Playing NS on mac OSX! It works!
burton87
Join Date: 2007-06-15 Member: 61261Members
Join Date: 2007-06-15 Member: 61261Members
Hey guys, I'm not trying to start a mac/pc war, but my only downside about being on a mac was not being able to play NS.
Now a program called 'crossovers', lets you install windows apps on an intel-based mac without using the windows operating system.
For those who care.
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Now a program called 'crossovers', lets you install windows apps on an intel-based mac without using the windows operating system.
For those who care.
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The question is how well does it play? And how enjoyable is that 1-button mouse?
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haha i knew that was coming, i have a two button mouse and it runs perfectly
The major advantage of Parallels is that nothing is emulated, everytihng just runs natively.
I couldn't find much info on Crosovers, any knowledge about how it works? (is it emulating Windows?)
Anyway, this is another example of the smart move Apple made when they moved their user interface onto a Unix-like operating system.
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It would be a good idea for the devs to ship this Crossover program with NS2; it would let the few folks who have Mac to play this game and ultimately have more income for the dev team. That's assuming they can get the permission of the CodeWeavers company (shouldn't be hard) and Valve (that might be tricky). If not they can just post instructions somewhere on how to get NS2 on a Mac (the forums maybe?).
Nice! Now I can play NS on this Mac I'm using right now <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />.
It would be a good idea for the devs to ship this Crossover program with NS2; it would let the few folks who have Mac to play this game and ultimately have more income for the dev team. That's assuming they can get the permission of the CodeWeavers company (shouldn't be hard) and Valve (that might be tricky). If not they can just post instructions somewhere on how to get NS2 on a Mac (the forums maybe?).
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Both Cedega and Crossover require a paid membership.
I didn't have the chance to take screenshots of fighting a lerk in Machina, but here are some Shiva screenshots I took a few minutes ago just to please you:
*NOTE* This is NS running in Gentoo Linux using Wine.
*NOTE* It is normally brighter than what we see on the screenshots, thanks to NS's super gamma boost thingy. Brighter than in my Windows version...
*NOTE* Yeah, I know, I can't aim ^^
<a href="http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NSonLinux_IngameShiva1.jpg" target="_blank">http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NS...ngameShiva1.jpg</a>
<a href="http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NSonLinux_IngameShiva2.jpg" target="_blank">http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NS...ngameShiva2.jpg</a>
<a href="http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NSonLinux_IngameShiva3.jpg" target="_blank">http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NS...ngameShiva3.jpg</a>
<a href="http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NSonLinux_IngameShiva4.jpg" target="_blank">http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NS...ngameShiva4.jpg</a>
<a href="http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NSonLinux_IngameShiva5.jpg" target="_blank">http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NS...ngameShiva5.jpg</a>
I actually play in windowed mode to be able to quickly switch from one desktop to another. Here's how it looks like:
<a href="http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NSonLinux_DesktopView1.jpg" target="_blank">http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NS...esktopView1.jpg</a>
<a href="http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NSonLinux_DesktopView2.jpg" target="_blank">http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NS...esktopView2.jpg</a>
8.3 fps, loooooool...
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LOL hahahaha, I didn't notice that ^^
That FPS drop was due to the screenshot application starting as I pressed PrintScreen. Nice little app, yet it interfered with the game a little ^^
Here are some "normal"(non-Desktop) screenshots from the same session with normal FPS <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> :
<a href="http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NSonLinux_Machina1.jpg" target="_blank">http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NS...ux_Machina1.jpg</a>
<a href="http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NSonLinux_Machina2.jpg" target="_blank">http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NS...ux_Machina2.jpg</a>
<a href="http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NSonLinux_Machina3.jpg" target="_blank">http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NS...ux_Machina3.jpg</a>
<a href="http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NSonLinux_Machina4.jpg" target="_blank">http://louisfortier.ca/upload/NSonLinux/NS...ux_Machina4.jpg</a>
Speaking of performance, I don't really recommend Wine (Crossover's free alternative) for recent games, unless you like pain or something...
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Unfortunately Parallels only recently supports 3D graphics, and not very well at that. It reportedly officially supports HL2 and CS1.6; however many users have had complaints about non-full support. Parallels also requires you to purchase a separate copy of Windows OS (whereas CrossOver does not).
I've tried both CrossOver & Parallels, and by far CrossOver is the way to go if you want basic 3D gaming support on OS X. The best of course is BootCamp; however, you do need to purchase Windows & you cannot use OS X simultaneously.
I have not tried Cedega nor VMWare Fusion.
I am assuming by the high framerate you get that you are on a desktop machine.
CrossOver = $30
Parallels = $80 + $Windows
BootCamp = Free + $Windows
Cheers.
