People Calling Me Newbie >_<:
JuNy
Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9927Members
Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9927Members
<div class="IPBDescription">is it me or them?</div> okay. I want to ask you peoples' opinions. Some people calling me newbie because i just run off going on suicide missions. I always go alone to the second hive when the marines already secure the first. I felt that i bothering the aliens by attacking the second and preventing them from getting fades. I almost got the hive >_<: until the aliens begin guarding it. Other fellow teammates and the commander called me a newbie for my actions in the beginning. I killed at least one alien each respawn ( thank god for my cs skills ^^<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I got **obscenity** because i don't want camp in the base as many of them did or run around the map. I know teamwork is necessary. Staying in the main base asking commander for welders and shotguns is a waste of resources in the beginning.
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When I feel I gotta do the right thing ... and if the right thing means disobeying orders ... I DO IT <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But if you just end up failing every time (one alien kill per death is not evidence of success) you may want to rethink your plan, or at least get someone to go with you.
the game came out about one month ago. EVERYBODY is a n00b.
Edit: with the exception of playtesters.
the game came out about one month ago. EVERYBODY is a n00b.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
n00b has nothing to do with time. It has to do with skill.
People calling others "n00b" is so comically stupid it makes me laugh. First of all, everyone is new at this and secondly it's just used to make the person saying it feel/look better by showing up the "offender". "l33t" speak will follow shortly I fear.
the game came out about one month ago. EVERYBODY is a n00b.
Edit: with the exception of playtesters.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not a pt, and I'm not a noob.
Generally, I would say that if your commander *is* issuing orders and seems to have some kind of strategy that he's employing, then you deserve to be rebuked for running off on what is without a doubt a suicide mission. 1 kill per death is not commendable by any stretch; in fact, it does absolutely nothing if you're just shooting Skulks. It could even hurt your team if the 1-man difference that you represent could have turned the tide where the rest of them were fighting.
If you're waiting for an order, use your popup menu to request one. Only do this ONCE - your commander will hopefully notice. Think of it like ringing the doorbell... ringing it repeatedly just ticks off the people inside. If it doesn't work, ask him/your team where you should be - someone will likely direct you to the main marine force, or to an outpost or resource tower. Whenever I join a game, the first words out of my mouth are "Hey boys, where's the party at?" Quick way to find out where you're most needed.
If you still can't get an order, your commander may be tied up elswhere... if that's the case, there are two ways to help your team best. One is to scout for an available resource node; the other is to make your way to a hive without detection and then inform your commander that you're in position for a siege or phase gate. Another possibility is to go around killing alien resource nodes, though you will generally be found before you can finish one off.
Generally, do everything you can to stay with the team - a lone marine is just a walking porkchop. If your commander gives you a waypoint, for the love of Flayra follow it! Rambo tactics pretty much never work in NS; teamwork, especially on the marine side, is absolutely required.
When I feel I gotta do the right thing ... and if the right thing means disobeying orders ... I DO IT <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ya! What has to be done, <i>has</i> to be done!
Sometimes you can also manage to take out a hive alone, if the aliens are too stupid to either have defensive chambers close to the hive or heal it. It usually takes a few runs but I think that's worth it.
Once I was camping under the bridge in maintenance waiting for the aliens to put up their 3rd hive... as soon as they did I wasted it. Of course I died in the process but I only had a LMG and a pistol. Hives are pretty vulnerable when they just have been set up.
Commanders/marines really are WAY too defensive... once when I played I first took one resouce spot then emmediately took a hive and secured it. Then I told the marines to quickly try and get a 2nd hive... what happens then? They start bitching about getting a 2nd resouce nozzle first. Idiots there was a resouce nozzle in the hive as well but they refused to go there till I built up a 2nd outpost at a resouce nozzle. By the time this outpost was up the aliens had secured the hive and we didn't get it ever I believe.
I'm a n00b. (God, this is gonna sound like a Mac 'switch' commercial)
I have pretty quick reflexes, but nothing lightning-fast. I don't play NS, CS, DoD or TFC for 8 or more hours a day. I can strafe and concentrate fire, but I cannot zoom around my opponent while screaming a war-cry and racking up the frags with a flick of my wrist. No l33t skills here. Since there's no "decent player" category, I default down to "n00b".
So, there you have it. It's a rather silly term.. very derogatory.. and is used willy-nilly by any schmuck who thinks he's better than you. Don't pay them any mind.
