And Warcraft for CS. Imagine if all the servers in your area decided that warcraftmod really rocked, and you couldn't find ANY cs server with a good ping besides servers running that mod. That'd get kinda annoying after, oh, idk, a day.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Seriously, what the hell is up with this garbage. It is my sincere opinion that server mods should not be allowed to change the games balance in any way at all. Combat was meant for, and is balanced for 4v4 or 5v5 TOPS. 16v16 killfests are a spit in the face to what Natural-selection WAS. It USED to be a game that required not only the ability to aim, move, and adjust, but to think, strategize, and above all, adapt. Thanks. Also a pre-emptive pride obliterating ****-slap: Don't tell me that this game was only decided to be balanced via clan play because I very vividly remember balance for ALL being discussed. So get off your eliteist highhorse pubbers (you know who you are.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good Lord, what a whiny baby, you are.
Heres a revolutionary idea... if you dont like 50 levels or menu, dont play on servers that run them.
You're essentially saying, "You're having fun the wrong way, so get your dang mods out of my game."
Classic just doesn't have a wide enough appeal to bring in new players. The resource system doesn't allow for large games which a lot of people, myself included, enjoy. If you play marines, you're at the whim of the commander. If you're an alien, somebody has to go gorge and drop those RTs, chambers and hives instead of lerking or fading and having fun owning the other team. Designing the game around 5v5 and 6v6 was, in my opinion, a mistake.
You can say, "I want my real NS" all you want, but everybody else clearly doesn't. Server admins will run what people like and they like combat with extra levels. They like 12v12 and 16v16 games with lots of action that doesn't involve spending your res on hives. I certainly don't mind having 12 or 13 levels in combat. It actually makes getting a third hive ability worthwhile every now and then and doesn't totally screw me if I want to switch from a xeno skulk to a fade or something.
Actually, I think Cheesy's Respawn System was, by far, the most popular Combat plugin. The Extralevels plugin is probably at it's peak popularity right now. You remember Marine vs Marine and all the ported CS maps, right?.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sandstorm+Jun 9 2005, 11:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sandstorm @ Jun 9 2005, 11:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You remember Marine vs Marine and all the ported CS maps, right?. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes I do, and still run several of them. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 9 2005, 05:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 9 2005, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-urinalcake+Jun 9 2005, 09:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (urinalcake @ Jun 9 2005, 09:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Argument against HLSW: We shouldn't need it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is that the best you can throw at me? You shouldn't need it? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> that's actually more against NS than you
<!--QuoteBegin-BloodBall+Jun 9 2005, 09:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BloodBall @ Jun 9 2005, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why would I go to the trouble of reading 6 pages of posts before posting useless crap, what would the point of that be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you can read?
<!--QuoteBegin-Electrical Tape+Jun 9 2005, 09:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Electrical Tape @ Jun 9 2005, 09:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Seriously, what the hell is up with this garbage. It is my sincere opinion that server mods should not be allowed to change the games balance in any way at all. Combat was meant for, and is balanced for 4v4 or 5v5 TOPS. 16v16 killfests are a spit in the face to what Natural-selection WAS. It USED to be a game that required not only the ability to aim, move, and adjust, but to think, strategize, and above all, adapt. Thanks. Also a pre-emptive pride obliterating ****-slap: Don't tell me that this game was only decided to be balanced via clan play because I very vividly remember balance for ALL being discussed. So get off your eliteist highhorse pubbers (you know who you are.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good Lord, what a whiny baby, you are.
Heres a revolutionary idea... if you dont like 50 levels or menu, dont play on servers that run them.
edit- Stay off 32 player servers too.
<!--emo&::tsa::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tsa.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tsa.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> lmao, I think I hurt your little feelings, look why should I be forced to not play at all because 90% of the server admins out their run the most atrocious mods ever conceived. Im not angry they exist, Im angry its all Im able to play because there really aren't well populated stock ns/co servers out there. You're a shining example of whats wrong with this dying community
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jun 9 2005, 10:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 9 2005, 10:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BloodBall+Jun 9 2005, 09:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BloodBall @ Jun 9 2005, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why would I go to the trouble of reading 6 pages of posts before posting useless crap, what would the point of that be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you can read? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ouch
AHahahahahaha CWAG Y MUST U BE STR8 & JUST SOME GUY ON THE INTERNET AND NOT AT A DANCE CLUB NEAR ME <3 No in all seriousness do you idle on IRC or AIM or what?
