<!--QuoteBegin-mr drug lord+May 13 2005, 06:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mr drug lord @ May 13 2005, 06:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The pro player has no reason to "prove" himself. Whether or not he wants to is his own preference and fault. Whether or not the nubs see that in him is their problem. He is pro by virtue of what he can do. Existing already in the state is already proof; he does not need to strive to prove himself over newbs he doesn't give a **** about
The pro player is pro by virtue of not only his aim but also because of his decision making. This includes the aspect of movement, dodging, when to go where, when to do what, which may even include going with a squad of dubious confidence. Pros are people and not bots
And the point for many people is simply to win the game. Who has to go out of their way to help random people? It's not like they're dying or being kidnapped into slavery or something. Especially as the random people seem unable to "get" it..
Only people who get it are worth time
No matter how much time the "pro" wastes on "helping" the other players, it won't matter if they are clueless, slow, resistant, biased, which they are unless they prove themselves otherwise. They prove that they get it. Taint hard. Even if they do get it, maybe the "pro" has better things to do, eh?
ain't your grandmothers and babysitters
Hooray indeed. Winning is indeed satisfying. I agree <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Really? They why the @#$@# are they playing with the "nubs"? Why? If it's not to show everyone how l33t they are, and they have no intention of helping people get better, WHY WOULD THEY PLAY WITH THEM?
There is NO @#$@# REASON. Playing with persons of signifcantly lower skill level doesn't make you better, it makes you lazy.
A pro with some brains instead of a desire to show off would WANT to help people get better so that the community (both pro and casual) would grow. But it's fairly obvious that's not what kind of "pro" you are.
"Winning is indeed satisfying. "
No it's not. Not when there is no competition. The only thing satisfying in that condition is the ego inflation you get because you are SHOWING OFF. You are trying to prove how l33t you are. It's not the win that gives you satisfaction. It's the fact that you get to show the "world" that your team won "because of ME".
And all that attitude will do is decrease the popularity of the game.
No NEW players = steadily decreasing population of competitive players.
Your l33tness is hurting you even while your ego is inflating.
You may be "pro" at NS (although I have my doubts) but you suck at basic life skills.
Second of all, you are not granted by the grace of god the right to **** to 50 res <i>every alien round</i>. You are not the pope, you do not rule NS by divine right. Sorry. Build an rt instead of letting your ego get you killed along with an RT. The comm is probably willing to medspam you if you stay put, otherwise it's like spending 10 res so you can teach that skulk not to ambush the great -you-. There is no competition or skill in spawn killing, and it gets downright distasteful sometimes. To relate this to the topic, a hacker's role is to ruin a game in one or many of all sorts of aspects. Thus, they'll have no regard for anything I just said. But sadly enough, some jerks (jerks does NOT mean good players, there are plenty of chumps with egos who get delivered rude awakenings as to skill) are exactly the same.
Third of all let's try to keep this on topic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Really? They why the @#$@# are they playing with the "nubs"? Why? If it's not to show everyone how l33t they are, and they have no intention of helping people get better, WHY WOULD THEY PLAY WITH THEM? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Simply because NS does not have a large enough player base to offer scrims 24/7. The vet server isn't always full, and a majority of the servers do not have written restrictions on skill.
Pubs have random ammounts of skill, unless they control the minimum skill base via reserve slot based on skill, or a password. The vet who is new to the community may not be able to obtain the password and the only server that I know that gives reserve slots based on skill is the NSA veteran server. So if there are no scrims available, and the vet server is not occupied, the veteran player will tend to go on a pub server.
The veteran player cannot control how skilled the other players are, or their competency level, they are going to play the game to be efficent. That is the nature of a competitive player, they want to play the game the way they know how to, just like most other players. The only difference is that some veteran players are not looking for a new best eFriend, and don't socialize with the other players. Quite frankly on some servers I hear people spamming useless things so I just mute them.
If one gets muted that means that either that person is either annoying, or that person has nothing useful to contribute to the rest of the team.
The reason that a vet player will play with nubs is because they want to play the game, but there are no scrims available and the veteran server is either empty or full of all reserve slot holders. There are no other servers that give reserve slots based on skill otherwise there would be competition between NSA and the other party. Until more servers come out that give reserve slots based on skill, I would expect that from time to time veteran players will step on your server.
If you want to ban them, go right ahead, but atleast be honest to yourself and ban them because you do not like them, or because they are too good. Don't ban them for "cheating".
That explanations should answer your question quite well.
<!--QuoteBegin-Splinter Steve?+May 13 2005, 02:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Splinter Steve? @ May 13 2005, 02:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> First of all, I'd like to pat Ahn on the back.
