Does NS 2 support 64-bit?

schkorpio

<!--quoteo(post=1796334:date=Aug 26 2010, 01:23 PM:name=Gun_Knight)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gun_Knight @ Aug 26 2010, 01:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796334"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm in pre-med, but i have a hobby to make CG art and such.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i might not be smart enough to be a doctor, but i've got 15+ years of professional experience building pc's, and i'm giving you good advice here - SSD and 8gb of ram is a complete waste of time right now (upgrade when you actually need it at 1/4 of the price).

and whiteknight has already given you a second opinion :P (lame medical joke....)


you'd be wise to take it ......

WhiteZero

<!--quoteo(post=1796341:date=Aug 25 2010, 10:11 PM:name=schkorpio)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (schkorpio @ Aug 25 2010, 10:11 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796341"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i might not be smart enough to be a doctor, but i've got 15+ years of professional experience building pc's, and i'm giving you good advice here - SSD and 8gb of ram is a complete waste of time right now (upgrade when you actually need it at 1/4 of the price).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, 8GB of RAM is already fairly cheap and something you can grow into. Unlike an SSD which is just going to get exponentially bigger, faster and cheaper over the next couple years.

Gun_Knight

I'm just going by prices, to me, i see <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007603+600003343&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=14&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....amp;srchInDesc=</a> on disc base drives, and they are the same price or more compared to SSD. The cheaper high speed drives only hold 70Gb, so there is almost no difference in price for speed. Its either pick a 10-15K rpm or SSD, i just prefer the SSD, storage is not a factor for me so much (i had just got a 500Gb drive like 2 months ago), as i noted, i just want a boot drive for programs and OS functions and im not afraid to go over the dollar for small increases. Its a semi dream PC, and I want it to be at its greatest for its cost; sure prices will go down and storage will increase, but what good is it if I have to wait another year or two (three) because by then, im sure there will be another great piece of hardware that i will want because its the best thats overpriced once more but provides that small factor that makes it better. I could easily work an extra 5 hours or eat sandwiches for 2 weeks and not go out to pay the difference between a SSD and a slower disc drive that may be more trouble then its worth in time since i'll have to reinstall and move folders from one drive to the other in the future which would take say 3 hours or more of management + looking again for another drive in the first place; it just doesnt add up in time because in the 4-5 hours spent investing in another drive later on that hopefully gets cheaper, i could of already bought the SSD in terms of $13 an hour and not of needed to do it in the first place. Well, thats how i see it anyways

<!--quoteo(post=1796341:date=Aug 25 2010, 11:11 PM:name=schkorpio)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (schkorpio @ Aug 25 2010, 11:11 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796341"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i might not be smart enough to be a doctor, but i've got 15+ years of professional experience building pc's, and i'm giving you good advice here - SSD and 8gb of ram is a complete waste of time right now (upgrade when you actually need it at 1/4 of the price).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

You don't need to be that smart to be a doctor :P I'm just going for being a PA anyways cause i don't have overwhelming amounts of dedication of spending 4 extra years in school. Its just a matter of memorization and either having a life or getting sleep, never both. Then finding hatred for classes like Chem 2 and O-chem which should be easy enough :P And I am upgrading it when I need it, I forgot to add that my current computer is a 5 year old dell computer, so if you want to upgrade it, you really have to upgrade the whole system. I've been meaning to make a computer for a long time now so I would have the option to do small upgrades on individual parts such as the CPU which is on the bolted in minimum spec motherboards in dells. So im determined to use up every penny I had saved for the rare occasion.

Talesin

<!--quoteo(post=1796334:date=Aug 25 2010, 09:23 PM:name=Gun_Knight)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gun_Knight @ Aug 25 2010, 09:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796334"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Im actually not spending that much, as a student of a college, your allowed to buy software at hugely discounted prices, I could get the whole adobe professional master suits for $30 and win 7 ultimate for $15, office pro for $10, ect. I wasnt expecting to save so much so i have cash left over for the good things in life.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Please let me know where this college is, if they're giving you that deep of discounts.. I want to go there. The standard student rate for the Adobe suite tends to be $120, and about $100 for an educational institution OEM of Win7.