<span style='color:red'> <b> THE SERVER SIDE MODS SUCK PLEASE REMOVE THEM SO NS REGULARS CAN PLAY ON YOUR SERVER AGAIN THX</span></b>
Every day I wake up and realize I'm more out of practice with NS than the last day and the only people I can honestly find to blame are people other than myself. It's the fault of idiot server admins who run these mods and the players who go along with it, and I want to kill them all until they're dead. Really. I hate you guys, you guys in this case strictly limited to idiot server admins who run stupid mods and the players who go along with it, and I hope you all die, all in this case purely referring to the aforementioned segments of the NS population. Really! You guys suck for serious. I probably play on just two servers these days because that's ALL THAT IS LEFT THAT WORKS LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO. </livejournal>
There still are servers that try to run the vanilla version of the game. You must search for them and find them. I don't know many that are completely stock (minux AMXX for admin'ing of course).
I for instance, run classic NS gaming with only a couple plugins - RT mod(shows how many RT's you have); ShowRES(display teammates res - aliens). Besides these two helpful plugins, it's vanilla. CO we have 17 levels or something (can't remember what we finally set it to), but we really never play CO, just sometimes really late at night if only a couple admins are on, we'll switch to CO. All the people come to play NS, and CO is NOT in the mapvote EVER.
Maybe there should be some sort of "Server Advertisement" area that you can list your server specs so people can get a better idea of what your server is about and what kind of community is backing it (if any). This would save some people the time they waste visiting servers they'll never play at. It seems that this would help some people out...I know I would like to see what servers are exactly running and what is going on in the community in regards to servers.
urinalcakeCan't work a sound cardUnited StatesJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7799Members
Why are you people not paying attention? You keep on saying: "Don't play on servers that have the Extralevels and 50 levels plugins"
HAVE YOU NOT HEARD WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING? THERE ARE NONE LEFT.
COMBAT IS GONE. ITS NOW MODDED EXTENDED FUN-FOR-FIVE MINUTES COMBAT. What is so hard to understand?
The game we all loved and cherished is <u>GONE</u>. NS is dying each day players encounter combat and then leave because they don't like experiencing the game in 5 minutes.
Its over. Combat has won, and I DOUBT there will be much of an NS unless this 3.1 churns out a miracle.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->lmao, I think I hurt your little feelings<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, Im so hurt. /boggle. Your post isnt going to change squat, and I knew that before I posted.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->, look why should I be forced to not play at all because 90% of the server admins out their run the most atrocious mods ever conceived.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Youre not being forced, goon... you dont have to play on them, that isnt a hard concept to grasp. Furthermore, the quality of a mod is relative to the person playing it. Obviously, many people think its a good mod, otherwise, you would have your way and there wouldnt be so many servers playing these "atrocious" mods.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Im not angry they exist, Im angry its all Im able to play because there really aren't well populated stock ns/co servers out there<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Consider creating your own server then, instead of whining like a child.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You're a shining example of whats wrong with this dying community <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The NS community is dying? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Im the problem... right. My preferance, and others, of combat with increased levels and option is an affront to all you and your NS purist buddies stand for, isnt it? Well, youll just have to deal with it, I guess.
<!--QuoteBegin-Electrical Tape+Jun 9 2005, 11:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Electrical Tape @ Jun 9 2005, 11:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->lmao, I think I hurt your little feelings<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, Im so hurt. /boggle. Your post isnt going to change squat, and I knew that before I posted.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->, look why should I be forced to not play at all because 90% of the server admins out their run the most atrocious mods ever conceived.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Youre not being forced, goon... you dont have to play on them, that isnt a hard concept to grasp. Furthermore, the quality of a mod is relative to the person playing it. Obviously, many people think its a good mod, otherwise, you would have your way and there wouldnt be so many servers playing these "atrocious" mods.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Im not angry they exist, Im angry its all Im able to play because there really aren't well populated stock ns/co servers out there<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Consider creating your own server then, instead of whining like a child.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You're a shining example of whats wrong with this dying community <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The NS community is dying? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Im the problem... right. My preferance, and others, of combat with increased levels and option is an affront to all you and your NS purist buddies stand for, isnt it? Well, youll just have to deal with it, I guess.