Second of all, you are not granted by the grace of god the right to **** to 50 res <i>every alien round</i>. You are not the pope, you do not rule NS by divine right. Sorry. Build an rt instead of letting your ego get you killed along with an RT. The comm is probably willing to medspam you if you stay put, otherwise it's like spending 10 res so you can teach that skulk not to ambush the great -you-. There is no competition or skill in spawn killing, and it gets downright distasteful sometimes. To relate this to the topic, a hacker's role is to ruin a game in one or many of all sorts of aspects. Thus, they'll have no regard for anything I just said. But sadly enough, some jerks (jerks does NOT mean good players, there are plenty of chumps with egos who get delivered rude awakenings as to skill) are exactly the same.
Third of all let's try to keep this on topic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My, what a terrible post. The second part is near nonsense the way you switch from talking about alien gameplay to marine without a proper transition. That aside you still contradict yourself repeatedly.
So you're the most skilled fade on the team? Too bad, put up a hive you res**** and let someone else do the fading. Hopefully, they may not die, but even if they do you can feel good about yourself because you used efficient teamwork. Nevermind that they could have placed the hive while you held back the marines and then faded at endgame once victory was assured.
If you're skilled enough for the Commander to give you a shotgun to Rambo around with, you're probably not going to lose it to the first idiot skulk who charges headlong at you. Miraculous luck or teamwork on the behalf of the aliens aside, a skilled player who can tear apart the alien team with an LMG can probably do the same with a shotgun.
You also seem like one of those idiots who whines that the teams are uneven when your teammates f4 upon realizing that the game is lost or when the marines spawncamp as they siege/shoot down the hive. (Waaah, my team left when you starting building sieges outside the hive and killing us as we spawned. Why don't you play fair by dropping your guns and holding still for me you jerks?)
Don't call for people to stay on topic when your own post makes no useful contribution to the thread.
Sometimes skilled servers are full empty, sometimes I just want to relax and play without having to worry about dealing with tactically inclined skulks. When I'm the best fighter I spend my time fighting if I have equals in the field I'm more than willing to contribute to the team in other ways, but on the average server I'm best placed in the field. This doesn't make me a hacker or a griefer.
Speedhacking Gorge <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> , recorded by a regular player yesterday.
Mambo, your personal attack towards tjosan's intelligence seems kind've random. He didn't state once that the better team should lose- try reading all of Jim's, Swiftspear's, and my own posts. It should be fairly obvious what we're talking about. Mambo, your points are valid yet entirely off topic. Yes, the better team wins. Yay. Did anyone say they shouldn’t?
Ahnteis, why do you insist that good players are obligated to either help those of lower skill, or not play with them? What makes you think that's your call to make? What kind've a community yells at its players for being better than other players? That's just sad. You’re making up reasons that someone might make to play a video game. Okay, you want my personal reasons? I’ll start and stop with this- I find the game fun. Thus, I play it. Simple, no? I just because places with skill more suited towards my or other’s level aren’t always around, doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be able to play. If I want to play, I’m going to play, and your theories/equations aren’t going to change my mind. I shouldn’t have to cater down to the needs of others, nor should they be expected to change for my needs, but when it comes to the point where people are demanding me to do something for them because they cannot do it themselves, is just plain silly to me.
Granted, I help this game as much as I can- I’ve taught many people how to play it, how to do certain things (From building to Bhopping,) and introduced many players to it over my time here. The difference is, I did this on MY time. I shouldn’t be expected to do this whenever anyone else thinks I should- I’ll do it when I want to for that reason alone.
Steve, your comments are both ironic and quite funny. You go off on a tangent completely unrelated to anything other than saying that Ahnteis is a good guy hooray. After that you seem to divert to personal issues that really don't have much to do with any topic in this thread. A "spawn killer" is nothing like a hacker. Hackers, as you claim, play to ruin the game for others. Did it occur to you that spawn killing has a greater purpose- to end the game? Pray tell, what’s the objective of NS again? What? Wasn’t it to stop the other team from spawning!? Go figure. You can achieve that in temporary ways rather than futile attempts at LMG/Pistoling a hive, or biting on the arms lab placed across from the IPs. Doing this actually helps your team win! Go figure, that when you’re keeping half or more of a team dead, your team won’t have to put up with that much more resistance, and can control the map easier!
PS, the irony is that you state you’re trying to bring the thread back onto topic. Personally, I’m finding this topic much more enjoyable due to that fact that people’s extreme prejudices start to show in the form of direct personal attack or showing actual offence towards comments other members of the community have made.