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I will have a SSD for booting the OS<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Not a necessity, but nice to have. Not worth the price at the moment.

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Then I was thinking about adding the extra gigs of ram, it wouldnt cost but maybe $50-70 to add 2-4 gigs of ram on top of my 4 gigs, and it would help in the long run, so why cheap out on something that could benefit me in my future; I like my computers to last me a long time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Mostly as you need to make sure your mobo has enough DIMM slots to actually take the extra memory modules. Your price point is for El Cheapo DDR3... the kind of stuff I wouldn't be comfortable using in my own machines without a few weeks' worth of Memtest86+ burn-in.
Short version, Win 7 with a standard setup, 4GB will do you fine. There's no cost in adding more later if you DO find that you need it (and your motherboard can support additional sticks), and the RAM prices will have dropped further at that point.

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Currently some ATI video cards can work together in 2s without having to be the same make/model, so buying 2 $60 cheap video cards have the same effect as one really expensive one ($200).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->No, it wouldn't. Performance isn't even double that of the cheap card. It's better at this point to shell out for one card that'll actually do what you NEED, than deal with the headaches of SLI/Crossfire just because you were cheap. It'll also come back to bite you in the backside as those two video cards will eat more power and generate more heat than a single more powerful card, in most cases. Dual or triple card setups are for performance enthusiasts, not cost-cutting. You will be kicking yourself HARD AND REPEATEDLY later on this one.

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->With USB 3.0, i can have insane transfer rates through USB; meaning more powerful and vastly higher quality webcams and external boot drives through USB are possible.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Good luck finding USB 3.0 devices. Seriously... 'webcams' needing high throughput? Most of them don't even come close to the USB2.0 limit, and that's for the expensive ones... not the crappy $50 monitor-sitters that most people have. About all you'll get particularly increased speed on is if you have a USB3.0 external drive that can actually FEED at that rate. And as most drives can only moderately break the 1.5Gbps rate of SATA at this point, it's not worthwhile aside from getting rid of what little restriction eSATA actually has, as far as that goes.

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I do use high demand programs and functions on my computer, so 64-bit would be the way to go if im rendering a animation. I'm in pre-med, but i have a hobby to make CG art and such.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->64-bit is also becoming the mainstream platform. If you want to be able to use a majority of programs down the road, a 64-bit processor is a baseline future-proofing *necessity* in my mind. It all stages up... we're seeing the same arguments we did back when the transition from 16-bit to 32-bit took over... just with the added annoyance of people who don't know what they're talking about yawping over the transition, instead of hold-out geeks who can actually make coherent arguments about the architectures and advantages of each.
And yes, most 3D modelling/rendering suites have 64-bit binaries, allowing for MUCH faster rendering given the sheer amount of high-precision floating point calculation that needs to be carried out in the process of rendering even a single frame.

Gun_Knight

In truth, none of the things I listed are must have necessary; I also didn't say which video card I already had that would work with cross firing. I also made a mistake on the deal i was getting from best buy through my brothers geek squad, its the black edition <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103674</a> . The video card is <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150447" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814150447</a> , not the greatest or best but it has crossfire on it, so i could arrange that card as the primary and the lesser card as a secondary expansion of it. School is University of Houston if that matters, but the price is the price, they have cheaper software then UTSA from what I know as well because I had called some friends over there and compared prices recently, so it does depend on the school for how cheap it is. As far as ram goes, I want it just so i can say I have it. I'm already spending over 700 on this, what difference will $50 make in getting 2 gig more of ram. It wouldn't be a spending spree if I didn't get all the bells and whistles I could <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104162" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820104162</a> , then <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104171" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820104171</a> ok $60 more, its still not that el cheapo of ram, cas lag is 7 and good timing, so its good enough for me.

WhiteZero

The 5770 is the best card at the $150 price point, nothing wrong there.