<!--emo&::siege::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='siege.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I bet you think your post makes some sort of sense now that you've basically said the same thing as before, but with quotes?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why are you people not paying attention? You keep on saying: "Don't play on servers that have the Extralevels and 50 levels plugins"
HAVE YOU NOT HEARD WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING? THERE ARE NONE LEFT.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
MAKE YOUR OWN THEN.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->COMBAT IS GONE. ITS NOW MODDED EXTENDED FUN-FOR-FIVE MINUTES COMBAT.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only five minutes? I think most people would say that its fun for much longer than that, or you wouldnt see, according to you, only modded combat.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What is so hard to understand?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why you people **** so much.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS is dying each day players encounter combat and then leave because they don't like experiencing the game in 5 minutes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Id love to see you prove something so generalized. Huh? You cant? Because what you say is pure speculation based on jaded over-exageration? Ahh.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Its over. Combat has won, and I DOUBT there will be much of an NS unless this 3.1 churns out a miracle. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Using All-Seeing-Eye with this Filter: 1 if servertype != "HL" remove 2 if ping > "50" remove 3 if clients < "8" remove 4 if game ~!= "ns" remove 5 if sv_password != "0" remove 6 if map ~== "*co_*" remove
I found the following servers:
[IAM-clan.com] School of Darwinism |CUSTOM||50ms|209.40.96.31:27015 NSArmslab.com Custom Fun [FastDL]|28ms|69.93.70.186:27015 [FAT]'s Accidental Bowel Movement **NS ONLY**|39ms|69.93.41.35:27015 TacticalGamer.com NS 3.04|bs0;FF;CD|23ms|67.19.90.170:27015 The Lunixmonster 3.04 - www.lunixmonster.org|28ms|69.93.5.186:27015 NSArmslab.com Veterans Classic NS3.05F|35ms|70.85.21.249:27015 NSArmslab.com Classic NS 3.04F|33ms|67.19.204.37:27015 Guns4Back2School.com :: Classic NS 3.0F|24ms|72.21.54.150:27015 WhenDarknessFalls.org Custom NS 3.0 FINAL|31ms|67.18.224.46:27015 www.2frag4fun.com SqUiRRlY WhichBot Server |30ms|70.84.129.151:27015 The worlds most EVIL NS Server|43ms|68.203.132.155:27015 Stainmaker's House OF Pain|29ms|67.18.177.211:27016 [] aeRO 24/7 NS #1 [] -- Max.Lv: 50 -- Added Upgrades|39ms|67.18.205.74:27015
If I change line 6 to filter out Classic maps, I get:
I don't live near you, so my server list won't match yours. After all, these are only the servers I ping <50ms to. However, if you really want to play NS with other pub players, it seems like you have to find a server and become a regular, donator, or clan member, granting you a reserved slot on that server.
Boris:
You can use All-Seeing-Eye's filter to look for specific server cvars. All decently-written plugins will register a version cvar that you can use to determine if the plugin is installed. For example, I can use this filter to find extralevel servers:
1 if servertype != "HL" remove 2 if game ~!= "ns" remove 3 if clients < "1" remove 4 if map ~== "*ns_*" remove 5 if sv_password != "0" remove 6 if extralevels_version ~== "" remove
Out of 33 total combat servers, I found 23 servers running some version of the Extralevels plugin, and 10 servers not running the plugin. However, the plugin is fully-configurable, so just because it's running the plugin doesn't mean you'll get 50+ levels.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I bet you think your post makes some sort of sense now that you've basically said the same thing as before, but with quotes? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And I bet you think this pathetic rebuttal to my logical counter points somehow makes your original whine more... valid? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-urinalcake+Jun 9 2005, 11:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (urinalcake @ Jun 9 2005, 11:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why are you people not paying attention? You keep on saying: "Don't play on servers that have the Extralevels and 50 levels plugins"
HAVE YOU NOT HEARD WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING? THERE ARE NONE LEFT.
COMBAT IS GONE. ITS NOW MODDED EXTENDED FUN-FOR-FIVE MINUTES COMBAT. What is so hard to understand?
The game we all loved and cherished is <u>GONE</u>. NS is dying each day players encounter combat and then leave because they don't like experiencing the game in 5 minutes.
Its over. Combat has won, and I DOUBT there will be much of an NS unless this 3.1 churns out a miracle. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you want a classic server, pay for one. You can mock servers like nsarmslab all you like, but they're usually filled to capacity. Why would they implement a game "the way it's supposed to be" if it would just clear out their servers?