PPS, who are you to say that a player who’s good at something (In your scenario fading) shouldn’t be allowed to do it? It’d be one thing if the player was hurting your team by fading and dieing to a lone LMG every time, but if they’re actually killing marines and controlling the map for you, why are you complaining? It seems like a jealousy issue to me, but if you claim it’s not than who am I to judge?
And by the way, has it occurred to any of you “I hate the pro’s” types that many of us have tried teaching other members of the community quite a few times, only to find it a waste of our time? There’s no obligation of us to make everyone else as good as ourselves.
Jim, a bunch’ve people pretty much summed up anything I could say. This is just letting you know I agree with them, and their points are all valid. You say you regularly “rush” HA/JP and outfit your whole team before a second hive. Numerically, should teams be “equal skill” shouldn’t be facing off vs JP/HA before the second hive, unless it had died once already. If you’re able to regularly win like that, then the level of alien play seems to be quite low.
I'm sorry if what I said struck a chord with you, but I didn't intend to start the flame war I'm guessing you're looking for. The reason I abruptly tried getting back to the topic is because that's just it-this is getting off-topic. The irony through it all is you lectured me about contradiction, yet you provided nothing in your entire rebuttal of assumptions and misinterpretations that was the slightest bit useful in this topic. Talk to you on PM <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
P.S. I do realize my post started off-topic, but it was in response to what was being said by other off-topic people. I said what I felt since many others already had, then gave the much needed notice that we all need to get back on-topic.
if you were to ban people for being annoying **** you'd probably be banning 75% of people who use irc and a much lower amount of people who just pub
don't always delude yourself into thinking they ban you because you're skillful, chances are you're a stupid flipping retard irregardless of how you play a mod for half-life.
don't always delude yourself into thinking they ban you because you're skillful, chances are you're a stupid flipping retard irregardless of how you play a mod for half-life. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah, stupid flipping retards should be dealt with. however, the thing is that people (yes. -people-) use their "power" in a video game to ban chaps that: disagree with their views of how the game is "supposed to be played" (this leads to orders being ignored and stuff); arent "responding to their team" (in almost all the cases he has entered the server, found EVERYONE chattering on voicecomm about some useless ****, and muted them); are just killing everything in sight.
then - here comes the funny part - people ban the poor fellow, with all kinds of reasons (read: excuses) following.
~bunnyhop scripts ~ramboing ~spawncamping ~just about everything that people can have different opinions about.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->you are not granted by the grace of god the right to **** to 50 res every alien round. You are not the pope, you do not rule NS by divine right. Sorry. Build an rt instead of letting your ego get you killed along with an RT. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
how did it go again? <i>people play this game to have fun...</i> umm, yeah. truth is if someone wants to go fade then let them. let them practice that if that's what they want to do. not everyone likes/wants to fade, they can do something else then.
if the whole team is full of reshoarders then change the server.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The comm is probably willing to medspam you if you stay put, otherwise it's like spending 10 res so you can teach that skulk not to ambush the great -you-. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
stay put while theres 3 skulks on your tail? yes, sounds like a good idea.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There is no competition or skill in spawn killing, and it gets downright distasteful sometimes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
true, but let me remind you that the objective of this game is... what, again?
kill the enemy spawn machine
now, where does the enemy spawn from?
the spawn machine
inevitably, if you attack the enemy then by the time you get to the spawn machine theyve already spawned. so you have to kill them again. THEN, when youre killing the spawn machine they spawn again. a hive has what 7000 hp? so now youre faced with a choice: either kill the recently spawned enemies or let them kill you. wow. that brings us to the point of a point-and-click shooting game that has 2 opposing sides: kill the enemy.
If you manage to get 9 HA/JPs before second hive is up, then your point is moot because obviously the aliens you play against are very, VERY bad.
If you manage to win with a HA rush at 2 hives, then the team you are playing against is still bad, because 2 hive aliens shouldnt ever lose. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yet again i didn't say i could win or even get HA before 2nd hive is up so now im complete confuzzled as to why people are saying that i have said this when i haven't <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Someone please explain where you are getting this HA before 2 hives story from?
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+May 11 2005, 03:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ May 11 2005, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And I seriously doubt a delta marine could solo even an average fade. The thing is, that fade isn't going to be deadly without teamwork (people dropping rts, chambers, hives eventually). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you watch the terror video 1 terror solos 1 exigent fade with a L2 LMG.
Both are delta Teams (Actually Exigent is #1, and Terror is #2, but at the time the standings were reversed) in a match. Imagine what would happen on a pub server with someone with no competitive experience
This is solid evidence that pretty much dismisses your allegation.
