Extralevels2 Combat > Combat

eliotmat · May 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">It's scientifically proven.</div> Servers running the extralevels2 combat plugin pretty much rule everything. I've never seen such chaos and carnage in any game, but you aero folks need to lower mp_combat time from 60 minutes.

urinalcake · May 2005

As be personal opinion, I'm in agreement for large battles.
Although sometimes, I do prefer vanilla combat.

But most of the time, I prefer no combat at all.

Depot · May 2005

Having ported extralevels2 from amx to amxx (thanks for the help White Panther!), I am very familiar with it's inner workings. With all the hoopla about it's total ability to favor the aliens/marines/whocares team, I can only say,<b> Holler at the server ops!</b> This plugin can easily be configured so that game balance is not affected in the least.

Indeed it is one heck of a good mod. Thanks to Cheeserm for creating it! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

Real_PUA · May 2005

We all should just start at level 50..yeah that would make things much more strategic.

Combat is pretty much worthless with the extra levels, the whole point is that you dont get points to spend on everything you want. If they get cloaking or silence early then you have to think about getting ping/mt for your next level, but with the extra levels there is no more thinking just do it.

Just make a mod that starts us off at level 50 that would be more interesting.

eliotmat · May 2005

There is plenty of thinking to do with extralevels2.

More available upgrades + increased amount of times you can upgrade = more decisions to be made.

I love combat and have come to love it even more with extralevels2.

For those of you unfamiliar with extralevels2 it adds
<b>For Marines</b>: static field, ethereal tracking, cybernetics, reinforced armor, and nano armor.
<b>For Aliens</b>: blood lust, hunger, exthereal shift, and thickened skin.

The above upgrades usually have requirements. For example: A marine wanting to get static field must first have lvl2 weaps, motion tracking, and ethereal tracking. Another example: For an alien to get thickened skin he must first have regeneration and carapace.

There is a larger and more complex tech tree available for both aliens and marines with extralevels2.

Depot · May 2005

Server ops have it within their ability to cap the number of levels per upgrade (I use 5) and adjust the points any given upgrade costs (I use 2 for Cybernetics and StaticField). <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

J_the_battlegorge · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 31 2005, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Server ops have it within their ability to cap the number of levels per upgrade (I use 5) and adjust the points any given upgrade costs (I use 2 for Cybernetics and StaticField). <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
2 for static is okay...
but 2 for cybernetics? thats just rip off

And personally, i dislike these extralevels..
They give way too big advatage to aliens..
1 onos with carapace,celerity,adren & hunger can take out whole marine spawn, in no time.
also, getting bloodlust lvl1 gives you infinite charge, which makes you able to 1hit jetpackers.
and thickened skin..pfft..gives way too much for onos & fades..they become pretty much like immortal, depending on skill of player.

About marine stuff~
Getting static field to max lvl, takes too much time , and when you get it, it's no use for you because aliens either got max lvl of thickened skin or you wont have any other upgrades.
Cybernetics are totally useless.
Same goes for ethreal tracking.
nano & reinforced both are useful, but it takes time to get them at max.
but if we compare these to alien upgrades? Marines wont stand a chance.

Most servers i play co with extralvls, aliens wins 9 games out of 10.

Amped1 · May 2005

Wow people actually like this plug-in? I was under the impression that having your game's balance whittled away to a fine point would annoy you, because it sure does me.

kalimxs · May 2005

its great all the plugins have made combat so much worse rather then addressing its actual faults like web \ gls \ so much else.

Jmmsbnd007 · May 2005

This is the worst plugin NS has ever seen.

phunktion · May 2005

i must admit its fun sometimes. bunny hopping marines and self welding armor.

but its still combat. no depth.

LazyEye · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ May 31 2005, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> This is the worst plugin NS has ever seen.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Agreed.

Splinter_Steve · May 2005

Gotta agree with phunktion. Super cybernetics or the never-ending fade blink are fun. Infinite charge/celerity onos has no counter, I don't care what anyone says. Super nano armor/cybernetics JP barely does either. You'll say each side has it's own great class, but the fact is that neither one is gonna kill the other, so it's just a race to kill the enemy structure. In the end it's still <i>just combat</i>.

Cereal_KillR · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LazyEye @ May 31 2005, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ May 31 2005, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> This is the worst plugin NS has ever seen. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Agreed.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
qft

RBS · May 2005

When I play a game I prefer to play the game as it was originally created. A plugin here or there that does minor tweaks to make life more convenient when playing is great, one that changes the game as drastically as the extralevels plugin is not, at least not in my opinion.

plAstiC · May 2005

NS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited extra lvls 2 + no redemtion + no 3rd hive Abilities > vanilla combat

Depot · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (J the battlegorge @ May 31 2005, 02:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Most servers i play co with extralvls, aliens wins 9 games out of 10.

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Then the alien upgrades need to be nerfed. From the extralevels2.sma, * </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>REMEMBER: IF YOU DONT LIKE SOMETHING, CHANGE IT!!!! I have made it very easy to do this.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Amped! May 31 2005 @ 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Wow people actually like this plug-in? I was under the impression that having your game's balance whittled away to a fine point would annoy you, because it sure does me.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>extralevels2 is one of the most popular downloads on modNS.org, if not THE most popular. So yeah, people like it, some love it.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Splinter Steve? May 31 2005 @ 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Gotta agree with phunktion. Super cybernetics or the never-ending fade blink are fun. Infinite charge/celerity onos has no counter, I don't care what anyone says. Super nano armor/cybernetics JP barely does either. You'll say each side has it's own great class, but the fact is that neither one is gonna kill the other, so it's just a race to kill the enemy structure. In the end it's still just combat.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
My reply to J the battlegorge would apply here. Again, complain to the server ops to balance this plugin, they have the ability to do so.

