Msi Radeon X800 Dual Agp/pci-e

sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
edited June 2005 in Off-Topic
<!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <a href='http://yanaishina.blogspot.com/2005/06/msis-dual-agppci-e-x800-radeon-card.html' target='_blank'>This is a cool idea for the x800....</a>

<a href='http://yanaishina.blogspot.com/2005/06/crossfire-defeats-sli-in-doom-3-3d.html' target='_blank'>crossfire pwned sli at 3dmark and doom3...ouch nvidia</a>

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  • The_ThingThe_Thing Join Date: 2003-02-25 Member: 13993Members
    That's cool but dont ever buy MSI products.
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    I see no benchmarks.
    Something here reeks of fanboy.
    Show me the proof first.
  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    Yeah with just a blog and no specs its hard to call it...
  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    <a href='http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23571' target='_blank'>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23571</a>

    No benchmarks couldn't find any. But this source says Crossfire wins in 3dmark05.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jun 2 2005, 08:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jun 2 2005, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I see no benchmarks.
    Something here reeks of fanboy.
    Show me the proof first. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Doomaniac gets some sort of award for writing a haiku and making it sound so natural, it may be an accident.
  • reasareasa Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Marik Steele+Jun 2 2005, 09:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik Steele @ Jun 2 2005, 09:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jun 2 2005, 08:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jun 2 2005, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I see no benchmarks.
    Something here reeks of fanboy.
    Show me the proof first. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Doomaniac gets some sort of award for writing a haiku and making it sound so natural, it may be an accident. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    My God he did...I know an English teacher who would make love with him right now.
  • Har_Har_the_PirateHar_Har_the_Pirate Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19388Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-reasa+Jun 2 2005, 07:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Jun 2 2005, 07:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Marik Steele+Jun 2 2005, 09:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik Steele @ Jun 2 2005, 09:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jun 2 2005, 08:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jun 2 2005, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I see no benchmarks.
    Something here reeks of fanboy.
    Show me the proof first. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Doomaniac gets some sort of award for writing a haiku and making it sound so natural, it may be an accident. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    My God he did...I know an English teacher who would make love with him right now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    dammit i just got a picture in my head of my middle school english teacher molesting doom
  • The_ThingThe_Thing Join Date: 2003-02-25 Member: 13993Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-6john+Jun 2 2005, 08:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john @ Jun 2 2005, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> why? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because MSI has been caught in a few scandals

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Microstar International Sued for Mainboard Flaws
    Service Company Accuses MSI in Malevolent Quality Reduction

    A hardware and software service company from Vermont filed a legal class-action suit against Microstar International accusing one of the leading mainboard makers in the world of intentionally using low-quality components on its mainboards.

    A report from Reuters claims that the suit, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court last Thursday by Electronic Connection Services Corporation claims that MSI has knowingly used capacitors, devices used to regulate the power supply to microchips, that can leak or even explode and cause mainboards to short-circuit. The suit, which seeks to cover any person or company in the United States who has made a wholesale or retail purchase of an MSI mainboard since 1999, seeks unspecified damages and restitution and other relief.

    Leaking, exploding and deforming capacitors on conventional mainboards is an issue that has been around for years. However, in the last 12 to 36 months the problem has become pretty big as modern chips consume a lot of energy and the risk of capacitors’ failure became extremely serious.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Inquirer article+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Inquirer article)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Compared with two 6800 Ultra in SLI, ATI's Crossfire should end up about 10 per cent faster in 3Dmark05 benchmark, about 30 percent in Splinter cell C.T game and more than 60 percent in Need For Speed Underground 2 game. ATI is talking about results gathered from testing SLI and Crossfire platforms on 1600x1200 resolution, with 4X FSAA and 8X aniso, Athlon 64, 1GB DDR 400 memory, RD480 motherboard with 8.151 driver. ATI used two X850 XT Crossfire cards versus Asus SLI Deluxe board, 71.89 drivers, and two 6800 Ultra cards in SLI.

    Compared with single X850 XT PE card, Crossfire cards performs 10 percent faster in 3Dmark03, more than 60 percent faster in old Return to Castle Wolfenstein and almost 100 percent faster in Splinter cell game. Interesting choice of games, I wonder are those the games that show the biggest difference. We don’t even doubt that.

    Same document implies that Nvidia SLI won't show any performance increase in versus single 6800 Ultra card in The chronicles of Riddick, UT 2004 and Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 games.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Assumptions, not facts which then transforms to the fact that Crossfire won't ship till LATE June

    <!--QuoteBegin-Inquirer+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Inquirer)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    We should see some tests from Computex while officially ATI will send out Crossfire test systems by the end of June. We are more the sort of see it to believe it kind of person so you should take all this with a grain of salt as it comes from ATI.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Kinda hard to estimate performance when the TEST systems aren't even out yet.
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited June 2005
    <a href='http://hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3582' target='_blank'>here are your benchmark results</a>

    next time i should bold the link... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    i dont understand a wrd..but there are the benchmark diagrams
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    I've seen the same benchmarks, and tbh I'm not yet impressed. It's only based on one game (true that Doom3 is said to be a pro-nVidia game but nonetheless...) and we can't really judge.

