So I finally got around to beating MGS1 and 2 back-to-back.

TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
edited October 2007 in Off-Topic
When I was 13 I bought MGS for PSX, loved and adored it, then my second disc stopped working, never beat the game. When MGS2 came out I got a ways into it but never beat it. So I had MGS2 and 3 in my game shelf, and found Twin Snakes for GC for $20, and picked it up. Beat 1 and 2 back to back.

Why did anyone love MGS2? Wow. It ruined almost everything that was great about MGS and added all kinds of stupid supernatural crap like Vamp, Fortune, and Ocelot's new arm. Not to mention Rose. Raiden was tolerable, but Rose was horrible. The game barely had any boss battles, and even with the disgusting amount of FMV and codec calls, it only took me 11 hours with no walk-throughs used.

I might play through MGS3 even though I hate the camera in it, but at least I know it's not as retarded as MGS2. Besides, The Sorrow is cool. Maybe MGS4 will be better.
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  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    edited October 2007
    I thought this was a thread about beating a monosodiumglutamate addiction before I came in.

    <!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->Until Scythe fixed the topic.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
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  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    If you get MGS3 make sure to get Subsistance. The camera makes it easier, but playing the old way (you can actually still enable the old camera) will make you want to kill yourself. Picture the MGS2 camera, except in wide open forests, where you can't see crap, and by the time you see an enemy its too late. The new camera is the only reason I was able to do a no kill no alerts run through.

    Did I mention it is also a frickin amazing game?
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  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    I own MGS3, I know. I can't find Subsistence ever. ###### sux,
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  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    You could always try online:

    <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-3-Subsistence/dp/B000BXKA38/ref=pd_bbs_5/002-9637653-5632806?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1192310595&sr=8-5" target="_blank">MGS3: Substance</a>

    I loved MGS1, when I played it years upon years ago, but when I went through MGS2 I thought "wow this is pretty bad." Fatman and Vamp were some of the lamest characters I've had to dispose of. Never got around to 3, probably should.
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  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    edited October 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1655811:date=Oct 13 2007, 01:16 PM:name=Testament)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ Oct 13 2007, 01:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1655811"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->When I was 13 I bought MGS for PSX, loved and adored it, then my second disc stopped working, never beat the game. When MGS2 came out I got a ways into it but never beat it. So I had MGS2 and 3 in my game shelf, and found Twin Snakes for GC for $20, and picked it up. Beat 1 and 2 back to back.

    Why did anyone love MGS2? Wow. It ruined almost everything that was great about MGS and added all kinds of stupid supernatural crap like Vamp, Fortune, and Ocelot's new arm. Not to mention Rose. Raiden was tolerable, but Rose was horrible. The game barely had any boss battles, and even with the disgusting amount of FMV and codec calls, it only took me 11 hours with no walk-throughs used.

    I might play through MGS3 even though I hate the camera in it, but at least I know it's not as retarded as MGS2. Besides, The Sorrow is cool. Maybe MGS4 will be better.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Did you mentally block out Psycho Mantis, Vulcan Raven and Liquid Snake or something? Not to mention that the Cobra Unit is ten times as dumb as anything in either of the first two games.

    Besides, you're doing it wrong. The correct way to play MGS2 is to pretend that "Missions" is the only option in the main menu.
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  • RuByRuBy Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10732Members
    I recently replayed MGS1 as well. I found that the gameplay and even graphics had aged very gracefully and that some of the features were way ahead of their time. Still, some things that I accepted when I was 12 years old seem completely silly now: "I'm moving your controller with the power of my MIIIIND" *rumble*rumble*rumble*
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  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    How was Liquid Supernatural in MGS1? Or Vulcan Raven for that matter. He was spiritual, but hardly supernatural. Psycho Mantis I guess, but he wasn't lame and far-fetched like the MGS2 ones.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1655831:date=Oct 13 2007, 05:02 PM:name=Testament)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ Oct 13 2007, 05:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1655831"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How was Liquid Supernatural in MGS1? Or Vulcan Raven for that matter. He was spiritual, but hardly supernatural. Psycho Mantis I guess, but he wasn't lame and far-fetched like the MGS2 ones.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah, Pyscho Mantis wasn't lame and far-fetched. Just lame. "I CAN SEE YOUR MEEEEEEMORY CAAARD!"

