If a developer announces there will be issues with the game ,it does not grant immunity from complaints.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"as in being able to join a game. I dont care if I get lagspikes or bad fps" - obviously you do<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Read my posts again.
<!--quoteo(post=1786417:date=Jul 27 2010, 05:57 PM:name=cat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cat @ Jul 27 2010, 05:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786417"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If a developer announces there will be issues with the game ,it does not grant immunity from complaints.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're right, but complaining about the game isn't going to get it fixed any quicker. UWE will fix the all the problems we're having this IS an alpha after all.
<!--quoteo(post=1786268:date=Jul 27 2010, 04:28 PM:name=BLO0DSUCKER)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLO0DSUCKER @ Jul 27 2010, 04:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786268"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's an alpha, you seem to expect too much ;)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I 100% agree with you.
I think the Alpha is great (Even though there are numerous bugs). As other people have said "It is software testing". We are playing and finding bugs at the same time. I don't see the problem with that. I can get kills and I get killed.
It is fun. All because it is not what you guys expect it to be because you love NS1 doesn't mean that it is bad. It WILL get better and as soon as they stop the lagging I bet all of you guys will love it.
<!--quoteo(post=1786417:date=Jul 27 2010, 10:57 AM:name=cat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cat @ Jul 27 2010, 10:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786417"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If a developer announces there will be issues with the game ,it does not grant immunity from complaints.
Read my posts again.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
how you didnt slit your own wrists after the engine test is beyond me lol
I joined this discussion to express that this alpha is still a product we paid for and that it is not a gift that dropped from the sky that we may not critize. Seriously, fanboys share some common traits with religious extremists. As I said before, all of my ranting is aimed at zealous fanboys not getting the point of a 20+$ alpha that was supposed to be an incentive for early pre-order so flayra can pay the rent and prevent the dev team from rioting from outstanding paychecks ( I think cory would win the fight, you seen those upper arms?)
<!--quoteo(post=1786425:date=Jul 27 2010, 01:03 PM:name=cat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cat @ Jul 27 2010, 01:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786425"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I joined this discussion to express that this alpha is still a product we paid for and that it is not a gift that dropped from the sky that we may not critize. Seriously, fanboys share some common traits with religious extremists. As I said before, all of my ranting is aimed at zealous fanboys not getting the point of a 20+$ alpha that was supposed to be an incentive for early pre-order so flayra can pay the rent and prevent the dev team from rioting from outstanding paychecks ( I think cory would win the fight, you seen those upper arms?)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you would be happier if the alpha was completely fixed of latency, framerate, and server joining issues?
I'm cool with that.
Why are you complaining about getting access before that is all fixed? You're getting access before you expected. Would you rather Unknown Worlds Entertainment stall Alpha access by a month to fix all the issues and then open up access again?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Really cruel comment.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, think this way of leading a discussion is a bit flawed.
<!--quoteo(post=1786430:date=Jul 27 2010, 01:06 PM:name=yourbonesakin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yourbonesakin @ Jul 27 2010, 01:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786430"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So you would be happier if the alpha was completely fixed of latency, framerate, and server joining issues?
I'm cool with that.
Why are you complaining about getting access before that is all fixed? You're getting access before you expected. Would you rather Unknown Worlds Entertainment stall Alpha access by a month to fix all the issues and then open up access again?
This is what's perplexing me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Address this, cat.
How about we try to find some bugs they dont already know about? instead of keep whining about the obvious? :P The engine itself is running extremely well if you think about it.. how many of you guys have random crashes? the game hasnt crashed ONCE for me, and ive been in many BETA tests... lots of crashes even there...
Well, lots of lag and whatnot else (though I did run my own local server with some NS oldies as that was the only way to play) but not a single crash so yeah, so far nothing wrong with the stability :P
<!--quoteo(post=1786452:date=Jul 27 2010, 11:17 AM:name=Skyrage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Skyrage @ Jul 27 2010, 11:17 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786452"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, lots of lag and whatnot else (though I did run my own local server with some NS oldies as that was the only way to play) but not a single crash so yeah, so far nothing wrong with the stability :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
exactly, people complaining about bugs, crying that the devs need to fix them, but then dont report the issue they are having.
regarding the topic of this thread, id say no source engine just wouldnt of givin the freedom that UWE wanted/needed, i also remember when they first announced that they were using/creating the new engine spark which would help them in the long run and make everything easier for them as a small team of which UWE is.
im very happy they went this route, while trying out the alpha last night i already fell in love, the textures and detail are amazing for an alpha, way better then source IMO and like alot of people are saying it still has a grity feeling.
