Uh should we have stayed with the Source Engine/Orange Box?

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  • NysikNysik Join Date: 2008-05-22 Member: 64312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786331:date=Jul 27 2010, 04:08 PM:name=Stryver)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stryver @ Jul 27 2010, 04:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786331"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"Performance should be first."

    That sentence right there shows how much of a hypocrite you are.
    Optimizing net code stability falls under that performance statement that you threw out there to try and make it like UNW have no clue what they are doing.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What?


    I have supported UNW since 2002.


    I'm simply stating fanboys should not get "hurt" because people are voicing there opinion on performance issues.


    If we are to test this, it should atleast be able to run decently, the fact is I can't even play a match without nonstop lag.. and I've entered many servers.. ontop of that with the insane FPS drops.


    "hypocrite"?

    Hah.. seriously take off your fanboy glasses.
  • catcat Join Date: 2009-06-01 Member: 67627Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->at this point who isnt against just locking down new threads?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Stop being a fascist AND a fanboy at the same time. People paid 20$ extra for alpha access, and if they cant connect to a game, they forum will be carpet bombed with bug reports and complaints. It is normal. Flayra is a professional developer and hw knows that these issues need to be fixed soon. And if they manage to sort out the connection issues with the next 2 weeks, I will still be a happy customer. But it should not take much longer.
  • TquilaTquila Join Date: 2010-02-26 Member: 70738Members, NS2 Playtester
    <!--quoteo(post=1786351:date=Jul 27 2010, 05:17 PM:name=cat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cat @ Jul 27 2010, 05:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786351"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Stop being a fascist AND a fanboy at the same time. People paid 20$ extra for alpha access, and if they cant connect to a game, they forum will be carpet bombed with bug reports and complaints. It is normal. Flayra is a professional developer and hw knows that these issues need to be fixed soon. And if they manage to sort out the connection issues with the next 2 weeks, I will still be a happy customer. But it should not take much longer.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    s'pose you should just delete your SE and wait for the beta then, huh?
  • SquishyTomatoSquishyTomato Join Date: 2005-06-27 Member: 54761Members
    Too many fanboys at the current time, best to just ignore the forums for now.

    Trolls and Fanboys.
  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786356:date=Jul 27 2010, 10:22 AM:name=Kola)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kola @ Jul 27 2010, 10:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786356"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->s'pose you should just delete your SE and wait for the beta then, huh?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    co-signed
  • catcat Join Date: 2009-06-01 Member: 67627Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->1: You payed for black armor.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, we paid for early alpha access, no one in their right mind pays 20$ for a slightly different player model.
  • Tw33kRTw33kR Join Date: 2010-07-19 Member: 72566Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786319:date=Jul 27 2010, 04:00 PM:name=cat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cat @ Jul 27 2010, 04:00 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786319"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><img src="http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e47/mynameisme12/QUITYOBTCH.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    Invalid point. We know it is an alpha, but it should be at least in a playable state, like being able to connect to a game and run around. That is basic functionality which should work already. I am ok with very bad fps, this will get better if the minimum required specs are supposed to match up on release. But having fanboys attacking people is abit annoying. So I hope they fix the server connecting issues real quick, else there will be a lot of annoyed players and an early bad impression can be a problem. I for one, was not able to connect to any game, either it stalled on connecting, or it did connect and I feel through the floor and then it froze.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Your an idiot. I was able to play with my friend and this is the alpha, first playable version of the game. Its a taste of what's going to be possible, and really shows how far they have to come before getting into beta. Most every alpha I've ever tested was unplayable, or you could barely move around. Stress tests included as well, those are horrible.
  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    edited July 2010
  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786357:date=Jul 27 2010, 10:24 AM:name=SquishyTomato)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SquishyTomato @ Jul 27 2010, 10:24 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786357"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Too many fanboys at the current time, best to just ignore the forums for now.

    Trolls and Fanboys.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    what fanboys, you do know what an ALPHA is right?


    people are coming on here complaining that something isnt working yet, writing reviews, and complaining about the engine, of a barely playable ALPHA version of a game.
  • RothgarRothgar Join Date: 2009-11-13 Member: 69372Members
    Can we stop fighting amongst a select group of people please.