TheLord

The only program I found that does NOT run properly on win7 64bit is .... C&C Red Alert 1 - The setup needs a 16-bit emulator which is only present on 32bit systems...

And for the gfx card either get a 5770 or a msi cyclone gtx460 1gb or the gigabyte gtx460 1gb.

I'd prefer the msi cyclone - nice price/performance and silent.

WhiteZero

<!--quoteo(post=1796395:date=Aug 26 2010, 11:39 AM:name=TheLord)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheLord @ Aug 26 2010, 11:39 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796395"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And for the gfx card either get a 5770 or a msi cyclone gtx460 1gb or the gigabyte gtx460 1gb.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, that is a $100 jump between the 5770 and the GTX460 1GB series. The 460 is a good performance jump though and when put in SLI rival even the 5870 in XFire.
<a href="http://hardocp.com/article/2010/08/17/geforce_gtx_460_sli_vs_radeon_hd_5870_cfx_5760/" target="_blank">http://hardocp.com/article/2010/08/17/gefo..._5870_cfx_5760/</a>

TheLord

Uuh true, better get a Gigabyte gtx 460 1gb then, its cheaper and delivers almost the same performance - its "only" a jump of 60 Euros from the cheapest 5770 1gb.

Iced_Eagle

<!--quoteo(post=1796305:date=Aug 25 2010, 06:25 PM:name=Gun_Knight)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gun_Knight @ Aug 25 2010, 06:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796305"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->All right, then its all go for 64-bit win 7, thanks<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This is what I always recommend to people when they get Win7.

To give you an idea, there are more people running the 64 bit version than the 32 bit version, and there aren't really any problems, unless you're trying to run programs designed for 16-bit days. :P

WhiteZero

<!--quoteo(post=1796418:date=Aug 26 2010, 04:48 PM:name=Iced_Eagle)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Iced_Eagle @ Aug 26 2010, 04:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796418"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is what I always recommend to people when they get Win7.

To give you an idea, there are more people running the 64 bit version than the 32 bit version, and there aren't really any problems, unless you're trying to run programs designed for 16-bit days. :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which is, of course, due to pretty much every new computer that has come out since Win7's release has at least 4GB of RAM. :D

Kouji_San

<!--quoteo(post=1796435:date=Aug 27 2010, 02:07 AM:name=WhiteZero)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WhiteZero @ Aug 27 2010, 02:07 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796435"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Which is, of course, due to pretty much every new computer that has come out since Win7's release has at least 4GB of RAM. :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Still there are lots of lower end laptops with just 3Gb of ram though (similar to desktops as well)

WhiteZero

<!--quoteo(post=1796438:date=Aug 26 2010, 07:23 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Aug 26 2010, 07:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796438"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Still there are lots of lower end laptops with just 3Gb of ram though (similar to desktops as well)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Eh? 3GB from the factory? Not super common.
Most laptop mobos are running dual-channel, meaning your going to have to have your RAM in pairs of 2.
Factory standard would be 1GB (2x512MB), 2GB (2x1GB) or 4GB (2x2GB).

Compare <a href="http://www.ecost.com/ecost/category/category.aspx?p_331867=3GB&category=155438717&p=1" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=32&name=Laptops-Notebooks" target="_blank">here</a>, select 3GB as the memory option. It's not nearly as common as 2GB or 4GB. But I guess there is still a decent amount.

Warmonger

<!--quoteo(post=1796395:date=Aug 26 2010, 12:39 PM:name=TheLord)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheLord @ Aug 26 2010, 12:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796395"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The only program I found that does NOT run properly on win7 64bit is .... C&C Red Alert 1 - The setup needs a 16-bit emulator which is only present on 32bit systems...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No big deal, you can run it in <a href="http://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?showID=1362&letter=C" target="_blank">DOSBox</a> (I prefer DOSBox portable).