I solo pub fades with lmg all the time. That is besides the point though. The point is THAT WINNING IS FUN AND SO I LIKE TO WIN, AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE LOSING MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET BETTER INSTEAD OF JUST COMPLAINING!
<!--QuoteBegin-MrGunner+May 13 2005, 08:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrGunner @ May 13 2005, 08:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I solo pub fades with lmg all the time. That is besides the point though. The point is THAT WINNING IS FUN AND SO I LIKE TO WIN, AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE LOSING MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET BETTER INSTEAD OF JUST COMPLAINING! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The irony of this post is that you are likely to be criticized for your use of the Caps Lock key, where as the pub players who use the Caps Lock key to emphasize a point either goes unoticed or they get a "pat on the back".
<!--QuoteBegin-MrGunner+May 13 2005, 08:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrGunner @ May 13 2005, 08:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I solo pub fades with lmg all the time. That is besides the point though. The point is THAT WINNING IS FUN AND SO I LIKE TO WIN, AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE LOSING MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET BETTER INSTEAD OF JUST COMPLAINING! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But then the forums would die. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Firewater+May 13 2005, 07:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ May 13 2005, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The irony of this post is that you are likely to be criticized for your use of the Caps Lock key, where as the pub players who use the Caps Lock key to emphasize a point either goes unoticed or they get a "pat on the back". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh yeah dude I learned all about irony from Alanis Morrisette.
First off, apologies for the rude comments I made although I stand by the meaning behind it.
Second, third and whatever: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ahnteis, why do you insist that good players are obligated to either help those of lower skill, or not play with them?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As I said, if all you do is kill the newbies, soon, the community will shrink and die. At some point, you have to help them understand the game or you are shooting <b>yourself</b> in the proverbial foot. <b>No new blood = game dies a slow death.</b>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Simply because NS does not have a large enough player base to offer scrims 24/7.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The reason that a vet player will play with nubs is because they want to play the game, but there are no scrims available and the veteran server is either empty or full of all reserve slot holders.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As I said, you need to help the community grow. Spending your time as the "unkillable fade" or the "spawncamper" that all the new players hate will NOT help the community grow.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The veteran player cannot control how skilled the other players are, or their competency level, <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, but they can have an effect on the skill level of others.
You are so worried about showing everyone how l33t your are, (you is a general term not directed to any one person) that you don't see the effect you have on the community.
Now, is the dying NS community (same population size as 1.x but half the servers are playing CO_ now) completely the fault of "pro" players who don't know how to be part of a community? No. Definitely not. However, they are definitely a part of the problem.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ahnteis+May 14 2005, 02:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ahnteis @ May 14 2005, 02:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> First off, apologies for the rude comments I made although I stand by the meaning behind it.
Second, third and whatever: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ahnteis, why do you insist that good players are obligated to either help those of lower skill, or not play with them?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As I said, if all you do is kill the newbies, soon, the community will shrink and die. At some point, you have to help them understand the game or you are shooting <b>yourself</b> in the proverbial foot. <b>No new blood = game dies a slow death.</b>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Simply because NS does not have a large enough player base to offer scrims 24/7.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The reason that a vet player will play with nubs is because they want to play the game, but there are no scrims available and the veteran server is either empty or full of all reserve slot holders.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As I said, you need to help the community grow. Spending your time as the "unkillable fade" or the "spawncamper" that all the new players hate will NOT help the community grow.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The veteran player cannot control how skilled the other players are, or their competency level, <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, but they can have an effect on the skill level of others.
You are so worried about showing everyone how l33t your are, (you is a general term not directed to any one person) that you don't see the effect you have on the community.
Now, is the dying NS community (same population size as 1.x but half the servers are playing CO_ now) completely the fault of "pro" players who don't know how to be part of a community? No. Definitely not. However, they are definitely a part of the problem.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You suggest that the NS population is dying, (that is classic population), but the numbers are the same because of combat. This point is relevant to the skill and competancy levels of the pub servers out there. Classic is not fun for people who do not want to rely on inadequate, forced teamplay from the server players. A potential reason why combat numbers are up are because one can play a game in the Natural Selection game universe without having to rely on teammates that can bring down one's own efficency at the game. In short combat can be more fun because a good player does not have to rely on his team to win. He or she can sometimes take over the game him/herself.