Just because you want to play classic sans mods doesn't mean others want to or should have to. Classic has plenty of problems, most notably its utter inability to scale to larger games. It's far too limited to ever be successful, it's on old technology and the learning curve is wrist-slittingly hard.
I can't believe I'm seeing this. People play what they like to play. If that happens to be Combat, what right have you to **** about they're preference? Chances are if you are a classic purist then you wouldn't want to play with them anyway. If you want classic to be revived then advertise! Make classic less intimidating for new players rather than bashing them for gravitating to the simpler Combat gamestyle.
<!--QuoteBegin-Electrical Tape+Jun 9 2005, 11:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Electrical Tape @ Jun 9 2005, 11:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I bet you think your post makes some sort of sense now that you've basically said the same thing as before, but with quotes? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And I bet you think this pathetic rebuttal to my logical counter points somehow makes your original whine more... valid? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You ruin pub ns, nuff said ggkthx
<!--QuoteBegin-silverace+Jun 10 2005, 12:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (silverace @ Jun 10 2005, 12:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can't believe I'm seeing this. People play what they like to play. If that happens to be Combat, what right have you to **** about they're preference? Chances are if you are a classic purist then you wouldn't want to play with them anyway. If you want classic to be revived then advertise! Make classic less intimidating for new players rather than bashing them for gravitating to the simpler Combat gamestyle. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> classic ns would suck if we had to dumb it down for the butter trolls like electric
Also electric don't bother typing some big fancy reply because Ill be honest here, I won't read whatever sad excuse you've mustered
The simple fact is, these stupid mods shouldn't be forced on anyone. Just because everyone else wants to play them dosen't mean I should have to also. Its impossible to seed a new server unless you have an idiotic mod on it, and I see even less servers than what sandstorm posted. Which is 2-3. Rediculous.
urinalcakeCan't work a sound cardUnited StatesJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7799Members
edited June 2005
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->MAKE YOUR OWN THEN.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Holy crap. You really don't see the point. I should not HAVE to. Infact, I admin on a few servers, all which are vanilla or extremely low in plugins.. and they're never players. If there is players, I enter, only to find them gone or testing their configuration.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Only five minutes? I think most people would say that its fun for much longer than that, or you wouldnt see, according to you, only modded combat.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Believe me, being in countless communities and enough clans, I know that plenty of people are leaving NS because it's getting ridiculous. You didn't see my point earlier when I said people are getting the entire game in a few rounds of combat and leaving because they feel like anything else is stupid.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Id love to see you prove something so generalized. Huh? You cant? Because what you say is pure speculation based on jaded over-exageration? Ahh.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How long have you been playing this game? A few months? Since 3.0 came out? Whopdee. I have seen this game transgress from the very begining. Things change yes, things may become better or take a toll for the worse. But this is absolute the worst.
Its not speculation, its not generalized. Its a known fact. <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93602' target='_blank'>Here</a> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94245' target='_blank'>Here</a> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94093' target='_blank'>Here</a> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94025' target='_blank'>Here</a> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89941' target='_blank'>Here</a> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92471' target='_blank'>Here (my personal favorite, as Fangs hates Combat)</a>
Do research, people ARE leaving, because combat has driven people off. I also speak for many in IRC on this too, and believe me, I can find some quotes if you want me to. You haven't been around NS nearly as long as a lot of competitive players and many of these forum users, and most of them will agree, Combat is just plain killing things. The overwhelming majority of people FOR combat are people who have joined in the last few versions.
And to make up for the time I don't have on going back and editing things, usually if I say Combat I mean plugin-driven combat. I had no problem with Combat, but I haven't seen it in so long.
While its true that my unbelievably elite skill completely over-powers the team Im on, it far from ruins the game for others.
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Im not sure if that was a veiled shot at combat, or simply a stab at my intelligence. Either way, what you fail, or simply refuse, to realize is that these mods added to combat actually increase the depth of possibilities by introducing new skills or adding to existing ones.
Thats for combat of course. You refer to classic NS needing to be dumbed down for me, but what has obviously gone right over your head is that classic has already been dumbed down substantially. What comes to me first off is the removal of strategic focal points on many NS maps. Double res nodes, certain bottle necks areas, and basic map architecture.