    I actually played it on PC so yeah, he didn't do that, but still. Come on.
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  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1655831:date=Oct 13 2007, 03:02 PM:name=Testament)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ Oct 13 2007, 03:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1655831"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How was Liquid Supernatural in MGS1? Or Vulcan Raven for that matter. He was spiritual, but hardly supernatural. Psycho Mantis I guess, but he wasn't lame and far-fetched like the MGS2 ones.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Liquid survived a helicopter crash that would've killed the terminator, dozens of rockets to the face, a brutal fist fight, a 20 meter fall, hundreds of armour piercing bullets to the face (again!), and a car crash, all in the same day. The fact that they didn't try to use some supernatural excuse for this only made it even more ridiculous, especially in a game with magical shamans and floating psychics. Vulcan Raven carried a 170kg gun around and could turn into a flock of ravens at will.

    And what is it about vampirism or sci-fi doodads (Fortune) that makes them more "lame and far-fetched" than mind reading or telekinesis?

    There are a lot of valid complaints about the series as a whole, but MGS2 didn't commit any crimes that MGS hadn't already, especially when you take the mind-bogglingly retarded cutscenes of Twin Snakes into account.
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  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1655832:date=Oct 13 2007, 04:25 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Oct 13 2007, 04:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1655832"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, Pyscho Mantis wasn't lame and far-fetched. Just lame. "I CAN SEE YOUR MEEEEEEMORY CAAARD!"

    I actually played it on PC so yeah, he didn't do that, but still. Come on.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Everything Psycho Mantis did to break the fourth wall was awesome.
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  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1655831:date=Oct 14 2007, 12:02 AM:name=Testament)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ Oct 14 2007, 12:02 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1655831"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->[...]Or Vulcan Raven for that matter. He was spiritual, but hardly supernatural.[...]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There's a difference? Well, except you can claim to communicate with the spirits and such without ever having to do anything to prove it because those who doubt you are not in tune with the spirits enough to see the truth.
    I guess it's true that Raven never actually did anything supernatural. He didn't TURN into a flock of ravens, he got EATEN by a flock of ravens. And all his spirit talk may have been either delusional ramblings or a deliberate act to unnerve and unsettle his opponent and disrupt his concentration.
    170kg is only 20kg heavier than Heavy Weapons Guy's "Sasha." Nobody's calling him supernatural.
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  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    MGS3 was fine with it's camera, learn2firstperson. I enjoyed it so much more because I had to actually utilize something that was borderline useless in the previous two games.
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  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    I think it's just a matter of how much of it there was. Many characters survive way more than they should be able to take, including Snake, hardly supernatural. There was this entire annoying element to Fortune and Vamp. Vamp gets shot in the head and comes back to life in moments? Then he floats around and swims in water that's apparently buoyency-less? Not to mention Fortune doing the dumb "ha ha you don't have bullet immunity" "HAHA YES I DO I SUMMON MY SORROW AND DEFLECT UR MISSILEZ".

    It was just annoying. Vulcan Raven was awesome in MGS1, and it was somewhat more subtle. Psycho Mantis was such a great character, too. Fortune and Vamp were barely characters at all. My biggest complaint with MGS2 was actually the fact there was little character development, and none of the bosses had any interesting backstories and such.
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  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    Phil Lamarr (Marvin from Pulp Fiction/Hermes from Futurama) did the voice for Vamp, that's pretty awesome.
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  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    I made a diagram of how to do it right:

    <img src="http://pulsaris.googlepages.com/mgs2vr100.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    Didn't buy Substance, senor.
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  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1655943:date=Oct 14 2007, 10:57 AM:name=Testament)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ Oct 14 2007, 10:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1655943"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Didn't buy Substance, senor.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You bought the wrong game!
    Game Over.