Now this equates back to the "veterans" smashing down the newbies. My point is that most of the veterans learned things on their own. I know I did. I didn't have someone showing me everything, I figured out things on my own. That comes with experience as a gamer. That are those that practice maladaptive, secondary means of getting better (i.e. crying to the admin to get someone banned for "cheats"), people who just don't care, and people who practice adaptive tendencies who learn after every mistake. The game is Natural Selection, it is so ironic how many people fail to adapt, when adaptation is inherent into the games title. Why should Veteran players teach those what they learned on their own? A lot of players I tried to teach called me arrogant, and elitist, because I was pointing out flaws in their gameplay under the guise of looking to improve upon it.
Believe me I know this first hand because I have worked with 100s of players. I honestly felt it was a waste of time, save the 4 or 5 that I helped and actually did something with it. The others were maladaptive and did not keep and open mind to what I was saying. It was basically a waste of my time.
Considering the competitive scene numbers are rising, there is no threat to competitive NS. I see no reason to waste my time, or for anyone else to waste their time to help the generally maladaptive community, with their few exceptions. Those exceptions who learn from their mistakes really don't need much guidance, if any at all.
IF there were enough veteran servers for all competitive players than the pub community would generally be left alone, and they would be able to maintain their illusions of skill. Since there isn't, the veterans who want to play are forced to go into a randomly skilled server (who's distribution is on the lower side of the spectrum) to play the game.
The veterans are not oontributing to the downfall of the community, they are just choosing to play another version of NS that doesn't rely on the incompetent players.
<!--QuoteBegin-Firewater+May 14 2005, 04:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ May 14 2005, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A lot of players I tried to teach called me arrogant, and elitist, because I was pointing out flaws in their gameplay under the guise of looking to improve upon it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Quoted, because many people are too lazy to read a longer post.
I will say this,, its never easy to always tell if the player is using a cheap hack like Da BuzZ Hook 1.7. This disgusting little Software has it all. From Aimbot, ESP, Speedhack, Wallhacks etc.
It’s real obvious when someone is getting 6 kills in a row without even losing any HP or amor. However I have seen some players that are really good at NS and they don’t even use scripts nor this cheap lame app that I just mention.
A script a can handle but when someone is running this hack all they can do is let it run and get all the kills in the world. Its hard to deal with players that like to take the easy way out and cheapen the value of the game. And this Buzz hack is the Worst and I have a hard time keeping my server clean when I got jerks using this hack.
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The pro player is pro by virtue of not only his aim but also because of his decision making. This includes the aspect of movement, dodging, when to go where, when to do what, which may even include going with a squad of dubious confidence. Pros are people and not bots
And the point for many people is simply to win the game. Who has to go out of their way to help random people? It's not like they're dying or being kidnapped into slavery or something. Especially as the random people seem unable to "get" it..
Only people who get it are worth time
No matter how much time the "pro" wastes on "helping" the other players, it won't matter if they are clueless, slow, resistant, biased, which they are unless they prove themselves otherwise. They prove that they get it. Taint hard. Even if they do get it, maybe the "pro" has better things to do, eh?
ain't your grandmothers and babysitters
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Really? They why the @#$@# are they playing with the "nubs"? Why? If it's not to show everyone how l33t they are, and they have no intention of helping people get better, WHY WOULD THEY PLAY WITH THEM?
There is NO @#$@# REASON. Playing with persons of signifcantly lower skill level doesn't make you better, it makes you lazy.
A pro with some brains instead of a desire to show off would WANT to help people get better so that the community (both pro and casual) would grow. But it's fairly obvious that's not what kind of "pro" you are.
"Winning is indeed satisfying. "
No it's not. Not when there is no competition. The only thing satisfying in that condition is the ego inflation you get because you are SHOWING OFF. You are trying to prove how l33t you are. It's not the win that gives you satisfaction. It's the fact that you get to show the "world" that your team won "because of ME".
And all that attitude will do is decrease the popularity of the game.
No NEW players = steadily decreasing population of competitive players.
Your l33tness is hurting you even while your ego is inflating.
You may be "pro" at NS (although I have my doubts) but you suck at basic life skills.
Second of all, you are not granted by the grace of god the right to **** to 50 res <i>every alien round</i>. You are not the pope, you do not rule NS by divine right. Sorry. Build an rt instead of letting your ego get you killed along with an RT. The comm is probably willing to medspam you if you stay put, otherwise it's like spending 10 res so you can teach that skulk not to ambush the great -you-. There is no competition or skill in spawn killing, and it gets downright distasteful sometimes. To relate this to the topic, a hacker's role is to ruin a game in one or many of all sorts of aspects. Thus, they'll have no regard for anything I just said. But sadly enough, some jerks (jerks does NOT mean good players, there are plenty of chumps with egos who get delivered rude awakenings as to skill) are exactly the same.