    Take it into PM, this is a valid topic and there are some decent posts in this thread...

    Would be great, thanks.
  • catcat Join Date: 2009-06-01 Member: 67627Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Your an idiot. I was able to play with my friend and this is the alpha, first playable version of the game. Its a taste of what's going to be possible, and really shows how far they have to come before getting into beta. Most every alpha I've ever tested was unplayable, or you could barely move around. Stress tests included as well, those are horrible.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Until I get to successfully connect to a server, the game remains in unplayable state for me.


    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->what fanboys, you do know what an ALPHA is right?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You qualified as a fanboy just by saying this. The alpha we have is supposed to be sort of a reward for early pre-orders so we can have something to play with. it is not the internal alpha only developers are supposed to see. It is an alpha with a +20$ price tag. And for basic functionality, it needs to be playable, as in being able to join a game. I dont care if I get lagspikes or bad fps, because theses fall under "barely playable". But no connection at all means unplayable.
  • Revi.ukRevi.uk Join Date: 2010-04-12 Member: 71354Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786371:date=Jul 27 2010, 05:33 PM:name=cat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cat @ Jul 27 2010, 05:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786371"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Until I get to successfully connect to a server, the game remains in unplayable state for me.



    You qualified as a fanboy just by saying this. The alpha we have is supposed to be sort of a reward for early pre-orders so we can have something to play with. it is not the internal alpha only developers are supposed to see. It is an alpha with a +20$ price tag. And for basic functionality, it needs to be playable, as in being able to join a game. I dont care if I get lagspikes or bad fps, because theses fall under "barely playable". But no connection at all means unplayable.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    An alpha is an alpha, regardless of how you look at it. You just qualified as a troll.( see what I did there)
  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786371:date=Jul 27 2010, 10:33 AM:name=cat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cat @ Jul 27 2010, 10:33 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786371"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Until I get to successfully connect to a server, the game remains in unplayable state for me.



    You qualified as a fanboy just by saying this. The alpha we have is supposed to be sort of a reward for early pre-orders so we can have something to play with. it is not the internal alpha only developers are supposed to see. It is an alpha with a +20$ price tag. And for basic functionality, it needs to be playable, as in being able to join a game. I dont care if I get lagspikes or bad fps, because theses fall under "barely playable". But no connection at all means unplayable.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    lmao!

    the best part is you dont even realize how mind numbingly idiotic that drivel was.. you obviously should've just waited for the full game, get your money back. you are an unsatisfied customer :)


    "it is not the internal alpha only developers are supposed to see." - ROFL
  • Tw33kRTw33kR Join Date: 2010-07-19 Member: 72566Members
    usually normal people never see the alpha, most devs never release it the public in any way. This release is a way for UWE to quickly find major problems, like not being able to connect to servers. They even said in one of their tweets that they hadn't seen this before, and when i did a private passworded server with me and my friend we were playing around killing each other. Give it time jesus.
  • SkyrageSkyrage Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20249Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786371:date=Jul 27 2010, 11:33 AM:name=cat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cat @ Jul 27 2010, 11:33 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786371"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Until I get to successfully connect to a server, the game remains in unplayable state for me.



