Well for one, the main reason I didn't want a mac is because I couldn't play NS. Now I could, seeing as the (few) games I do play can apparently run fluidly on MacOS.
Now comes the reverse question, what makes Windows so great? Apart from the fact that every game seems to be made for PC and only a few have mac versions and that it's much easier to upgrade your PC hardware, there's no reason as to why one would favor Windows I guess. (I'm not considering professional use)
I just need to say that this is kickass, even though I don't know enough about non-Windows to really understand it. I just know it's pretty damn awesome <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1637557:date=Jul 5 2007, 09:01 PM:name=Emanon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Emanon @ Jul 5 2007, 09:01 PM) [snapback]1637557[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> This will save NS! Keep up the good work! <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you need screenshots of NS running on OS X, just ask me (i don't remember who asked for it).
Maybe this weekend if i have time i will post one in this thread.
PS: Crossover performance can really be boosted in some ways. For example Crossover could use OpenGL multithread, or simply letting the game run in one core and Crossover and Win API on another one.... since some Macs has even 8 core lol :-P
Regarding Cider.... already some title has reached OS X like Battefield 2142
It show NS in window mode. No gamma setting in window mode as far i know so NS is a bit dark. to take the screenshot i lowered resolution (to show it is in window mode), but usually it runs at this speed (60-90 fps) at 1680x1050. To balance low resolution i run other application as well, in this screens you can see Safari, iTunes playingin in the background an aac, QuickTime playing HD video of WOW expansion. CPU was abou 45%.
Another reason that has been quoted is that Valve wanted too much money from the company who would be porting the software.
BTW Can anyone explain who to get Steam running with Crossover, while we're at it? I decided to give it a shot, but it does not seem to be finding the network.
Crossover DOES work on Mac, but I found a lot of issues with my mouse pointer acting funny while playing CS. Undoubtedly, it will also affect other Steam games. Also, as not everyone has the $$ to purchase a MacPro or even a high-end MacBook Pro, you will take a performance hit running through Parallels or Crossover. (Less so on Crossover I think, but I forget the Benchmarks).
To say that Parallels runs things natively, is misleading to everyone. Parallels has issues with Steam and almost every 3D game (tons more than Crossover has), regardless of what it's official compatibility list states. Not to mention it partitions off a certain amount of RAM for the Virtual Machine.
The only way to go for gaming is to use BootCamp & buy a copy of Vista (since XP is no longer sold in stores afaik). I have a MBP 15" & a 17" and a MacPro with 5Gigs of RAM and a spiffy vid card. The only way I play games is through BootCamp; anything else has large compromises to quality &/or performance.
With Apple's PC market share slowly growing and with the switch to Intel, I expect more compatibility to come though.
ooooh, this is pretty exciting. And here I thought I was gonna have to buy a windows box again for the NS2 release.
For those using crossovers out there, what is the functionality and speed of the program when working with other resource intensive applications? Specifically I am interested in CAD, math/stats or GIS functionality. We use bootcamp in our group because parallels and others are hella slow (and sometimes quirky), so I'm hoping this is an elegant soution beyond just playing games.
<!--quoteo(post=1637409:date=Jul 4 2007, 11:22 AM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thaldarin @ Jul 4 2007, 11:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1637409"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Which explains the Mac adverts poking fun at Windows huh? Your logic is twoddle.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whenever they make fun of "how boring pc is" I alway imagine they're talking about linux, since, ya know, like all the games (the good ones in my opinion) are on windows.
That opinion aside, for just a hair over a year now I've been running Ubuntu on my good ol'comp that I first started playing "online first person shooters" (read that in a deep menacing action trailer voice) with. Yes, I just broke up that sentence and made you forget what I was talking about with the use of my parenthesis, but honestly, the fact that this explanation is here may be due to my head exploding from watching every other episode of Zero Punctuation back to back. All this is despite my obvious use of punctuation, but if you are reading this, you can imagine that in my head I'm using the voice that belongs to the guy with a sweet hat and a chip on his shoulder.
Right. Enough of that.
As of this summer, I started, wait. I'm still typing, err thinking with that voice. And... ... ... stop. Okay, so yeah, I dun been usin' that thar ubuntar for a year now. This summer, I had to move out of my parents basement and get a job. This left me with a predicament. Do I leave the moderately nice, though originally bought for my mom, XP running, relatively new, now brandishing the videocard I bought so I could run Half Life 2 on my old computer, computer, or my old, running the original TNT2 POS vid card, on a very unfamiliar operating system that can't be updated because dial up sucks when your operating system has no actual modem drivers that don't suck, computer?