    Try again? (Y/N)

    >
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  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1655950:date=Oct 14 2007, 11:24 AM:name=Pulse)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pulse @ Oct 14 2007, 11:24 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1655950"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You bought the wrong game!
    Game Over.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Truth.
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  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Without the MGS2 "campaign," we wouldn't have "Fission Mailed." How would we have lived this long without Fission Mailed? How would the world have managed? HOW?!
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  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1656369:date=Oct 16 2007, 03:31 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Oct 16 2007, 03:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1656369"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Without the MGS2 "campaign," we wouldn't have "Fission Mailed." How would we have lived this long without Fission Mailed? How would the world have managed? HOW?!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <img src="http://pulsaris.googlepages.com/ohnoesmg.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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  • PrefixPrefix Éirinn go Brách Join Date: 2006-12-31 Member: 59353Members, Constellation
    the part of mgs2 where the cornal tells you to turn your ps2 off was so stupid.

    So stupid.

    Oh and ya MGSONE FTW.
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  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1656379:date=Oct 17 2007, 02:00 AM:name=Prefix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Prefix @ Oct 17 2007, 02:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1656379"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->the part of mgs2 where the cornal tells you to turn your ps2 off was so stupid.

    So stupid.

    Oh and ya MGSONE FTW.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You obeyed, didn't you?
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  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    Almost as dumb as the colonel telling you to switch plugs with your controller in MGS1 or how psycho mantis reads your memory card, right?

    I wish they stuck with the tanker incident for MGS2 and never switched over to Raiden. I kind of liked the plot, just not the characters.
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  • PrefixPrefix Éirinn go Brách Join Date: 2006-12-31 Member: 59353Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1656380:date=Oct 17 2007, 01:06 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Oct 17 2007, 01:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1656380"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You obeyed, didn't you?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Lol - no I didn't, it was just dumb.
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  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1656410:date=Oct 17 2007, 12:56 AM:name=Prefix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Prefix @ Oct 17 2007, 12:56 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1656410"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Lol - no I didn't, it was just dumb.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It's ok to admit it. We won't judge you.
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  • OmegamanOmegaman Join Date: 2004-01-11 Member: 25239Members
    Hehehehe. Cornal Campbell.


    Hahaha. Hahahahahaha! Cornal! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    I thought I knew something about this franchise, but threads like this make me realize how wrong I am.

    I played through the tanker half of MGS2 and then fizzled out. there were like 2 characters in it - where did all these others come from? I recognize exactly 1 person in this photoshop I stoled from a TF2 photoshop thread:

    <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/spi/ps/metal-fortress.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1656798:date=Oct 19 2007, 09:25 AM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Oct 19 2007, 09:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1656798"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I thought I knew something about this franchise, but threads like this make me realize how wrong I am.

    I played through the tanker half of MGS2 and then fizzled out. there were like 2 characters in it - where did all these others come from? I recognize exactly 1 person in this photoshop I stoled from a TF2 photoshop thread:

    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The only character from MGS2 in that picture is fatman (replacing the demoman).
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  • BreakthroughBreakthrough Texture Artist (ns_prometheus) Join Date: 2005-03-27 Member: 46620Members, Constellation
    I agree with the supernatural bull****. I think it ruined an amazingly good story line, and was pointless to add to the story.

    Ah well, even MGS4 has it... It'll still be good though.
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  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    edited October 2007
    The triangle button is your friend.

    also, left->right:
    - The Fury
    - Otacon
    - The End
    - Snake
    - Vulcan Raven
    - Fatman
    - Para-Medic
    - Cyborg Ninja (Gray Fox)
    - Sentry #32768
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