 64-bit. This also makes sense, as the extended registers ARE being used.
8GB RAM helps when you heavily multitask; if you're just using it as an email and myFace box, you should be fine with 2GB or so. If you keep over 150 Firefox tabs open at once, multiple spreadsheets, IMs, music player, IRC app, and an IDE running, 8GB helps lighten the pinch. Actually USING the computer. Also if you are running a heavy 64-bit program that can actually utilize all 8GB of RAM, you get a tremendous boost.
As far as two Program Files directories making things 'messy'... there are so many responses. Short version, please do not sort all your DLLs into one 'folder', and all your EXEs into another to 'tidy up'. Knowing which programs are 32-bit versus 64-bit can be quite handy for troubleshooting, or just making sure you aren't running a limited version when one that takes full advantage of your machine is available.
Driver signature enforcement is there as a safety measure. It notifies you once, when you are installing the driver. If you cannot deal with a cautionary alert, please disconnect the oil, brake and low-fuel lights in your car under the same principle.
Yes, if you are building a cheap system you take all of this into consideration, and don't overbuild for what you need. But given that nearly all processors coming out at the moment for a workstation platform are 64-bit, there's no reason to go out of your way to FIND a 32-bit-only CPU to 'upgrade' to. Not to mention that many 32-bit processors do not include extended instruction sets like SSE2, which a large number of games DO require to run in the first place.
<a href="http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/05/disable-driver-signing-windows-7/" target="_blank">http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/05/d...ning-windows-7/</a>
or
<a href="http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/06/disable-driver-signing-in-windows-7-using-group-policy-editor/" target="_blank">http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/06/d...-policy-editor/</a>
If you are around 4GB of RAM, you need run 64bit, else you are going to be wasting memory.
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did you even try to do them? I bet you they don't work, the article is from may 2009. i have only tried disabling on vista 64 so it may be different from 7, but i have my doubts. the only way i know to disable it is via f8 on startup, or to set up something to automatically select it for you.
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no, it stops the driver from running, meaning they wont work, at least for <a href="http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.htm" target="_blank">VAC</a> it does not.
Can't say I've had one issue installing a non-WHQL driver.
also i wonder if there would be any benefits to having a 64bit exe for ns2?
also CPU and video card are the most important thing for gaming, i'd select them first, and then build the rest of your pc around them. they will have the most effect on your frame rate for smooth gaming. everything else like the SSD (which imo is overpriced still) and 8 gigs of ram won't directly make the game run smoother, sure it might load a bit faster, but once loaded not much difference.
e.g. i'd pick the fastest CPU and Fastest video card even if I had to sacrafice by going down to 2gb RAM, and a normal SATA II hard drive.
EDIT : i think right now price vs performance, you can't beat an AMD quad 3.4ghz cpu, and ATi HD 5850.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im actually not spending that much, as a student of a college, your allowed to buy software at hugely discounted prices, I could get the whole adobe professional master suits for $30 and win 7 ultimate for $15, office pro for $10, ect. I wasnt expecting to save so much so i have cash left over for the good things in life. I will have a SSD for booting the OS and all major programs like PS, 3DS, and so on; they have gotten cheaper, but since im not totally making a new computer, im keeping my 500Gb disc based drive for storage. I know I'll be enjoying the extra reading and writing speed in the future, its one of those things you really start to like after the fact you have it then go back to a slowing drive and notice the difference. Then I was thinking about adding the extra gigs of ram, it wouldnt cost but maybe $50-70 to add 2-4 gigs of ram on top of my 4 gigs, and it would help in the long run, so why cheap out on something that could benefit me in my future; I like my computers to last me a long time. Currently some ATI video cards can work together in 2s without having to be the same make/model, so buying 2 $60 cheap video cards have the same effect as one really expensive one ($200). Having one of these newer models already, it's not that big of a problem. I can't complain on the processor, it's already $70 cheaper then full price in the combo, mainly because it comes with the power supply, and it is a cheap and powerful quad core with 5 eggs on newegg, which might be a reason as to why its still sold out and not in stock. With USB 3.0, i can have insane transfer rates through USB; meaning more powerful and vastly higher quality webcams and external boot drives through USB are possible. I think im getting a good deal on most of the stuff so far, still shopping around. There were cheaper SSDs but you really have to look at the read/write rates, some of them were earlier models and are pretty much slower or same speed as a Disk drive; I made sure that the new SSD was a vast improvement, its no <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227517" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820227517</a> but the one im getting is good enough. so far, out of $600, i have 200 left roughly, which can still get me plenty. My brothers best buy discounts are a huge aid to that with 10-20% off + special deals. On a side note, its a invisible budget, it's at $600 but going over is at no harm to me, it's my cash after all. Total, ive saved around $5K in reserved savings from work over the years for in case my car breaks down or a such.
I do use high demand programs and functions on my computer, so 64-bit would be the way to go if im rendering a animation. I'm in pre-med, but i have a hobby to make CG art and such.
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there are other problems with it too, its basically restricting the user and making Microsoft more money while developers that cant afford to buy signatures not have 64 bit support.
There would be benefits to it, it would run faster, however it may not be worth UWE time because the speed isn't really that much faster. they are a small company so time is of the essence, and it would probably introduce more bugs for them to fix.
"A 1.2 GHz Processor, 256MB RAM, a DirectX 9 level graphics card, Windows Vista/2000/XP, Steam, mouse, keyboard and of course, an internet connection. We are working hard to make sure NS2 runs well on average hardware without having to upgrade your machine! We do not currently have a release date set for NS2, but will let you know as soon as we do."
You won't be missing out by choosing either 32 or 64 bit hardware, at least not right now.