It seems you are in denial; reversing the actual realities of NS and CO. Whereas NS is redundant and simple, CO is dynamic and complex, and even more so when increased levels and skills are added. NS is only complex when you are commanding, and even then, people expect certain build orders and rigid strategies already established or they think you are a noob.
Anyway... along with trying to retort intelligently next time, make sure what you say is not actually the opposite of how it truly is.
While its true that my unbelievably elite skill completely over-powers the team Im on, it far from ruins the game for others.
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Im not sure if that was a veiled shot at combat, or simply a stab at my intelligence. Either way, what you fail, or simply refuse, to realize is that these mods added to combat actually increase the depth of possibilities by introducing new skills or adding to existing ones.
Thats for combat of course. You refer to classic NS needing to be dumbed down for me, but what has obviously gone right over your head is that classic has already been dumbed down substantially. What comes to me first off is the removal of strategic focal points on many NS maps. Double res nodes, certain bottle necks areas, and basic map architecture.
It seems you are in denial; reversing the actual realities of NS and CO. Whereas NS is redundant and simple, CO is dynamic and complex, and even more so when increased levels and skills are added. NS is only complex when you are commanding, and even then, people expect certain build orders and rigid strategies already established or they think you are a noob.
Anyway... along with trying to retort intelligently next time, make sure what you say is not actually the opposite of how it truly is.
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urinalcakeCan't work a sound cardUnited StatesJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7799Members
edited June 2005
NS is a mod of NS. Not of plugin-rich servers. Yes there is Combat, but its Combat in the sense it should be placed in, Classic.
Combat was a feeling we had in NS, when we got into that battlegroup of Heavies and walked loudly down the echoeing halls of hera when NS had athmosphere. We would feel like we're something important, in a futuristic military. That athmosphere is gone, whats left of NS is being killed by the Warcraft 3 Mod of NS.
Edit: Electrical, if you're still wondering about a generalized fact if people are leaving NS because of the plugin factor.. just take a look at a very, very recent thread <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94296' target='_blank'>here</a>. Do a search for combat, read, do a search for plugins, read, do a search for vanilla, read.
Its astonishing the amount of people who are in agreement.
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Good Lord, what a whiny baby, you are.
Heres a revolutionary idea... if you dont like 50 levels or menu, dont play on servers that run them.
edit- Stay off 32 player servers too.
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Classic just doesn't have a wide enough appeal to bring in new players. The resource system doesn't allow for large games which a lot of people, myself included, enjoy. If you play marines, you're at the whim of the commander. If you're an alien, somebody has to go gorge and drop those RTs, chambers and hives instead of lerking or fading and having fun owning the other team. Designing the game around 5v5 and 6v6 was, in my opinion, a mistake.
You can say, "I want my real NS" all you want, but everybody else clearly doesn't. Server admins will run what people like and they like combat with extra levels. They like 12v12 and 16v16 games with lots of action that doesn't involve spending your res on hives. I certainly don't mind having 12 or 13 levels in combat. It actually makes getting a third hive ability worthwhile every now and then and doesn't totally screw me if I want to switch from a xeno skulk to a fade or something.
Yes I do, and still run several of them. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Is that the best you can throw at me? You shouldn't need it? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
that's actually more against NS than you
you can read?
Good Lord, what a whiny baby, you are.
Heres a revolutionary idea... if you dont like 50 levels or menu, dont play on servers that run them.
edit- Stay off 32 player servers too.
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lmao, I think I hurt your little feelings, look why should I be forced to not play at all because 90% of the server admins out their run the most atrocious mods ever conceived. Im not angry they exist, Im angry its all Im able to play because there really aren't well populated stock ns/co servers out there. You're a shining example of whats wrong with this dying community
you can read? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ouch
<span style='color:red'> <b> THE SERVER SIDE MODS SUCK PLEASE REMOVE THEM SO NS REGULARS CAN PLAY ON YOUR SERVER AGAIN THX</span></b>
Every day I wake up and realize I'm more out of practice with NS than the last day and the only people I can honestly find to blame are people other than myself. It's the fault of idiot server admins who run these mods and the players who go along with it, and I want to kill them all until they're dead. Really. I hate you guys, you guys in this case strictly limited to idiot server admins who run stupid mods and the players who go along with it, and I hope you all die, all in this case purely referring to the aforementioned segments of the NS population. Really! You guys suck for serious. I probably play on just two servers these days because that's ALL THAT IS LEFT THAT WORKS LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO. </livejournal>
And since I don't have the internet at Home©, I can't play anything. That makes me the leetest of all snubs technically. Enjoy your games D:
I for instance, run classic NS gaming with only a couple plugins - RT mod(shows how many RT's you have); ShowRES(display teammates res - aliens). Besides these two helpful plugins, it's vanilla. CO we have 17 levels or something (can't remember what we finally set it to), but we really never play CO, just sometimes really late at night if only a couple admins are on, we'll switch to CO. All the people come to play NS, and CO is NOT in the mapvote EVER.