Chris0132

<!--quoteo(post=1796284:date=Aug 25 2010, 09:47 PM:name=Gun_Knight)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gun_Knight @ Aug 25 2010, 09:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796284"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just rumors, ive heard some programs like 3DS-max didn't work, along with poser, Gimp, maya, and some auto-CADs. Just rumors though, nothing for sure on my side<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

3DS max has a proper 64 bit version, and has for several years, and the 64 bit version runs better than the 32 bit version.

Of all the things that wouldn't work on a 64 bit OS, development tools like max, photoshop, maya etc, things that have been built for 64 bit for years, would be the LAST things I would suggest.

Rhodri

<!--quoteo(post=1796489:date=Aug 27 2010, 08:09 AM:name=Chris0132)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chris0132 @ Aug 27 2010, 08:09 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796489"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->3DS max has a proper 64 bit version, and has for several years, and the 64 bit version runs better than the 32 bit version.

Of all the things that wouldn't work on a 64 bit OS, development tools like max, photoshop, maya etc, things that have been built for 64 bit for years, would be the LAST things I would suggest.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


My Win7 64bit workstation agrees with this, and is very grateful for being able to access all of her RAM. Maya and 3DS max benefit a lot from 64bit.

Kouji_San

<!--quoteo(post=1796447:date=Aug 27 2010, 04:37 AM:name=WhiteZero)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WhiteZero @ Aug 27 2010, 04:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796447"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Eh? 3GB from the factory? Not super common.
Most laptop mobos are running dual-channel, meaning your going to have to have your RAM in pairs of 2.
Factory standard would be 1GB (2x512MB), 2GB (2x1GB) or 4GB (2x2GB).

Compare <a href="http://www.ecost.com/ecost/category/category.aspx?p_331867=3GB&category=155438717&p=1" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=32&name=Laptops-Notebooks" target="_blank">here</a>, select 3GB as the memory option. It's not nearly as common as 2GB or 4GB. But I guess there is still a decent amount.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah them 3Gb are nothing more then marketing ploys...

"Look for only a small amount of cash extra you can get 3Gb, isn't that swell!"

Currently they have their 32bit OS on there with 2Gb and the salesman tries to convince people to buy an extra Gb in there. Their sales pitch being "3Gb is of course better then 2Gb, more is better!". Hehe, I'm not even sure those salesmen know about dual channel...


But I think last year, these 3Gb computers were sold alongside those of 2Gb and 4Gb(64-bits), especially for laptops (or notebooks as they are now called <img src="http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/smileys/biggrin.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />). The market changed but those sale-sharks haven't <img src="http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/smileys/shifty.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />

FocusedWolf

<!--quoteo(post=1796447:date=Aug 26 2010, 10:37 PM:name=WhiteZero)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WhiteZero @ Aug 26 2010, 10:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796447"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Eh? 3GB from the factory? Not super common.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I disagree. Both my laptop and desktop came with 64bit processors and 3gb of ram, and my desktop isn't that modern either (i.e. the built in vid card is that nvidia 6150 crap... It's a nice computer with a giant gtx 285 that just manages to fit in xD). I think my dads computer came with quad core 64bit + 4gb. Not sure about the other computers in my house.

Ezekiel

pairs of two? who woulda thought.

wazups2x

<!--quoteo(post=1796281:date=Aug 25 2010, 01:25 PM:name=Gun_Knight)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gun_Knight @ Aug 25 2010, 01:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796281"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, thats what i needed to know, because some programs don't function on 64-bit windows, thanks

Sorry on double post<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've never had a game that was not compatible with 64 bit and I own over 70 games. 64 bit operating systems can run any 32 bit program.

Gun_Knight

Just close the thread, people are replying to old post and not reading the whole thing anyways, answer was acquired and done.

intellix

Are multi-cores utilized?

WhiteZero

<!--quoteo(post=1796710:date=Aug 28 2010, 05:41 PM:name=intellix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (intellix @ Aug 28 2010, 05:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1796710"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Are multi-cores utilized?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think you are looking for this thread: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=110955" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=110955</a>

Talesin

Yeah, question answered, just starting to ramble now.

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