as for me trying out the alpha last night, i had some problems of my own not being able to connect which i fixed by port forwarding port 27015 on my firewall and router and most servers just dont work and wont let you connect, i also had some issues when i was trying to change my resolution size in fullscreen while haveing two active monitors with extended desktop instead of two clones, it would flicker black and grey back and forth constantly seeming like it was going from the default resolution to my selected res, i fixed this issue by just making a one active monitor and that fixed my problem.
i knew this is an alpha and i totally didnt expect much to work and to run into lots of bugs, ill share another experience when i joined a game and it was lagging so bad that it wouldnt load me into the ready room and it seemed like i had noclip and was able to glitch around the map, it was quiet funny and i had a good laugh with the other people in the server.
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Defiantly not, this is an alpha of a pretty feature full engine. Think about it, they have been working on all these features and tools for the engine they haven't had a lot of time for optimization, now that they have the alpha released they will be working on performance full time before adding more features.
Also, they haven't had anywhere near the sort of testing the got last night. Think about it, they would be testing LAN with a limited playerbase so the server problems from last night are brand new to them, and that's why we are here.
You did not pay an extra $20 to buy Alpha access and black armor. You paid an extra $20 to support UWE and help them actually finish the game, and they gave you Alpha access and black armor as their small way of saying thanks (and because they probably couldn't afford to hire a QA team).
If you couldn't figure that out from the developers explicitly telling it to you, learn from your mistakes and do a little more reading the next time you shell out $20 for something.
I was unable to connect to a Dedicated server last night which was unfortunate. However, I was able to connect to a private server with someone else and we were able run around and check out the map.
I for one am excited about seing the game progress. Visually it looks great. The game has a long way to go, but I have no doubt
My suggestion after last nights experience: 1) Add a maximum player count to the server browser
It will stop the majority of folks who continually hammer a server and do not know its already full.
I've just got home from work and am currently downloading NS2, I thought I'd pop on here to see what people's impressions were in the mean time and all there is is flame wars already.
To the fanboys please stop with the "It's an Alpha"... We know it's an Alpha for crying out loud.
I thought the whole point of us being able to participate in this Alpha was so that we could find bugs and offer constructive criticism. The original poster has done this and all he's got back is fanboys telling him "it's an Alpha".
Maybe it's actually him that knows it's an Alpha instead of all these fanboys..
<!--quoteo(post=1786502:date=Jul 27 2010, 06:49 PM:name=V_MAN)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V_MAN @ Jul 27 2010, 06:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786502"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've just got home from work and am currently downloading NS2, I thought I'd pop on here to see what people's impressions were in the mean time and all there is is flame wars already.
To the fanboys please stop with the "It's an Alpha"... We know it's an Alpha for crying out loud.
I thought the whole point of us being able to participate in this Alpha was so that we could find bugs and offer constructive criticism. The original poster has done this and all he's got back is morons telling him "it's an Alpha".
Maybe it's actually him that knows it's an Alpha instead of all these fanboys..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1786506:date=Jul 27 2010, 11:53 AM:name=Revi.uk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Revi.uk @ Jul 27 2010, 11:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786506"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Fanboy is such an overused word.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> especially since the much heralded first poster was complaining about performance and RCON in a friggin alpha release. seriously. ignore list is gonna get pretty full this week.
Invalid point. We know it is an alpha, but it should be at least in a playable state, like being able to connect to a game and run around.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This functionality is given! In fact, many people ran around in NS2 alpha yesterday, so your point is invalid. Being not able to connect to every server is just a little bug and also caused by listenservers behind closed ports so STOP YO ###### please. Alpha = Alpha
<!--quoteo(post=1786509:date=Jul 27 2010, 06:55 PM:name=VeNeM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VeNeM @ Jul 27 2010, 06:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786509"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->especially since the much heralded first poster was complaining about performance and RCON in a friggin alpha release. seriously. ignore list is gonna get pretty full this week.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
By all means then we won't have to listen when you feel compelled to reply to a post in order to point out it's an Alpha...
The OP is pointing out things that don't work right, were supposed to being doing that are we not? Along with listing any bugs we encounter and perhaps things that could be changed in order to make the game better, things that might not have occurred to the developers for some reason or other. Maybe he could be a bit more specific with regard to the performance comment, such as listing his system specifications and how the game was performing on <b>HIS</b> system, what was happening on screen etc.
Wow the ammount of stupid in this thread is immense...