I've tried playing NS in Linux, but I haven't been able to get microphone to work well, and FPS isn't very stable.
WintendoXP for gaming :3
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OMG! Please my work is demoing Macs to PC users and 100% of my user is shocked by OS X and Mac hardware. So stop please sto this nosense, i didn't hear that from switching pc resellers. I have a 6 mouse button and default Mac muse has 5 buttons plus scroll both up and down and left and right.
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Yes i created times ago a thread on these forums about crossover. It is still a little unstable, ok for a pc user but for a Mac point of view it need a little work. Anyway works better than on PC :-D Crossover is really promising.
Crossover 7 will give some cool features probably a new interfaces not based on X11 (and fix to scroll and other problems).
Yes even run HL2 very nice in lastest update.
Anyway thanks to Cider Valve could create a NATIVE Mac Steam without spedinng time and money. Check Cider it is really promising too.
A native versione would be welcome because OS X is currently the fastest platform for games (thank to technology like multithreading open gl) as demoed by Blizzard some months ago.
Regarding CROSSOVER speed: it flies on every Mac intel i've tried even lastest MacMini.
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OMG! Please my work is demoing Macs to PC users and 100% of my user is shocked by OS X and mac hardware. So stop please sto this nosense, i dindn't hear that from switching pc resellers. I have a 6 mouse button and default mac muse has 5 buttons plus scroll both up and down and left and right.
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Yes i created times ago a thread on these forums about crossover. It is still a little unstable, ok for a pc user but for a mac point of view it need a little work. Anyway works better than on PC :-D Crossover is really promising.
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Don't worry, it's just hip to make fun of macs. There's some sort of hierarchy in computer users: Linux users make fun of Windows users, who make fun of Mac users.
Don't worry, it's just hip to make fun of macs. There's some sort of hierarchy in computer users: Linux users make fun of Windows users, who make fun of Mac users.
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Which explains the Mac adverts poking fun at Windows huh? Your logic is twoddle.
Thanx for the Linux in-game screen shots but I wanted to see it running in Mac..
Keep up the good work!
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It's a different OS than Linux or Windows. I'm wondering if the HL engine can run fluidly without Windows API's and supporting graphics cards. This is important if it works because it opens NS and potentially NS2 to new markets.
It's a different OS than Linux or Windows. I'm wondering if the HL engine can run fluidly without Windows API's and supporting graphics cards. This is important if it works because it opens NS and potentially NS2 to new markets.
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Well, according to Crossover's website:
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Running Wine or CrossOver: Unlike emulation, Wine is a re-implementation of the Win32 API, allowing applications to run as if natively on the target OS. CrossOver is a commercialized version of Wine.
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So the OP's Half-Life engine doesn't run "without" Windows API, but with a legally re-implented one. Ok I know I'm being picky on the words here, but the point is Windows still has its word to say in all that, so any Windows-designed application not running on the native API is often bound to have performance, compatibility and/or responsiveness problems. While this may not be very noticeable with the Half-Life engine thanks to full OpenGL support, it's a different story when it comes to newer Direct3D-only (or whatever it's now called) games. I'm not saying you'll run Half-Life 2 with 2.35fps, but I fear performances will not be equal to the ones you'd get on Windows.
Some benchmarks if you're interested: <a href="http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMark-0.9.5" target="_blank">http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMark-0.9.5</a> (I know it's WINE and not Crossover, but since Crossover uses WINE as core with an extra compatibility layer, I guess results should be similar.)
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OMG! Please my work is demoing Macs to PC users and 100% of my user is shocked by OS X and mac hardware. So stop please sto this nosense, i dindn't hear that from switching pc resellers. I have a 6 mouse button and default mac muse has 5 buttons plus scroll both up and down and left and right.
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Yes i created times ago a thread on these forums about crossover. It is still a little unstable, ok for a pc user but for a mac point of view it need a little work. Anyway works better than on PC :-D Crossover is really promising.
Crossover 7 will give some cool features probably a new interfaces not based on X11 (and fix to scroll and other problems).
Yes even run HL2 very nice in lastest update.
Anyway thanks to Cider Valve could create a NATIVE Mac Steam without spedinng time and money. Check Cider it is really promising too.
A native versione woul be welcome because OS X is currently the fastest platform for games (thank to technology like multithreading open gl) as demoed by Blizzard some months ago.
Regarding CROSSOVER speed: it flies on every Mac intel i've tried even lastest MacMini.
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So whats your fps in HL2 since you said it runs smooth. And explain to me what makes a mac so great(not trying to flame, I really wanna know).
So whats your fps in HL2 since you said it runs smooth. And explain to me what makes a mac so great(not trying to flame, I really wanna know).
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