Maybe there should be some sort of "Server Advertisement" area that you can list your server specs so people can get a better idea of what your server is about and what kind of community is backing it (if any). This would save some people the time they waste visiting servers they'll never play at. It seems that this would help some people out...I know I would like to see what servers are exactly running and what is going on in the community in regards to servers.
Any chance of this being setup?
"Don't play on servers that have the Extralevels and 50 levels plugins"
HAVE YOU NOT HEARD WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING?
THERE ARE NONE LEFT.
COMBAT IS GONE. ITS NOW MODDED EXTENDED FUN-FOR-FIVE MINUTES COMBAT.
What is so hard to understand?
The game we all loved and cherished is <u>GONE</u>. NS is dying each day players encounter combat and then leave because they don't like experiencing the game in 5 minutes.
Its over. Combat has won, and I DOUBT there will be much of an NS unless this 3.1 churns out a miracle.
Yeah, Im so hurt. /boggle. Your post isnt going to change squat, and I knew that before I posted.
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Youre not being forced, goon... you dont have to play on them, that isnt a hard concept to grasp. Furthermore, the quality of a mod is relative to the person playing it. Obviously, many people think its a good mod, otherwise, you would have your way and there wouldnt be so many servers playing these "atrocious" mods.
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Consider creating your own server then, instead of whining like a child.
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The NS community is dying? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Im the problem... right. My preferance, and others, of combat with increased levels and option is an affront to all you and your NS purist buddies stand for, isnt it? Well, youll just have to deal with it, I guess.
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Yeah, Im so hurt. /boggle. Your post isnt going to change squat, and I knew that before I posted.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->, look why should I be forced to not play at all because 90% of the server admins out their run the most atrocious mods ever conceived.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Youre not being forced, goon... you dont have to play on them, that isnt a hard concept to grasp. Furthermore, the quality of a mod is relative to the person playing it. Obviously, many people think its a good mod, otherwise, you would have your way and there wouldnt be so many servers playing these "atrocious" mods.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Im not angry they exist, Im angry its all Im able to play because there really aren't well populated stock ns/co servers out there<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Consider creating your own server then, instead of whining like a child.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You're a shining example of whats wrong with this dying community <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The NS community is dying? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Im the problem... right. My preferance, and others, of combat with increased levels and option is an affront to all you and your NS purist buddies stand for, isnt it? Well, youll just have to deal with it, I guess.
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I bet you think your post makes some sort of sense now that you've basically said the same thing as before, but with quotes?
"Don't play on servers that have the Extralevels and 50 levels plugins"
HAVE YOU NOT HEARD WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING?
THERE ARE NONE LEFT.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
MAKE YOUR OWN THEN.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->COMBAT IS GONE. ITS NOW MODDED EXTENDED FUN-FOR-FIVE MINUTES COMBAT.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only five minutes? I think most people would say that its fun for much longer than that, or you wouldnt see, according to you, only modded combat.
