Blog update - Bootstrapping Core through Casual

FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds EntertainmentSan Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
in NS2 General Discussion
Please post your thoughts on <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/blog/2007/03/gdc_2007_bootstrapping_core_th.html" target="_blank">this blog entry</a> here!
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  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    Interesting read. I wonder if someone can find audio from the presentation since it would be interesting to hear what was said.
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  • jaboojaboo Join Date: 2004-01-05 Member: 25076Members
    edited March 2007
    Awesome read, nice work Flayra :]!!

    also nice work to whoever did that one concept for NS2 that looks really nice :] you should add the picture to the blog just to generate interest :]

    also thanks for making me go to acne.org lol
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  • PikminwarsPikminwars Join Date: 2006-11-07 Member: 58468Members
    Wait... <b>NEW GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE?</b>
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  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    Good read, but in your notes you mention:

    "Talk about Steam content server and PT plans?"

    Did you talk about that at all? And nice new artwork in there!
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  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    Yeah we will end up showing off some more concept work soon, instead of burying it under 40+ slides! Cory "Squeal Like a Pig" Strader did that one. Nope, no NS2 gameplay footage in there. We wanted to show some but we weren't quite ready.

    As far as PT plans, nope not ready to discuss that. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

    I'm not sure if they will let me post the audio but I will do so if I can. There's a lot more going on in the audio than in the slides for sure.
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  • Femme_FataleFemme_Fatale Join Date: 2005-06-21 Member: 54310Members, Constellation
    must admit dynamic infestation is fun,
    i've been playing with conceptart myself.
    i'll get a new tablet soon.that should boost my apetite for playing with the idea myself <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Neat looking presentation, but like all good Powerpoints it's mostly just the bare bones upon which the musculature of your speech was built. I guess the skin would be like, your own skin. Maybe the skin of everyone who bought Zen of Sudoku. A skin suit.
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  • SparkTRSparkTR Join Date: 2007-02-09 Member: 59913Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
    edited March 2007
    Great presentation, it was an interesting read. I am sure Unknown worlds will get a great profit on NS2, now that you've learned from your mistakes you can bring this game into the public eye once more. Maybe even rival counter strike community wise? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" />
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  • scaryfacescaryface Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9918Members
    edited March 2007
    2 questions on the slideshow:
    What went wrong with the sudoku theme?
    Since when has Zen been retail? Maybe we'll start seeing more reviews <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

    Also i see new concept art in the powerpoint. Nice. At least i think it's new.
    Nice presentation as far as I can tell. I wish i was there
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  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited March 2007
    I think it's really cool you've taken on a doctrine of "sticking it to the man." Over the last few years, I've really started getting interested in guerilla development and distributed design teams, racking my brain for answers to how these methods can be the most productive. Small teams and many projects are what I really want to do with my life, keeping everything a labor of love. It's just good to see that there are others out there with the same general mindset.

    [edit]There's actually a big difference between gorilla and guerilla. However, the mental image of "gorilla development" is pretty funny.[/edit]
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  • ObraxisObraxis Subnautica Animator & Generalist, NS2 Person Join Date: 2004-07-24 Member: 30071Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, WC 2013 - Supporter, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts
    Very nice <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> Love the new concept art. Zen in Retail would make a fortune from the old fogies. Apparently they buy just as many 'casual' computer games as the kids of today (mainly because they have money to spend).
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  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation
    When this current generation, generation y and beyond, gets to the point of old age - computer games should really take off.
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  • Iced_EagleIced_Eagle Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
    Hey Charlie,

    This is Brian Hughes, I was the volunteer in the radiation green shirt (sorry if you got permanent vision damage when talking and looking at me), you guys meet before the Magic the Gathering session. Unfortunately I didn't get to go to your talk because I had the joy of working at another boring session... Oh well.

    Anyways, if you wanna show off NS2 gameplay videos secretly for us in this thread, feel free! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />

    Man I'm just itchin for some videos...
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  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I hope it's all right to post this. If not, take it down.

    This is a (reduced size) capture of the image used in the power point that everyone is mentioning.
    <img src="http://www.packmule.org/tenp/ns2concept.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
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  • w00tiew00tie Join Date: 2006-10-30 Member: 58099Members, Constellation
    LOL its look nice <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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  • Iced_EagleIced_Eagle Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
    edited March 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1614379:date=Mar 14 2007, 04:27 PM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Flayra @ Mar 14 2007, 04:27 PM) [snapback]1614379[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Yeah we will end up showing off some more concept work soon, instead of burying it under 40+ slides! Cory "Squeal Like a Pig" Strader did that one. Nope, no NS2 gameplay footage in there. We wanted to show some but we weren't quite ready.

    As far as PT plans, nope not ready to discuss that. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

    I'm not sure if they will let me post the audio but I will do so if I can. There's a lot more going on in the audio than in the slides for sure.
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    I'm fairly certain that CMP (big wigs behind GDC) will say no...

    After all, there is a reason why they created GDC Radio.

    You can download his lecture here for 8 bucks: <a href="http://store.cmpgame.com/product.php?id=1969" target="_blank">http://store.cmpgame.com/product.php?id=1969</a>

    *Edit* Charlie, if you want to download your own lecture for whatever reason, contact me and I can hook you up for free <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
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  • HarrowerHarrower Join Date: 2005-03-16 Member: 45478Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1615748:date=Mar 20 2007, 01:42 AM:name=Ahnteis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ahnteis @ Mar 20 2007, 01:42 AM) [snapback]1615748[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><img src="http://www.packmule.org/tenp/ns2concept.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
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    Hot.
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  • waterbusterwaterbuster Join Date: 2006-12-17 Member: 59117Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1615891:date=Mar 20 2007, 11:30 PM:name=Harrower)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Harrower @ Mar 20 2007, 11:30 PM) [snapback]1615891[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Hot.
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    Extra hot sauce on that side of hot, served ala flambe with a side of diced hawt.
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  • ZavrixZavrix Join Date: 2007-03-20 Member: 60424Members
    That's what game artwork is meant to look like.

    We just need more stuff to wet our appetites!
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  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    Don't get me wrong, this stuff is great. I've just always wondered what it would be like if a dev team held back everything until they went gold, pulled a limited blitzkrieg, and then BAM. You get the final product with hardly any idea what sort of awesomeness is inside.

    I suppose you'd be sued for heart attacks and such...

    It's just that so often, it seems that advertising is meant to sell as many first edition copies as possible with no regard for longevity, when history has shown us <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush_Puppies" target="_blank">time</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Women" target="_blank">time again</a> (yes, this is Little Women, no I have not read it) that it's word of mouth epidemics that really turn a product into an epic classic.

    For instance, I was never even considering an X-Box 360 until I heard over and over again how great Gears of War was. I played it once, then I bought the X-Box. None of the ads for it swayed me.
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  • Iced_EagleIced_Eagle Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
    But by the time you start the media blitz, who could see if the public _hates_ it?

    If you release PR stuff far enough in advance, then you still have time to make changes and listen to how people are reacting...
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