Co_oblivion

Skacky · June 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">My "real" first Natural Selection map !</div> Hello all !
I am a young french mapper and my english is crappy <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' />. I really like NS mod and I've made a NScombat map, but it not released for the moment. My map is really dark, and the aliens should like it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />
This is some screenies of my map.

<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0001.jpg' target='_blank'>screen 1</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0002.jpg' target='_blank'>screen 2</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0003.jpg' target='_blank'>screen 3</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0004.jpg' target='_blank'>screen 4</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0005.jpg' target='_blank'>screen 5</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0007.jpg' target='_blank'>screen 6</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0008.jpg' target='_blank'>screen 7</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0009.jpg' target='_blank'>screen 8</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0010.jpg' target='_blank'>screen 9</a>

If you see any bugs in the screens, send it to me (crappy english <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />)

Kardoffel · June 2005

If we see any bugs i the screens, i dont see anything at all. Plz fix you lightning its way to dark.

Skacky · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kardoffel @ Jun 5 2005, 07:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If we see any bugs i the screens, i dont see anything at all. Plz fix you lightning its way to dark. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Ok, I'll do this, but a thing is strange, when I play the map, the light is more bright, but on the screens, the light is too dark.
So, I have to fix the light <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

I've fixed the light and the map is compiling. Some screens soon <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

Skacky · June 2005

And now ?
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0012.jpg' target='_blank'>newscreen2</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0013.jpg' target='_blank'>newscreen3</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0014.jpg' target='_blank'>newscreen4</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0015.jpg' target='_blank'>newscreen5</a>

Naigel · June 2005

I can see things... but it's still dark.

Gruuunt · June 2005

I agree - it looks good what I can see, but way too dark at the moment... maybe just the gamma?

SgtBarlow · June 2005

Lol, Nice blank pictures their <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

Lt_Gravity · June 2005

Im pretty shure I do need new NVG´s... wait, is it a splinter cell map? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

you should work on the lighting. if you experince the screenshots to be darker than themap actually is, try to fix it via photoshop or something like that.

Skacky · June 2005

I'm working at the lightning <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />
But if I increase the brightness, the map lose her dark ambience (my brother like it) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

I'll fix the lightning in the Marine start and in the corridor.

perso · June 2005

This should help you adjust the lighting levels aka. "gamma correct" the brightness of your map's screen shots: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=61923#dGoD-4_1' target='_blank'>ns mapping FAQ</a>

And I agree, your map is way too dark. I also like the atmosphere the darkness gives, but you have to think the players as well. It's not fun if you can't see anything in multiplayer games. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

To fix this, you could add some additional light sources in floor level to light the floor and maybe let the ceiling somewhat darker. Add coloured emergency lights for example. Most of all try not to light every corner of the room with one or two light sources. Sometimes it good to add lights that only light floor or ceiling.

The corridors look rather narrow as well. Maybe widen some of them a little and add doors. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' />

N_Recoup · June 2005

There is a difference between ambient darkness and almost pitch-black.

That map is pitch black.

Swiftspear · June 2005

Is it just me or is that some really bad texture stretching I see there?

GiGaBiTe · June 2005

thats not texture lighting, hes using light entities for lighting.

i suggest you learn how to use texlights before you get any farther on this map, because using light enities for lighting not only looks bad but its bad mapping.

Reebdoog · June 2005

Use texlights and high contrast lights, then you can keep dark areas and still be able to see some other areas.

Crispy · June 2005

You can have dark areas of the map around the Hives if you want (not in the Hive rooms, because Marines have to use them too), but MarineStart should not be that dark. If you want to keep some authenticity, just make some emergency lights that the Marines brought with them and put around the MS.

Lt_Gravity · June 2005

you could also define some nice design lights to lit your scene.
maybe something like this would be pretty cool:

<img src='http://www.qvc.de/img/DE/8/98/824498.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

hm. I think I need vacation...

Tak3r · June 2005

My my Lt.Gravity. Thats sure an exquisite lamp. lol

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Skacky · June 2005

Hi all, I've (re)fixed the light in the map. Some screenshots <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0016.jpg' target='_blank'>screen1</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0017.jpg' target='_blank'>screen2</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0018.jpg' target='_blank'>screen3</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0019.jpg' target='_blank'>screen4</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0020.jpg' target='_blank'>screen5</a>
<a href='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/mapcust/co_oblivion0021.jpg' target='_blank'>screen6</a>

Dont worry about the crates in the three lasts screenshots, I put it for the moment <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

PS : Lol Lt Gravity <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

carioca · June 2005

your lightining source isnt looking real and true try create more light sources.

Insane · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GiGaBiTe @ Jun 6 2005, 05:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> thats not texture lighting, hes using light entities for lighting.

i suggest you learn how to use texlights before you get any farther on this map, because using light enities for lighting not only looks bad but its bad mapping.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
This is not true. Texlights are great, but don't be afraid to use entity lights either.

GiGaBiTe · June 2005

yes, but dont use entity lights to make it look like a texture is emitting light.

i like dark maps, but thats too dark. it still needs to be brightened up. go for something like the old ns_bast from ns 1.0

Skacky · June 2005

Some new screenhsots

<img src='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/oblivion1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/oblivion2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/oblivion3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/oblivion4.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/oblivion5.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Here, there is a secret passage in the Ready Room <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />

<img src='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/oblivion6.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

This way go at the Disco room <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

<img src='http://perso.wanadoo.fr/temposite/oblivion7.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

And now, (it's not fnish yet) if the players go in the bad direction, the blocks go up and jam the players ^^
This part of the map is greatly inspired of DarthRod's Sven Co-op map ^^ (my friend) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />

coris · June 2005

lol at the cs-crates from dust.

Lt_Gravity · June 2005

but he has got a secret room <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

seriously... I dont know what to say.

the lighting is visible at least. but the areas still look plain. you should seriously work on a decent lightstyle. lighting is the alpha and omega of a nice ns map and not just like "well, I put some lights here and there and thats it."
the hiveroom looks ok to me. the architecture isnt bad either. but obviously you dont get the idea behind the term "texture lighting".

Swiftspear · June 2005

It doesn't look super professional, but it doesn't look terrible either... has a nice gritty feel.

SlayerX · June 2005

I'd say it's really good for your first Natural-Selection map. However, try working on lighting on your map. Try mixing some light colors to create a good atmosphere.

nogoodnickname · June 2005

that looks nicely simple and grey

N_Recoup · June 2005

You should really have a go at creating multiple lighting systems around the map, like red mixed with yellow, or blue and green mixed with yellow or white. Creating multiple light sources with different lights helps create a very nice atmosphere.

Skacky · June 2005

Ok I'll do this <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

Crispy · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (N Recoup @ Jun 9 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You should really have a go at creating multiple lighting systems around the map, like red mixed with yellow, or blue and green mixed with yellow or white. Creating multiple light sources with different lights helps create a very nice atmosphere.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Yeah but it's a ***** to get just right.

Unfortunetely it's the only way <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

N_Recoup · June 2005

Its not terribly hard. Just get the textlights to work, and mix in some very different colors. Any color goes with white, so thats a good start right there.

Co_oblivion

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