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Why you people **** so much.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS is dying each day players encounter combat and then leave because they don't like experiencing the game in 5 minutes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Id love to see you prove something so generalized. Huh? You cant? Because what you say is pure speculation based on jaded over-exageration? Ahh.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Its over. Combat has won, and I DOUBT there will be much of an NS unless this 3.1 churns out a miracle. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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1 if servertype != "HL" remove
2 if ping > "50" remove
3 if clients < "8" remove
4 if game ~!= "ns" remove
5 if sv_password != "0" remove
6 if map ~== "*co_*" remove
I found the following servers:
[IAM-clan.com] School of Darwinism |CUSTOM||50ms|209.40.96.31:27015
NSArmslab.com Custom Fun [FastDL]|28ms|69.93.70.186:27015
[FAT]'s Accidental Bowel Movement **NS ONLY**|39ms|69.93.41.35:27015
TacticalGamer.com NS 3.04|bs0;FF;CD|23ms|67.19.90.170:27015
The Lunixmonster 3.04 - www.lunixmonster.org|28ms|69.93.5.186:27015
NSArmslab.com Veterans Classic NS3.05F|35ms|70.85.21.249:27015
NSArmslab.com Classic NS 3.04F|33ms|67.19.204.37:27015
Guns4Back2School.com :: Classic NS 3.0F|24ms|72.21.54.150:27015
WhenDarknessFalls.org Custom NS 3.0 FINAL|31ms|67.18.224.46:27015
www.2frag4fun.com SqUiRRlY WhichBot Server |30ms|70.84.129.151:27015
The worlds most EVIL NS Server|43ms|68.203.132.155:27015
Stainmaker's House OF Pain|29ms|67.18.177.211:27016
[] aeRO 24/7 NS #1 [] -- Max.Lv: 50 -- Added Upgrades|39ms|67.18.205.74:27015
If I change line 6 to filter out Classic maps, I get:
NSArmslab.com Combat Facility #1 NS3.04F|35ms|67.19.204.36:27015
NSArmslab.com Combat Facility #2 NS3.05F|25ms|69.93.70.180:27015
[] aeRO 24/7 CoMBaT #1 [] -- Max.Lv: 50 -- Added Upgrades|33ms|67.18.204.202:27015
[] aeRO 24/7 CoMBaT #2 [] -- Max.Lv: 50 -- Added Upgrades|23ms|67.18.172.146:27015
[] aeRO 24/7 CoMBaT #3 [] -- Max.Lv: 50 -- Added Upgrades|23ms|67.18.172.114:27015
I don't live near you, so my server list won't match yours. After all, these are only the servers I ping <50ms to. However, if you really want to play NS with other pub players, it seems like you have to find a server and become a regular, donator, or clan member, granting you a reserved slot on that server.
Boris:
You can use All-Seeing-Eye's filter to look for specific server cvars. All decently-written plugins will register a version cvar that you can use to determine if the plugin is installed. For example, I can use this filter to find extralevel servers:
1 if servertype != "HL" remove
2 if game ~!= "ns" remove
3 if clients < "1" remove
4 if map ~== "*ns_*" remove
5 if sv_password != "0" remove
6 if extralevels_version ~== "" remove
Out of 33 total combat servers, I found 23 servers running some version of the Extralevels plugin, and 10 servers not running the plugin. However, the plugin is fully-configurable, so just because it's running the plugin doesn't mean you'll get 50+ levels.
And I bet you think this pathetic rebuttal to my logical counter points somehow makes your original whine more... valid? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
"Don't play on servers that have the Extralevels and 50 levels plugins"
HAVE YOU NOT HEARD WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING?
THERE ARE NONE LEFT.
COMBAT IS GONE. ITS NOW MODDED EXTENDED FUN-FOR-FIVE MINUTES COMBAT.
What is so hard to understand?
The game we all loved and cherished is <u>GONE</u>. NS is dying each day players encounter combat and then leave because they don't like experiencing the game in 5 minutes.
Its over. Combat has won, and I DOUBT there will be much of an NS unless this 3.1 churns out a miracle. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you want a classic server, pay for one. You can mock servers like nsarmslab all you like, but they're usually filled to capacity. Why would they implement a game "the way it's supposed to be" if it would just clear out their servers?
Just because you want to play classic sans mods doesn't mean others want to or should have to. Classic has plenty of problems, most notably its utter inability to scale to larger games. It's far too limited to ever be successful, it's on old technology and the learning curve is wrist-slittingly hard.
And I bet you think this pathetic rebuttal to my logical counter points somehow makes your original whine more... valid? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You ruin pub ns, nuff said ggkthx
classic ns would suck if we had to dumb it down for the butter trolls like electric
The simple fact is, these stupid mods shouldn't be forced on anyone. Just because everyone else wants to play them dosen't mean I should have to also. Its impossible to seed a new server unless you have an idiotic mod on it, and I see even less servers than what sandstorm posted. Which is 2-3. Rediculous.
Holy crap. You really don't see the point.
I should not HAVE to. Infact, I admin on a few servers, all which are vanilla or extremely low in plugins.. and they're never players. If there is players, I enter, only to find them gone or testing their configuration.