    You qualified as a fanboy just by saying this. The alpha we have is supposed to be sort of a reward for early pre-orders so we can have something to play with. it is not the internal alpha only developers are supposed to see. It is an alpha with a +20$ price tag. And for basic functionality, it needs to be playable, as in being able to join a game. I dont care if I get lagspikes or bad fps, because theses fall under "barely playable". But no connection at all means unplayable.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The alpha is a privilege - and this IS what the developers are working with. Any complaints made by anyone are utterly unwarranted at this stage. As far as I am concerned, the right to complain about anything starts first at beta.
  • Tw33kRTw33kR Join Date: 2010-07-19 Member: 72566Members
    I do not understand what people don't get about it being an Alpha version. Don't expect a finished game till it's released to retail.
  • SajSaj Join Date: 2003-01-30 Member: 12936Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1786381:date=Jul 27 2010, 05:40 PM:name=Tw33kR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tw33kR @ Jul 27 2010, 05:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786381"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I do not understand what people don't get about it being an Alpha version. Don't expect a finished game till it's released to retail.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    because people are so used to crying like little girls everytime something isnt exactly as they want it, that they arent happy unless whining about how unhappy they are with everything and everyone else.
  • Revi.ukRevi.uk Join Date: 2010-04-12 Member: 71354Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786380:date=Jul 27 2010, 05:39 PM:name=Skyrage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Skyrage @ Jul 27 2010, 05:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786380"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The alpha is a privilege - and this IS what the developers are working with. Any complaints made by anyone are utterly unwarranted at this stage. As far as I am concerned, the right to complain about anything starts first at beta.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Careful now, don't start using words like "privilege"; makes you sound like a ######. A lot of us paid for access to the alpha so we have every right to give our feedback in a constructive manner.
  • Tw33kRTw33kR Join Date: 2010-07-19 Member: 72566Members
    Correct a constructive manner is good. Crying because you paid $20 and they game isn't "Playable" isn't constructive.
  • catcat Join Date: 2009-06-01 Member: 67627Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The alpha is a privilege - and this IS what the developers are working with. Any complaints made by anyone are utterly unwarranted at this stage. As far as I am concerned, the right to complain about anything starts first at beta.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Not a privilege, not something we should be thankful for. We paid +20$ for it. And as I stated before, I am not angry at Flayra for the connection issues, I am just expressing that I hope that they will fix it soon. And for +20$ I have every right in the world to complain as much as I want on a forum of a commercial game.
    What I am getting angry over is fanboys getting impolite and acting as if I just offended their favorite prophet.
  • kababkabab Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24384Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1786338:date=Jul 28 2010, 02:14 AM:name=cat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cat @ Jul 28 2010, 02:14 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786338"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is NOT an internal alpha, it is a public alpha that people have paid for in order to get this access. Therefore it has to have the most basic features like being able to connect to a game. I would like to point that I am not angry at the NS2 developers, I am sure they are busy fixing the connection issues. But I am angry at fanboys trying to deafen any criticizm just because flayra announced on the front page that the "game is not complete yet".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->To be fair the issue we see now would have been near impossible to detect without testing of this scale.

    It's Alpha its not supposed to really work get used to it.
  • SkyrageSkyrage Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20249Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786385:date=Jul 27 2010, 11:42 AM:name=Revi.uk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Revi.uk @ Jul 27 2010, 11:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786385"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Careful now, don't start using words like "privilege"; makes you sound like a ######. A lot of us paid for access to the alpha so we have every right to give our feedback in a constructive manner.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Wrong. You paid for a full game when it is released. Whether you gain access to an alpha or beta or whatever is completely irrelevant. That bit is just as I said, nothing more than a privilege.
  • Tw33kRTw33kR Join Date: 2010-07-19 Member: 72566Members
    Besides, the main thing that $20 is going to do is hopefully ensure that there is a game released at all, or the other $20 could possibly *poof* anyways =P

    The talk of retry problems, connection loops are great.

    Cat it sounds like you really expected way too much from the first day of an Alpha release, I'm going to assume you haven't tested any other games... lol
  • catcat Join Date: 2009-06-01 Member: 67627Members
    edited July 2010
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wrong. You paid for a full game when it is released. Whether you gain access to an alpha or beta or whatever is completely irrelevant. That bit is just as I said, nothing more than a privilege.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Very relevant, actually +20$-relevant. Even the pre-order countdown last night was aimed at winning people over to pay an extra 20$ for pre-ordering. This means you are wrong and it is not a privilege.

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Cat it sounds like you really expected way too much from the first day of an Alpha release, I'm going to assume you haven't tested any other games... lol<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    All that I expect for now is a successful connection to a dedicated server.
  • Wyattx3Wyattx3 Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18386Members
    Alot of people are unable to play at the moment. I can't create a game or join a game that doesn't crash within 30 seconds. This is part of the alpha process. We have found a problem, that apparently they were unaware of. They will fix it, and we will move foward. While the hype for the alpha did make this a little dissapointing, they are trusting us to give helpful feedback.