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Simply because NS does not have a large enough player base to offer scrims 24/7. The vet server isn't always full, and a majority of the servers do not have written restrictions on skill.
Pubs have random ammounts of skill, unless they control the minimum skill base via reserve slot based on skill, or a password. The vet who is new to the community may not be able to obtain the password and the only server that I know that gives reserve slots based on skill is the NSA veteran server. So if there are no scrims available, and the vet server is not occupied, the veteran player will tend to go on a pub server.
The veteran player cannot control how skilled the other players are, or their competency level, they are going to play the game to be efficent. That is the nature of a competitive player, they want to play the game the way they know how to, just like most other players. The only difference is that some veteran players are not looking for a new best eFriend, and don't socialize with the other players. Quite frankly on some servers I hear people spamming useless things so I just mute them.
If one gets muted that means that either that person is either annoying, or that person has nothing useful to contribute to the rest of the team.
The reason that a vet player will play with nubs is because they want to play the game, but there are no scrims available and the veteran server is either empty or full of all reserve slot holders. There are no other servers that give reserve slots based on skill otherwise there would be competition between NSA and the other party. Until more servers come out that give reserve slots based on skill, I would expect that from time to time veteran players will step on your server.
If you want to ban them, go right ahead, but atleast be honest to yourself and ban them because you do not like them, or because they are too good. Don't ban them for "cheating".
That explanations should answer your question quite well.
Second of all, you are not granted by the grace of god the right to **** to 50 res <i>every alien round</i>. You are not the pope, you do not rule NS by divine right. Sorry. Build an rt instead of letting your ego get you killed along with an RT. The comm is probably willing to medspam you if you stay put, otherwise it's like spending 10 res so you can teach that skulk not to ambush the great -you-. There is no competition or skill in spawn killing, and it gets downright distasteful sometimes. To relate this to the topic, a hacker's role is to ruin a game in one or many of all sorts of aspects. Thus, they'll have no regard for anything I just said. But sadly enough, some jerks (jerks does NOT mean good players, there are plenty of chumps with egos who get delivered rude awakenings as to skill) are exactly the same.
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My, what a terrible post. The second part is near nonsense the way you switch from talking about alien gameplay to marine without a proper transition. That aside you still contradict yourself repeatedly.
So you're the most skilled fade on the team? Too bad, put up a hive you res**** and let someone else do the fading. Hopefully, they may not die, but even if they do you can feel good about yourself because you used efficient teamwork. Nevermind that they could have placed the hive while you held back the marines and then faded at endgame once victory was assured.
If you're skilled enough for the Commander to give you a shotgun to Rambo around with, you're probably not going to lose it to the first idiot skulk who charges headlong at you. Miraculous luck or teamwork on the behalf of the aliens aside, a skilled player who can tear apart the alien team with an LMG can probably do the same with a shotgun.
You also seem like one of those idiots who whines that the teams are uneven when your teammates f4 upon realizing that the game is lost or when the marines spawncamp as they siege/shoot down the hive. (Waaah, my team left when you starting building sieges outside the hive and killing us as we spawned. Why don't you play fair by dropping your guns and holding still for me you jerks?)
Don't call for people to stay on topic when your own post makes no useful contribution to the thread.
Sometimes skilled servers are full empty, sometimes I just want to relax and play without having to worry about dealing with tactically inclined skulks. When I'm the best fighter I spend my time fighting if I have equals in the field I'm more than willing to contribute to the team in other ways, but on the average server I'm best placed in the field. This doesn't make me a hacker or a griefer.
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Mambo, your personal attack towards tjosan's intelligence seems kind've random. He didn't state once that the better team should lose- try reading all of Jim's, Swiftspear's, and my own posts. It should be fairly obvious what we're talking about. Mambo, your points are valid yet entirely off topic. Yes, the better team wins. Yay. Did anyone say they shouldn’t?
Ahnteis, why do you insist that good players are obligated to either help those of lower skill, or not play with them? What makes you think that's your call to make? What kind've a community yells at its players for being better than other players? That's just sad. You’re making up reasons that someone might make to play a video game. Okay, you want my personal reasons? I’ll start and stop with this- I find the game fun. Thus, I play it. Simple, no? I just because places with skill more suited towards my or other’s level aren’t always around, doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be able to play. If I want to play, I’m going to play, and your theories/equations aren’t going to change my mind. I shouldn’t have to cater down to the needs of others, nor should they be expected to change for my needs, but when it comes to the point where people are demanding me to do something for them because they cannot do it themselves, is just plain silly to me.