All these backseat developers telling people what an alpha should be and what should be most important. Yeah performance is the most important thing to focus on, because you want that game to run at 90+ fps before it crashs after 2 minutes because stability is in the trashcan...
The "game" hasn't been even out for 24 hours, it's an alpha of an new engine for the first time in the wild. Of course there will be thousands of different issues. Seriously SE should have come with an brain so people are actually able to think before going "ZOMG IT'S ALPHA AND I CAN'T PLAY THIS SUCKS!!1"
Be happy that the alpha build is as rock stable as it is, usually games are riddled with CTD and memory issues even in beta and i've seen none of these so far. Game didn't crash a single time on me, it quits and starts up nice and quick. Most AAA titles don't manage that level of stability even in retail... that's allready quite an feat there.
Base is stable everything after that is way easier than working with a piece of code that constantly crashes on you.
<!--quoteo(post=1786535:date=Jul 27 2010, 07:15 PM:name=V_MAN)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V_MAN @ Jul 27 2010, 07:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786535"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->By all means then we won't have to listen when you feel compelled to reply to a post in order to point out it's an Alpha...
The OP is pointing out things that don't work right, were supposed to being doing that are we not? Along with listing any bugs we encounter and perhaps things that could be changed in order to make the game better, things that might not have occurred to the developers for some reason or other. Maybe he could be a bit more specific with regard to the performance comment, such as listing his system specifications and how the game was performing on <b>HIS</b> system, what was happening on screen etc.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The is constructive feedback and there is annoying "stating the obvious ranting", i've seen nothing of the former and lots of the latter. Also the place for feedback/bugreports is getstatisfaction and not this forum.
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"And for basic functionality, it needs to be playable" - it is
"as in being able to join a game. I dont care if I get lagspikes or bad fps" - obviously you do
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"as in being able to join a game. I dont care if I get lagspikes or bad fps" - obviously you do<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read my posts again.
You're right, but complaining about the game isn't going to get it fixed any quicker. UWE will fix the all the problems we're having this IS an alpha after all.
I 100% agree with you.
I think the Alpha is great (Even though there are numerous bugs). As other people have said "It is software testing". We are playing and finding bugs at the same time. I don't see the problem with that. I can get kills and I get killed.
It is fun. All because it is not what you guys expect it to be because you love NS1 doesn't mean that it is bad. It WILL get better and as soon as they stop the lagging I bet all of you guys will love it.
Read my posts again.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
how you didnt slit your own wrists after the engine test is beyond me lol
As I said before, all of my ranting is aimed at zealous fanboys not getting the point of a 20+$ alpha that was supposed to be an incentive for early pre-order so flayra can pay the rent and prevent the dev team from rioting from outstanding paychecks ( I think cory would win the fight, you seen those upper arms?)
I don't know, I don't think the OP even knows anymore based on his last post.
As I said before, all of my ranting is aimed at zealous fanboys not getting the point of a 20+$ alpha that was supposed to be an incentive for early pre-order so flayra can pay the rent and prevent the dev team from rioting from outstanding paychecks ( I think cory would win the fight, you seen those upper arms?)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So you would be happier if the alpha was completely fixed of latency, framerate, and server joining issues?
I'm cool with that.
Why are you complaining about getting access before that is all fixed? You're getting access before you expected. Would you rather Unknown Worlds Entertainment stall Alpha access by a month to fix all the issues and then open up access again?
This is what's perplexing me.
That is never funny.
Yes, think this way of leading a discussion is a bit flawed.
I'm cool with that.
Why are you complaining about getting access before that is all fixed? You're getting access before you expected. Would you rather Unknown Worlds Entertainment stall Alpha access by a month to fix all the issues and then open up access again?
This is what's perplexing me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Address this, cat.
eh?
not like i said he should or i wish he would, sheesh get a grip.
The engine itself is running extremely well if you think about it.. how many of you guys have random crashes? the game hasnt crashed ONCE for me, and ive been in many BETA tests... lots of crashes even there...
thats why you report what EXACTLY is happening when you try to join a server..
Its an alpha. *Runs*
Its because servers are full without stating why dont you setup your own dedicated server and password it or too much for you?
exactly, people complaining about bugs, crying that the devs need to fix them, but then dont report the issue they are having.
BRWARARR FIX TEH ######ME!