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Believe me, being in countless communities and enough clans, I know that plenty of people are leaving NS because it's getting ridiculous. You didn't see my point earlier when I said people are getting the entire game in a few rounds of combat and leaving because they feel like anything else is stupid.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Id love to see you prove something so generalized. Huh? You cant? Because what you say is pure speculation based on jaded over-exageration? Ahh.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How long have you been playing this game? A few months? Since 3.0 came out? Whopdee. I have seen this game transgress from the very begining. Things change yes, things may become better or take a toll for the worse. But this is absolute the worst.
Its not speculation, its not generalized. Its a known fact.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93602' target='_blank'>Here</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94245' target='_blank'>Here</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94093' target='_blank'>Here</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94025' target='_blank'>Here</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89941' target='_blank'>Here</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92471' target='_blank'>Here (my personal favorite, as Fangs hates Combat)</a>
Do research, people ARE leaving, because combat has driven people off. I also speak for many in IRC on this too, and believe me, I can find some quotes if you want me to. You haven't been around NS nearly as long as a lot of competitive players and many of these forum users, and most of them will agree, Combat is just plain killing things. The overwhelming majority of people FOR combat are people who have joined in the last few versions.
And to make up for the time I don't have on going back and editing things, usually if I say Combat I mean plugin-driven combat. I had no problem with Combat, but I haven't seen it in so long.
only problem is $$$
i promise that the first thing i will do is remove all co_ maps from the box and then remove all admin_ commands except for kick ban and tsay
While its true that my unbelievably elite skill completely over-powers the team Im on, it far from ruins the game for others.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->classic ns would suck if we had to dumb it down for the butter trolls like electric <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im not sure if that was a veiled shot at combat, or simply a stab at my intelligence. Either way, what you fail, or simply refuse, to realize is that these mods added to combat actually increase the depth of possibilities by introducing new skills or adding to existing ones.
Thats for combat of course. You refer to classic NS needing to be dumbed down for me, but what has obviously gone right over your head is that classic has already been dumbed down substantially. What comes to me first off is the removal of strategic focal points on many NS maps. Double res nodes, certain bottle necks areas, and basic map architecture.
It seems you are in denial; reversing the actual realities of NS and CO. Whereas NS is redundant and simple, CO is dynamic and complex, and even more so when increased levels and skills are added. NS is only complex when you are commanding, and even then, people expect certain build orders and rigid strategies already established or they think you are a noob.
Anyway... along with trying to retort intelligently next time, make sure what you say is not actually the opposite of how it truly is.
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this leads to a dead end...what do you expect with these threads?
While i agree with you that combat sucks...it wont chnage a thing to write that down.
Others tried
Others failed
still for *co gets its own mod...*
While its true that my unbelievably elite skill completely over-powers the team Im on, it far from ruins the game for others.
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Im not sure if that was a veiled shot at combat, or simply a stab at my intelligence. Either way, what you fail, or simply refuse, to realize is that these mods added to combat actually increase the depth of possibilities by introducing new skills or adding to existing ones.
Thats for combat of course. You refer to classic NS needing to be dumbed down for me, but what has obviously gone right over your head is that classic has already been dumbed down substantially. What comes to me first off is the removal of strategic focal points on many NS maps. Double res nodes, certain bottle necks areas, and basic map architecture.
It seems you are in denial; reversing the actual realities of NS and CO. Whereas NS is redundant and simple, CO is dynamic and complex, and even more so when increased levels and skills are added. NS is only complex when you are commanding, and even then, people expect certain build orders and rigid strategies already established or they think you are a noob.
Anyway... along with trying to retort intelligently next time, make sure what you say is not actually the opposite of how it truly is.
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what? i didnt read that
Yes there is Combat, but its Combat in the sense it should be placed in, Classic.
Combat was a feeling we had in NS, when we got into that battlegroup of Heavies and walked loudly down the echoeing halls of hera when NS had athmosphere. We would feel like we're something important, in a futuristic military. That athmosphere is gone, whats left of NS is being killed by the Warcraft 3 Mod of NS.
Edit: Electrical, if you're still wondering about a generalized fact if people are leaving NS because of the plugin factor.. just take a look at a very, very recent thread <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94296' target='_blank'>here</a>. Do a search for combat, read, do a search for plugins, read, do a search for vanilla, read.
Its astonishing the amount of people who are in agreement.