Granted, I help this game as much as I can- I’ve taught many people how to play it, how to do certain things (From building to Bhopping,) and introduced many players to it over my time here. The difference is, I did this on MY time. I shouldn’t be expected to do this whenever anyone else thinks I should- I’ll do it when I want to for that reason alone.
Steve, your comments are both ironic and quite funny. You go off on a tangent completely unrelated to anything other than saying that Ahnteis is a good guy hooray. After that you seem to divert to personal issues that really don't have much to do with any topic in this thread. A "spawn killer" is nothing like a hacker. Hackers, as you claim, play to ruin the game for others. Did it occur to you that spawn killing has a greater purpose- to end the game? Pray tell, what’s the objective of NS again? What? Wasn’t it to stop the other team from spawning!? Go figure. You can achieve that in temporary ways rather than futile attempts at LMG/Pistoling a hive, or biting on the arms lab placed across from the IPs. Doing this actually helps your team win! Go figure, that when you’re keeping half or more of a team dead, your team won’t have to put up with that much more resistance, and can control the map easier!
PS, the irony is that you state you’re trying to bring the thread back onto topic. Personally, I’m finding this topic much more enjoyable due to that fact that people’s extreme prejudices start to show in the form of direct personal attack or showing actual offence towards comments other members of the community have made.
PPS, who are you to say that a player who’s good at something (In your scenario fading) shouldn’t be allowed to do it? It’d be one thing if the player was hurting your team by fading and dieing to a lone LMG every time, but if they’re actually killing marines and controlling the map for you, why are you complaining? It seems like a jealousy issue to me, but if you claim it’s not than who am I to judge?
And by the way, has it occurred to any of you “I hate the pro’s” types that many of us have tried teaching other members of the community quite a few times, only to find it a waste of our time? There’s no obligation of us to make everyone else as good as ourselves.
Jim, a bunch’ve people pretty much summed up anything I could say. This is just letting you know I agree with them, and their points are all valid. You say you regularly “rush” HA/JP and outfit your whole team before a second hive. Numerically, should teams be “equal skill” shouldn’t be facing off vs JP/HA before the second hive, unless it had died once already. If you’re able to regularly win like that, then the level of alien play seems to be quite low.
Understand now, everyone?
P.S. I do realize my post started off-topic, but it was in response to what was being said by other off-topic people. I said what I felt since many others already had, then gave the much needed notice that we all need to get back on-topic.
don't always delude yourself into thinking they ban you because you're skillful, chances are you're a stupid flipping retard irregardless of how you play a mod for half-life.
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yeah, stupid flipping retards should be dealt with. however, the thing is that people (yes. -people-) use their "power" in a video game to ban chaps that: disagree with their views of how the game is "supposed to be played" (this leads to orders being ignored and stuff); arent "responding to their team" (in almost all the cases he has entered the server, found EVERYONE chattering on voicecomm about some useless ****, and muted them); are just killing everything in sight.
then - here comes the funny part - people ban the poor fellow, with all kinds of reasons (read: excuses) following.
~bunnyhop scripts
~ramboing
~spawncamping
~just about everything that people can have different opinions about.
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how did it go again? <i>people play this game to have fun...</i> umm, yeah. truth is if someone wants to go fade then let them. let them practice that if that's what they want to do. not everyone likes/wants to fade, they can do something else then.
if the whole team is full of reshoarders then change the server.
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stay put while theres 3 skulks on your tail? yes, sounds like a good idea.
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true, but let me remind you that the objective of this game is... what, again?
kill the enemy spawn machine
now, where does the enemy spawn from?
the spawn machine
inevitably, if you attack the enemy then by the time you get to the spawn machine theyve already spawned. so you have to kill them again. THEN, when youre killing the spawn machine they spawn again. a hive has what 7000 hp? so now youre faced with a choice: either kill the recently spawned enemies or let them kill you. wow. that brings us to the point of a point-and-click shooting game that has 2 opposing sides: kill the enemy.
If you manage to get 9 HA/JPs before second hive is up, then your point is moot because obviously the aliens you play against are very, VERY bad.
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Yet again i didn't say i could win or even get HA before 2nd hive is up so now im complete confuzzled as to why people are saying that i have said this when i haven't <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Someone please explain where you are getting this HA before 2 hives story from?
If you watch the terror video 1 terror solos 1 exigent fade with a L2 LMG.
Both are delta Teams (Actually Exigent is #1, and Terror is #2, but at the time the standings were reversed) in a match. Imagine what would happen on a pub server with someone with no competitive experience
This is solid evidence that pretty much dismisses your allegation.