    Let us focus on squashing this bug by giving the most helpful feedback possible, and look foward to playing the game we helped improve.
  • Tw33kRTw33kR Join Date: 2010-07-19 Member: 72566Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786399:date=Jul 27 2010, 04:48 PM:name=Wyattx3)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wyattx3 @ Jul 27 2010, 04:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786399"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Alot of people are unable to play at the moment. I can't create a game or join a game that doesn't crash within 30 seconds. This is part of the alpha process. We have found a problem, that apparently they were unaware of. They will fix it, and we will move foward. While the hype for the alpha did make this a little dissapointing, they are trusting us to give helpful feedback.

    Let us focus on squashing this bug by giving the most helpful feedback possible, and look foward to playing the game we helped improve.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    ^ This....

    and the Preorder countdown also had a discount on the normal game for anybody not wishing to help out UWE more than just buying the normal game and seeing the Beta
  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786387:date=Jul 27 2010, 10:44 AM:name=cat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cat @ Jul 27 2010, 10:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786387"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Not a privilege, not something we should be thankful for. We paid +20$ for it. And as I stated before, I am not angry at Flayra for the connection issues, I am just expressing that I hope that they will fix it soon. And for +20$ I have every right in the world to complain as much as I want on a forum of a commercial game.
    What I am getting angry over is fanboys getting impolite and acting as if I just offended their favorite prophet.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    try not attacking posters? sure you have a right to complain, but you surely know there's a better way to get feedback on the problems you're having with the game? search? hell the game has big red letters on the top left of the screen that shows you exactly where to complain about the "commercial game". no.. you just wanted to hit the forum and ######..
    Ive been able to join games and play just fine.. maybe it's your connection/hardware. I played 20 dollars to support a game I spent tons of time playing and a dev team that produced arguably the 1st or 2nd best mod ever made for HL that had incredible gameplay and stretched the engine to its limit, and far beyond it. expressing that they 'fix it soon" isnt constructive as Im pretty sure you knew the issue was already brought up.. again you just wanted to troll.
  • AaronElAaronEl Join Date: 2009-11-01 Member: 69214Members
    You're a fool if you thought you were paying 20 dollars to play the finished game before everyone else. It's comparable to creating a thread on the forums and whining that the developers haven't given you enough "eternal gratitude," and that you paid 20 dollars for it. You paid to support the team to finish the game, this is what you get, be grateful and help playtest, even by describing the problems you are having now. Once they fix those they can move on to fix gameplay. If you expected something more like a beta test, you should probably see about getting your refund.

    I'm not a fanboy - look at my post count. I never got into the first NS game much.
  • catcat Join Date: 2009-06-01 Member: 67627Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You're a fool if you thought you were paying 20 dollars to play the finished game before everyone else.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Read my posts again.
  • yourbonesakinyourbonesakin Join Date: 2005-08-06 Member: 57682Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1786299:date=Jul 27 2010, 10:47 AM:name=mynameisme)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mynameisme @ Jul 27 2010, 10:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786299"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Deploying face palm
    <img src="http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e47/mynameisme12/QUITYOBTCH.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    Face palm deployed<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Lol.

    Pretty much this.

    It's an alpha. If you wanted to play instead of bugtest you're an idiot. If you thought you'd have a playable game AT ALL or expected a playable framerate or expected a playable latency or expected the game not to crash on DAY ONE OF AN ALPHA.... Your immense idiocy deserves historic mention.

    Having everyone bugtest helps make the game more playable.

    The devs have decided to GIVE YOU EARLY ACCESS. They are GIVING YOU SOMETHING. They could have not given you this. They could have waited until the netcode and latency and framerate were all fixed and perfect. Instead they are letting you in earlier to bugtest and help fix the problems you don't like. Why you are whining about getting access earlier than expected, I have no clue. How the warnings of unplayability both explicit and implicit escaped your senses, I have no idea.

    Perhaps you just didn't know what "Alpha" meant when you paid your $20 extra for it. If that's the case, I'm truly sorry and I hope you do more research next time so you don't get disappointed. Unfortunately nothing can be done now.
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