Get to the point.
Anyway, so yeah. I've been pretty much playing ns over wine on the original hardware that stomped all my friends (except the tnt2. I didn't know better, honest.) back when counter strike still had bunny hopping and other memorable things. I've got more ram now and a bigger hard drive being the only difference.
Suffice to say, after a bit of fiddling to get the blasted thing to work, I'd say it works just a hair slower than it did then, particularly in large battles. Overall, it isn't bad though. And I imagine if I was running it through WON instead of Steam, it would be even better, possibly to the point of being downright comparable. Okay, that stupid voice has now consumed me and I now must leave.
*cue short clip of popular old song with humorous credit comments
<!--quoteo(post=1657027:date=Oct 21 2007, 10:32 AM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thaldarin @ Oct 21 2007, 10:32 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1657027"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->For those using crossovers out there, what is the functionality and speed of the program when working with other resource intensive applications? Specifically I am interested in CAD, math/stats or GIS functionality. We use bootcamp in our group because parallels and others are hella slow (and sometimes quirky), so I'm hoping this is an elegant soution beyond just playing games.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To better answer the question, naming a few programs specifically would be useful. Because different programs make different assumptions and optimisations, it is hard to answer this as a general question - also in certain cases there may even be an equivalent program. Also, what sort of system do you have in mind? Mac Pro (desktop, Xeon based system) or a MacBook Pro (portable, Core 2 Duo based system).
I used to run Steam+Wine and Steam+Cedega back then in 1.04-2.01 at times. Let's say it was possible, it had lots of glitches (less on cedega) and fps wasn't that good but I'm sure it will be relatively good on new pcs. I even got the Cheating Death wrappers in C but never got them fully working. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
On Apple side of life I think you got that software, FusionX and of course using Windows XP natively on Intel macs if you got one.
<!--quoteo(post=1660656:date=Nov 15 2007, 12:10 PM:name=Jiriki)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jiriki @ Nov 15 2007, 12:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1660656"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I used to run Steam+Wine and Steam+Cedega back then in 1.04-2.01 at times. Let's say it was possible, it had lots of glitches (less on cedega) and fps wasn't that good but I'm sure it will be relatively good on new pcs. I even got the Cheating Death wrappers in C but never got them fully working. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
On Apple side of life I think you got that software, FusionX and of course using Windows XP natively on Intel macs if you got one.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The reason that solutions such as CrossOver are so appealing is that they reduce the need to boot into another operating system. When I tried the other night the only thing that was an issue were too many servers only having bots <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> You know that maybe its time to move on, when the servers are empty.
The next NS release is now being developed as a standalone application, so I would be curious to know if the devs would be willing to make a native Mac port, if there were Mac developers willing to volunteer to do the work?
Edit: Unless Valve ports the 'source engine' I don't think this is doable and from what I have heard Valve doesn't make the terms, for a third-party porter, very appealing. So even with willing contributors NS side, everything depends on Valve's attitude.
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Now comes the reverse question, what makes Windows so great? Apart from the fact that every game seems to be made for PC and only a few have mac versions and that it's much easier to upgrade your PC hardware, there's no reason as to why one would favor Windows I guess. (I'm not considering professional use)
This will save NS!
Keep up the good work!
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NS doesn't need saving.
Maybe this weekend if i have time i will post one in this thread.
PS: Crossover performance can really be boosted in some ways. For example Crossover could use OpenGL multithread, or simply letting the game run in one core and Crossover and Win API on another one.... since some Macs has even 8 core lol :-P
Regarding Cider.... already some title has reached OS X like Battefield 2142
<a href="http://www.apple.com/games/articles/2007/06/ea/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/games/articles/2007/06/ea/</a>
It show NS in window mode. No gamma setting in window mode as far i know so NS is a bit dark.
to take the screenshot i lowered resolution (to show it is in window mode), but usually it runs at this speed (60-90 fps) at 1680x1050. To balance low resolution i run other application as well, in this screens you can see Safari, iTunes playingin in the background an aac, QuickTime playing HD video of WOW expansion. CPU was abou 45%.