The irony of this post is that you are likely to be criticized for your use of the Caps Lock key, where as the pub players who use the Caps Lock key to emphasize a point either goes unoticed or they get a "pat on the back".
But then the forums would die. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh yeah dude I learned all about irony from Alanis Morrisette.
Second, third and whatever:
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As I said, if all you do is kill the newbies, soon, the community will shrink and die. At some point, you have to help them understand the game or you are shooting <b>yourself</b> in the proverbial foot. <b>No new blood = game dies a slow death.</b>
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The reason that a vet player will play with nubs is because they want to play the game, but there are no scrims available and the veteran server is either empty or full of all reserve slot holders.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As I said, you need to help the community grow. Spending your time as the "unkillable fade" or the "spawncamper" that all the new players hate will NOT help the community grow.
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No, but they can have an effect on the skill level of others.
You are so worried about showing everyone how l33t your are, (you is a general term not directed to any one person) that you don't see the effect you have on the community.
Now, is the dying NS community (same population size as 1.x but half the servers are playing CO_ now) completely the fault of "pro" players who don't know how to be part of a community? No. Definitely not. However, they are definitely a part of the problem.
Second, third and whatever:
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As I said, if all you do is kill the newbies, soon, the community will shrink and die. At some point, you have to help them understand the game or you are shooting <b>yourself</b> in the proverbial foot. <b>No new blood = game dies a slow death.</b>
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As I said, you need to help the community grow. Spending your time as the "unkillable fade" or the "spawncamper" that all the new players hate will NOT help the community grow.
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No, but they can have an effect on the skill level of others.
You are so worried about showing everyone how l33t your are, (you is a general term not directed to any one person) that you don't see the effect you have on the community.
Now, is the dying NS community (same population size as 1.x but half the servers are playing CO_ now) completely the fault of "pro" players who don't know how to be part of a community? No. Definitely not. However, they are definitely a part of the problem.
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You suggest that the NS population is dying, (that is classic population), but the numbers are the same because of combat. This point is relevant to the skill and competancy levels of the pub servers out there. Classic is not fun for people who do not want to rely on inadequate, forced teamplay from the server players. A potential reason why combat numbers are up are because one can play a game in the Natural Selection game universe without having to rely on teammates that can bring down one's own efficency at the game. In short combat can be more fun because a good player does not have to rely on his team to win. He or she can sometimes take over the game him/herself.
Now this equates back to the "veterans" smashing down the newbies. My point is that most of the veterans learned things on their own. I know I did. I didn't have someone showing me everything, I figured out things on my own. That comes with experience as a gamer. That are those that practice maladaptive, secondary means of getting better (i.e. crying to the admin to get someone banned for "cheats"), people who just don't care, and people who practice adaptive tendencies who learn after every mistake. The game is Natural Selection, it is so ironic how many people fail to adapt, when adaptation is inherent into the games title. Why should Veteran players teach those what they learned on their own? A lot of players I tried to teach called me arrogant, and elitist, because I was pointing out flaws in their gameplay under the guise of looking to improve upon it.
Believe me I know this first hand because I have worked with 100s of players. I honestly felt it was a waste of time, save the 4 or 5 that I helped and actually did something with it. The others were maladaptive and did not keep and open mind to what I was saying. It was basically a waste of my time.
Considering the competitive scene numbers are rising, there is no threat to competitive NS. I see no reason to waste my time, or for anyone else to waste their time to help the generally maladaptive community, with their few exceptions. Those exceptions who learn from their mistakes really don't need much guidance, if any at all.
IF there were enough veteran servers for all competitive players than the pub community would generally be left alone, and they would be able to maintain their illusions of skill. Since there isn't, the veterans who want to play are forced to go into a randomly skilled server (who's distribution is on the lower side of the spectrum) to play the game.
The veterans are not oontributing to the downfall of the community, they are just choosing to play another version of NS that doesn't rely on the incompetent players.
Quoted, because many people are too lazy to read a longer post.
has it all.
From Aimbot, ESP, Speedhack, Wallhacks etc.
It’s real obvious when someone is getting 6 kills in a row without even losing any HP or amor.
However I have seen some players that are really good at NS and they don’t even use scripts nor this cheap lame app that I just mention.
A script a can handle but when someone is running this hack all they can do is let it run and get all the kills in the world.
Its hard to deal with players that like to take the easy way out and cheapen the value of the game.
And this Buzz hack is the Worst and I have a hard time keeping my server clean when I got jerks using this hack.