    We need full benchmarks covering more games, comparing quality settings (hold on, Talesin is coming...) and, my most important criteria, the combination of different cards.
    And a language that I can understand because my Danish isn't fluent <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    you forgot that nothing wasnt really optimized in that test...the drivers where crap, the game was crap...and the mobo was just a prototype... i bet its getting even better than just those few points...
  • Status_QuoStatus_Quo Join Date: 2004-01-30 Member: 25749Members
    edited June 2005
    Summary of the article:
    (Disclaimer: The translation is fairly liberal and not to be taken literally.)

    -

    We got an exclusive chance to test Crossfire. Blah blah test system <i>[edit:] not</i> in our office blah blah. Now here's some pretty pictures for no particular reason.

    [Insert pretty pictures]

    Oh yeah, and here's the stuff we used:

    [Insert hardware specs]

    The catalyst drivers are an unofficial, unknown version with Crossfire support.

    [Insert diagrams]

    So what couldn't happen happened! nVidia's base are belong to Crossfire. Crossfire gave 75-90% higher performance in Doom 3. Oh, and we got 3D Mark 2005 benchmarks as well, but were too lazy to test it with SLI so you'll just get the Crossfire results even though they are pointless on their own.

    The results are interesting because ATI is now first and could do even better with optimization. All this in Doom 3 where nVidia is supposed to be better.

    We'll test it more when there's a retail version.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-sheena yanai+Jun 3 2005, 01:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Jun 3 2005, 01:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you forgot that nothing wasnt really optimized in that test...the drivers where crap, the game was crap...and the mobo was just a prototype... i bet its getting even better than just those few points... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, first prototypes are always like this, but I thought that Crossfire was supposed to be available right about now? I can't understand Danish so how was I supposed to know I'm just looking at charts <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Status_QuoStatus_Quo Join Date: 2004-01-30 Member: 25749Members
    It's Danish? I thought it was Norwegian. Oh, .dk URL.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    GeForce only lost
    By a few frames per second
    Very small difference

    If you want to pay
    500 bucks for a card
    I think they're both good.
  • Status_QuoStatus_Quo Join Date: 2004-01-30 Member: 25749Members
    edited June 2005
    Yes but remember
    It is not yet optimized
    It will be improved
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Status Quo+Jun 3 2005, 05:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Status Quo @ Jun 3 2005, 05:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes but remember
    It is not yet optimized
    It will be improved <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What, by 10 percent?
    Use a slightly faster card
    or the one that's cheap?
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    Well, is crossfire going to be more expensive than SLI? I don't think so, they should be about equivalent. Plus, Crossfire allows putting two different cards together, and that's what's more interesting.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cereal KillR+Jun 3 2005, 05:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal KillR @ Jun 3 2005, 05:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, is crossfire going to be more expensive than SLI? I don't think so, they should be about equivalent. Plus, Crossfire allows putting two different cards together, and that's what's more interesting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, they are the same
    If one is on sale, then there
    You should get that one
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jun 3 2005, 08:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 3 2005, 08:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Status Quo+Jun 3 2005, 05:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Status Quo @ Jun 3 2005, 05:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes but remember
    It is not yet optimized
    It will be improved <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What, by 10 percent?
    Use a slightly faster card
    or the one that's cheap? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you're a fan-boy,
    with lots of daddy's money,
    price matters not.

    People buy the brand.
    Performance? Who gives a *bleep*?
    My brand is "better".
  • Status_QuoStatus_Quo Join Date: 2004-01-30 Member: 25749Members
    edited June 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, is crossfire going to be more expensive than SLI? I don't think so, they should be about equivalent. Plus, Crossfire allows putting two different cards together, and that's what's more interesting.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What he said above
    That is quite an advantage
    It should cost the same
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nil IQ+Jun 3 2005, 05:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil IQ @ Jun 3 2005, 05:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jun 3 2005, 08:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 3 2005, 08:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Status Quo+Jun 3 2005, 05:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Status Quo @ Jun 3 2005, 05:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes but remember
    It is not yet optimized
    It will be improved <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What, by 10 percent?
    Use a slightly faster card
    or the one that's cheap? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you're a fan-boy,
    with lots of daddy's money,
    price matters not.

    People buy the brand.
    Performance? Who gives a *bleep*?
    My brand is "better". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That is what I meant
    But it took you two haikus
    So we are even
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