Zunni · May 2005

To agree with Depot, I see the plug-in everywhere.. GJ on it..

That being said.. I seriously look for servers that DON'T run it... I like combat at the base 10 level 10-15 minute game... But that's just my opinion.

Thansal · May 2005

Personaly, I don't like combat...

however the extra levels stuff makes it sometihng that I like every once in a while.

I generaly prefer to play NS, but every so often I want a different game and I head over to an extra levels server.

and yah, as depot pointed out, this mod is amazingly customizable <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Viper_two_nine_A · May 2005

well i hate those quoting only posts ... normally... but in this case i cant resist.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>This is the worst plugin NS has ever seen.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

!!!

Depot · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ May 31 2005, 05:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> To agree with Depot, I see the plug-in everywhere.. GJ on it..

That being said.. I seriously look for servers that DON'T run it... I like combat at the base 10 level 10-15 minute game... But that's just my opinion.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Thank you. I cannot take the credit for the plugin itself, as Cheeserm developed it. However, I put a great deal of work into porting it to AMX Mod X, and this is where I became educated on it's operation and benefits.

Shadow_Spork · May 2005

I try to keep an open mind about Combat. Extra levels are great, but there are times when things get overkilled, especially with the added "menu" features, like special armour, or extreme regen of adrenaline. To me, those type of mods in game actually kills combat altogether. Sure it's fun, but it can get frustrating sometimes. That's how others end up (or begin to) hate Combat. They hate it because of it, and some hate it even more with the "extended features".

I don't like it, but I play it at a server that runs them anyways.

motsew · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ May 31 2005, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> This is the worst plugin NS has ever seen.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
mmhmm

Al_Kaholic · May 2005

I think I had the most fun with Combat during the first few betas. I know it probably doesn't seem/feel natural to some, but the constant epic clashes of superior tech that lasted nearly an hour per game were quite enjoyable and made you feel good between long bouts of ns_eclipse and ns_hera.

As per the extralevels2 plugin, I'm not <i>that</i> big a fan, but that's really because I don't play too much Combat anymore (plus, extralevels2 is typically equated with a custom map server, and I don't care for several custom maps). Can't really say it unbalances Combat much, as aliens have been winning <i>long</i> before the plugin became popular.

Steel_Monkey · May 2005

I extremely dislike the huge game altering plugins like this. Whenever I join a server that's on co, I type /menu. If its followed by a list of upgrades I leave, if its just echoed in chat I say "thank god".

The extra levels are an interesting idea, but it would take an extraordinary amount of time to tweak it so the balance is just right. Most of the servers that run this have no upgrade/level cap and are 10v10 onos/hmg massacres. These kind of servers take players away from the game itself, and other good servers.

Even if the plugin is capped correctly or balanced I dislike it. I know how many bullets a skulk should die to by experience, I dislike having to adapt to an entirely different game when I join one of the servers running this mod.

Sky · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal KillR @ May 31 2005, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LazyEye @ May 31 2005, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ May 31 2005, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> This is the worst plugin NS has ever seen. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Agreed. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
qft </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
double qft

And you really need to look up "scientifically" and "proven". The words you are looking for are "my" and "opinion".

Depot · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ May 31 2005, 08:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal KillR @ May 31 2005, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LazyEye @ May 31 2005, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ May 31 2005, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> This is the worst plugin NS has ever seen. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Agreed. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
qft </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
double qft

And you really need to look up "scientifically" and "proven". The words you are looking for are "my" and "opinion".</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
double qft? Double Qft? <b>DOUBLE QFT</b> ?? Is this like a double-dog-dare-ya from <i>The Christmas Story </i>? rofl ... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

And in regards to "scientifically" and "proven", according to Cyndane if one says so then it must be so, just ask her. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

eliotmat · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ May 31 2005, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal KillR @ May 31 2005, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LazyEye @ May 31 2005, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ May 31 2005, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> This is the worst plugin NS has ever seen. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Agreed. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
qft </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
double qft

And you really need to look up "scientifically" and "proven". The words you are looking for are "my" and "opinion".  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I had a team of scientists perform lab experiments to prove extralevels2 combat is superior to regular combat.

It's not my opinion.

DaJMasta · May 2005

lol.

I actually think vanilla combat is much better. I remember thinking vanilla was bad, but after playing a bunch more i realized extra levels just seperates the people with the first few kills, makes the aliens overpowered in the long run, and drags games on and on just because everyone has every upgrade.

Sky · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eliotmat @ May 31 2005, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ May 31 2005, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal KillR @ May 31 2005, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LazyEye @ May 31 2005, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ May 31 2005, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> This is the worst plugin NS has ever seen. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Agreed. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
qft </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
double qft

And you really need to look up "scientifically" and "proven". The words you are looking for are "my" and "opinion". </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I had a team of scientists perform lab experiments to prove extralevels2 combat is superior to regular combat.

It's not my opinion.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
You fail at the funny.

Some of us actually enjoy combat (when we play it at all) normally. The reason for this is that those extra levels and upgrades add stuff to the game that, quite frankly, levels the playing field far too much. I'm a decent fade, and a damn good pub fade, but I shouldn't have to struggle to kill a single marine with lvl5 cybernetics, jp or no jp. That's just wrong; leave the player in the game long enough, and he'll just outrun everyone who, in any other version of the game, would be better than him. Oh yeah, that's teaching some good lessons to those players. You wonder why no one can properly play an ns_ map anymore...

Sizer · May 2005

Horribly unbalanced plugin. As soon as a fade appears, it's bg for marines, doubly so with hunger fades and permacharge onos. Usually takes an aimbotting rine to win by that point, and unfortunately a ton of them show up at aero.

Extralevels2 Combat > Combat

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