<a href="http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/tuncersblog.php?ID=111" target="_blank">http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/tun...blog.php?ID=111</a>
<a href="http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/tuncersblog.php?ID=111" target="_blank">http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/tun...blog.php?ID=111</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Another reason that has been quoted is that Valve wanted too much money from the company who would be porting the software.
BTW Can anyone explain who to get Steam running with Crossover, while we're at it? I decided to give it a shot, but it does not seem to be finding the network.
EDIT: Never mind works now
To say that Parallels runs things natively, is misleading to everyone. Parallels has issues with Steam and almost every 3D game (tons more than Crossover has), regardless of what it's official compatibility list states. Not to mention it partitions off a certain amount of RAM for the Virtual Machine.
The only way to go for gaming is to use BootCamp & buy a copy of Vista (since XP is no longer sold in stores afaik). I have a MBP 15" & a 17" and a MacPro with 5Gigs of RAM and a spiffy vid card. The only way I play games is through BootCamp; anything else has large compromises to quality &/or performance.
With Apple's PC market share slowly growing and with the switch to Intel, I expect more compatibility to come though.
Cheers,
-Me
For those using crossovers out there, what is the functionality and speed of the program when working with other resource intensive applications? Specifically I am interested in CAD, math/stats or GIS functionality. We use bootcamp in our group because parallels and others are hella slow (and sometimes quirky), so I'm hoping this is an elegant soution beyond just playing games.
Whenever they make fun of "how boring pc is" I alway imagine they're talking about linux, since, ya know, like all the games (the good ones in my opinion) are on windows.
That opinion aside, for just a hair over a year now I've been running Ubuntu on my good ol'comp that I first started playing "online first person shooters" (read that in a deep menacing action trailer voice) with. Yes, I just broke up that sentence and made you forget what I was talking about with the use of my parenthesis, but honestly, the fact that this explanation is here may be due to my head exploding from watching every other episode of Zero Punctuation back to back. All this is despite my obvious use of punctuation, but if you are reading this, you can imagine that in my head I'm using the voice that belongs to the guy with a sweet hat and a chip on his shoulder.
Right. Enough of that.
As of this summer, I started, wait. I'm still typing, err thinking with that voice. And... ... ... stop. Okay, so yeah, I dun been usin' that thar ubuntar for a year now. This summer, I had to move out of my parents basement and get a job. This left me with a predicament. Do I leave the moderately nice, though originally bought for my mom, XP running, relatively new, now brandishing the videocard I bought so I could run Half Life 2 on my old computer, computer, or my old, running the original TNT2 POS vid card, on a very unfamiliar operating system that can't be updated because dial up sucks when your operating system has no actual modem drivers that don't suck, computer?
Get to the point.
Anyway, so yeah. I've been pretty much playing ns over wine on the original hardware that stomped all my friends (except the tnt2. I didn't know better, honest.) back when counter strike still had bunny hopping and other memorable things. I've got more ram now and a bigger hard drive being the only difference.
Suffice to say, after a bit of fiddling to get the blasted thing to work, I'd say it works just a hair slower than it did then, particularly in large battles. Overall, it isn't bad though. And I imagine if I was running it through WON instead of Steam, it would be even better, possibly to the point of being downright comparable. Okay, that stupid voice has now consumed me and I now must leave.
*cue short clip of popular old song with humorous credit comments
To better answer the question, naming a few programs specifically would be useful. Because different programs make different assumptions and optimisations, it is hard to answer this as a general question - also in certain cases there may even be an equivalent program. Also, what sort of system do you have in mind? Mac Pro (desktop, Xeon based system) or a MacBook Pro (portable, Core 2 Duo based system).
On Apple side of life I think you got that software, FusionX and of course using Windows XP natively on Intel macs if you got one.
On Apple side of life I think you got that software, FusionX and of course using Windows XP natively on Intel macs if you got one.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The reason that solutions such as CrossOver are so appealing is that they reduce the need to boot into another operating system. When I tried the other night the only thing that was an issue were too many servers only having bots <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> You know that maybe its time to move on, when the servers are empty.
The next NS release is now being developed as a standalone application, so I would be curious to know if the devs would be willing to make a native Mac port, if there were Mac developers willing to volunteer to do the work?
Edit: Unless Valve ports the 'source engine' I don't think this is doable and from what I have heard Valve doesn't make the terms, for a third-party porter, very appealing. So even with willing contributors NS side, everything depends on Valve's attitude.