-_-
im very happy they went this route, while trying out the alpha last night i already fell in love, the textures and detail are amazing for an alpha, way better then source IMO and like alot of people are saying it still has a grity feeling.
as for me trying out the alpha last night, i had some problems of my own not being able to connect which i fixed by port forwarding port 27015 on my firewall and router and most servers just dont work and wont let you connect, i also had some issues when i was trying to change my resolution size in fullscreen while haveing two active monitors with extended desktop instead of two clones, it would flicker black and grey back and forth constantly seeming like it was going from the default resolution to my selected res, i fixed this issue by just making a one active monitor and that fixed my problem.
i knew this is an alpha and i totally didnt expect much to work and to run into lots of bugs, ill share another experience when i joined a game and it was lagging so bad that it wouldnt load me into the ready room and it seemed like i had noclip and was able to glitch around the map, it was quiet funny and i had a good laugh with the other people in the server.
Also, they haven't had anywhere near the sort of testing the got last night. Think about it, they would be testing LAN with a limited playerbase so the server problems from last night are brand new to them, and that's why we are here.
If you couldn't figure that out from the developers explicitly telling it to you, learn from your mistakes and do a little more reading the next time you shell out $20 for something.
I for one am excited about seing the game progress. Visually it looks great. The game has a long way to go, but I have no doubt
My suggestion after last nights experience:
1) Add a maximum player count to the server browser
It will stop the majority of folks who continually hammer a server and do not know its already full.
To the fanboys please stop with the "It's an Alpha"... We know it's an Alpha for crying out loud.
I thought the whole point of us being able to participate in this Alpha was so that we could find bugs and offer constructive criticism. The original poster has done this and all he's got back is fanboys telling him "it's an Alpha".
Maybe it's actually him that knows it's an Alpha instead of all these fanboys..
To the fanboys please stop with the "It's an Alpha"... We know it's an Alpha for crying out loud.
I thought the whole point of us being able to participate in this Alpha was so that we could find bugs and offer constructive criticism. The original poster has done this and all he's got back is morons telling him "it's an Alpha".
Maybe it's actually him that knows it's an Alpha instead of all these fanboys..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fanboy is such an overused word.
especially since the much heralded first poster was complaining about performance and RCON in a friggin alpha release. seriously. ignore list is gonna get pretty full this week.
Invalid point. We know it is an alpha, but it should be at least in a playable state, like being able to connect to a game and run around.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This functionality is given! In fact, many people ran around in NS2 alpha yesterday, so your point is invalid. Being not able to connect to every server is just a little bug and also caused by listenservers behind closed ports so STOP YO ###### please. Alpha = Alpha
By all means then we won't have to listen when you feel compelled to reply to a post in order to point out it's an Alpha...
The OP is pointing out things that don't work right, were supposed to being doing that are we not? Along with listing any bugs we encounter and perhaps things that could be changed in order to make the game better, things that might not have occurred to the developers for some reason or other. Maybe he could be a bit more specific with regard to the performance comment, such as listing his system specifications and how the game was performing on <b>HIS</b> system, what was happening on screen etc.
All these backseat developers telling people what an alpha should be and what should be most important.
Yeah performance is the most important thing to focus on, because you want that game to run at 90+ fps before it crashs after 2 minutes because stability is in the trashcan...
The "game" hasn't been even out for 24 hours, it's an alpha of an new engine for the first time in the wild. Of course there will be thousands of different issues. Seriously SE should have come with an brain so people are actually able to think before going "ZOMG IT'S ALPHA AND I CAN'T PLAY THIS SUCKS!!1"
Be happy that the alpha build is as rock stable as it is, usually games are riddled with CTD and memory issues even in beta and i've seen none of these so far. Game didn't crash a single time on me, it quits and starts up nice and quick. Most AAA titles don't manage that level of stability even in retail... that's allready quite an feat there.
Base is stable everything after that is way easier than working with a piece of code that constantly crashes on you.
<!--quoteo(post=1786535:date=Jul 27 2010, 07:15 PM:name=V_MAN)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V_MAN @ Jul 27 2010, 07:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786535"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->By all means then we won't have to listen when you feel compelled to reply to a post in order to point out it's an Alpha...
The OP is pointing out things that don't work right, were supposed to being doing that are we not? Along with listing any bugs we encounter and perhaps things that could be changed in order to make the game better, things that might not have occurred to the developers for some reason or other. Maybe he could be a bit more specific with regard to the performance comment, such as listing his system specifications and how the game was performing on <b>HIS</b> system, what was happening on screen etc.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The is constructive feedback and there is annoying "stating the obvious ranting", i've seen nothing of the former and lots of the latter. Also the place for feedback/bugreports is getstatisfaction and not this forum.