On the subject of going off alone... you should try to stick with your commander, unless he isn't giving you waypoints or telling you where to go. If that's the case, default to following the other players - one player may be picking up the commander's slack and rallying the troops. If you're still lacking any sort of direction.. then you have three options: vote to eject the idle commander, attempt to be a "lieutenant" and gather marines on you for an assault on _________ (insert alien-fortified area or hive here), or go off alone and hope for the best. The fourth option would be to leave the game entirely, I guess, by either quitting or spectating.
Oh, and any time you don't have any orders, look around to see if anything needs building. Chances are the commander placed SOMETHING that someone missed - usually a turret. At least it'll keep you busy.
Being a loner or a 'scout' is dangerous, especially in the example you provided. You scouted out the second hive which had zero to no defenses. Now you may have alerted your team or not.. but either way you decided to attack the hive. That woke the aliens up, told them that you know of their hive, told them you're attacking it, and any wise alien player will then surmize that you've told your teammates of the hive's status. So.. in short.. they know you know, and they will rush to build it up. You should not have attacked the hive.. you should have screamed to the comm that the hive was undefended and ripe for a full-on assault to take the aliens by surprise. But hindsight is 20/20 <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Generally, running off and dying by yourself is to be avoided. It helps very little. And killing one skulk per death is horrible. If you can't take down at least two or three skulks on your lonesome, you probably shouldn't be able to trying to search out for open nozzles.
Marines need to be organized and act with a purpose. While this doesn't mean that they can never go off alone, it means that you can't just dash off and try to take out a hive yourself or something silly like that. If you just run off, kill a skulk, then die, that's not generally helpful.
So scout at the begining, then start following orders.
PS just because you died doesn't mean you have to wait for the WP to come up again, try using your memory.
to expand on this: the aliens tactics usually is use skulls to keep marines occupied while gorges take AS MUCH res points as they can, before beginning to fortify a few crucial points + hives etc.
to counter this, i believe the marines should try to dodge through teh skulls undetected, and try to kill these free resource points + gorges if you can, just as skulls should(and usually do) take down undefended marine resource nodes
if you go on a suicide mission and become skulk fodder, you're a n00b
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Marines NEED to be on the winning side, kill count wise.
And yeah, we're all n00bs (in what the term actually means, not what the retards say everytime you do something <i>they</i> don't like)
Get used to it. If you do something and you die, you're a n00b. If you waste half their team, you're a cheater. (Allegedly)
Incidental....
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*Nelson Voice* HA HA! Good luck!
OK, so I've rambled on quite a bit. My point is, as a lone marine, I am a much bigger threat to the Kharaa than I am with a group. My ninja skillz are set to "pwn". So, why am I not some n00b in this case? Because EVERY SINGLE TIME I have gone off on my own, I have asked the Commander for permission first. And only when the rest of the group is secure enough for one man to make little difference. Sometimes the commander refuses, and I follow orders. The commander has final say so, in ALL matters during the match. As a grunt, you merely suggest.
If the "right thing" needs to be done, there is no excuse to disobey orders to accomplish it. Talk to your commander, and try to persuade, certainly, but going AWOL puts your entire group in jeopardy, and reports their position more often than not. And if the ambush is prepared for them, one gun less can be a massive difference.
-Ryan!
Liberty without learning is always in peril; learning without liberty is always in vain.
-- John F. Kennedy
Are you doing these suicide missions when the commander is screaming his freaking head off at you to build that turret factory at south loop and secure the node, or just when the commander is off in his own little world sipping a martini?
I mean, it'd make sense if it were the second of the two, but I mean, if he's telling you to do one thing and you're just like, stfu comm I am ownz, then you know, maybe you might want to reconsider something?
uhhhhh......that doesnt count anymore
I hate defensive comms ...The only way to win is ATTACK,ATTACK,ATTACK,ATTACK
But if you just end up failing every time (one alien kill per death is not evidence of success) you may want to rethink your plan, or at least get someone to go with you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i agree with this. if you're being successful and not being a butt for your commander (things are already hard enough for him with the patches, give him a break and obey orders plz) then do it. if you're makin futile attempts that do nothin but annoy the aliens, don't do it. get with your team and see what you guys can do as a whole.
I believe that this MUST help the team somehow.
If I get flamed for playing CS, damn you all, DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
hehe just kidding. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->