Crt Vs Tft

Heliocentric · May 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">new monitor</div> so... my monitor is 5 years old... since i spilled juice on my keyboard the monitor is the only origional part on my rig (pc case omitted).

a 19 inch crt with a small and occasional creeping red flicker at the bottom right supressed for a while by degaussing my monitor.

but, i cant help but think my image quality will be poor, that i'm not seeing most of the games i play in their true eplendor without turning the brightness and contrast so high it threatens to burns my retina a permanent image.

so... i cant really go a lower size, when i use my friends pc with a smaller monitor i lose all sense of immersion.

so, i hear that lcd is better for your eyes (more 12 hour ns marathons), offers a sharper image (more cloaked skulks whining at my pistol whip), but an amount of ghosting and weak refresh rates (getting killed by leap skulks) even if the box values imply a good rate they seem to be rates they can run at perfectly on a perfect image.

crt, cheaper, more control and freedom on the resolution.

i dunno, before i was thinking LCD/TFT all the way, now i'm not so sure. Help!

urinalcake · May 2005

you talking about ns play or just in general?

technically, crt is better for gaming and media, it has a wider range and it's technology has been more advanced.

Rapier7 · May 2005

The Viewsonic 8 ms TFT should suit you fine. Full 16.7 million color spectrum as well (none of this dithering ****), at least, I think so. It isn't that hard on the wallet compared to other LCDs either.

But the LCDs will do just as much damage to your eyes if you don't have proper lighting. And make sure that your LCD has DVI, that is essential.

Heliocentric · May 2005

well... in general, with NS as a large chunk of that.

i mean, i dont care about how my monitor handles firefox when i'm googling pr0n, but i'm not saying i wont be doing that.

but when i'm playing ns/ns:s/other games i want to be able to get the most out of it, my graphics card is a geforce 5700 fx, so its hardly top of the line, yet... it handles HL2, so i guess really i want it for games but having it do other things is dandy <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

so, your saying crt? i'm expecting to hear the same from others but any models/ranges you can recomend?

Cyndane · May 2005

Any of the sony trinitron, or the gateway vivitron crts are extremely hawt.

They do cost a bit more, but they are moste definately worth the extra.

I had mine for 10 yrs before the tubes died finally, and just replaced it with a refurbished one. Totally awesomesauce.

esuna · May 2005

I'd say go with a CRT.

Massive leaps have been made that any ghosting, refresh rate or view angle issues on a TFT monitor are negligible (Except maybe not the last one, i still find it's an issue), but when it comes down to it, if you have the space, a CRT will set you back a lot less for a larger screen, without any refresh rate, ghosting or viewing angle issues, it's just plain value for money.

That, and the fixed resolutions on TFT monitors **** me off no end, the resolution's always too low for what i prefer working with.

Depot · May 2005

Go for the CRT.

Btw, degaussing reverses the effects that strong magnetic fields have caused. Do you have speakers or an electric motor in close vicinity to your monitor?

Cyndane · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 13 2005, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Go for the CRT.

Btw, degaussing reverses the effects that strong magnetic fields have caused. Do you have speakers or an electric motor in close vicinity to your monitor?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Its probably speakers.. or he has his computer too close with a side panel missing... shh.. that was my problem for a while. :-)

DaJMasta · May 2005

unless you do alot of LAN work, or dont have much space, go CRT, for the same price as a decent LCD u can get an awesome and huge CRT.

For lots of lan partying, or a small desk/room, go for the LCD/TFT. I have an LCD for both of those reasons, cost a pretty penny, but its got good picture quality and is decent resolution and size.

Some reccomendations for LCDs though:
For games 15ms responce time is MAXIMUM, 12 or lower is much more preferred.
Get something with a good contrast ratio, brightness matters only in well lit areas mostly, but contrast will make black look black, not grey or some other crap.
If you get a decent sized screen (i'd hope) get a minimum resolution of 1280x1024 or an equivalent, CRTs achieve almost any resolution you want, but some LCDs look really bad when not at their native resolution or a multiple thereof.

theclam · May 2005

Only go LCD if you NEED the small form factor. CRTs are better in almost every other way.

TheMunch8 · May 2005

I switched over to my LCD after years of CRT lovin. All I can say, is i am very glad i made the switch over. It took about a year of shopping around and consideration, but i finally decided on the Dell 2001FP. It is a 20.1 inch, 16 ms monster. It has Composite in, Svideo in, DVI, VGA, and a 4 port USB 2 hub (2 on the back, and 2 on the side for easy plug in). It also has Picture in Picture. It cost me around 500 bucks for it. It is one of the best buys i have ever made for the pure fact that it saves me time, and effort. Yes, some people might say they see ghosting on it. Some people say the colors arn't right. At 1600x1200, I can easily run games at both 1600x1200 and 800x600 (for older ones). TBH, I can't tell any difference between my old CRT and this LCD. Maybe my eyes arn't Ultra sensitive to stuff like this, but I don't see any difference besdies viewing angle, which will never effect me, as I will be sitting right infront of it. Yes, I could have gotten a 20 inch CRT for like 100 or so, but I saved a *lot* of room, I now have more USB ports, and I have a lot of inputs (I play my Gamecube on the Composite in, and plug in the 2 audio into the microphone of the computer and play Gamecube <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /> ). If you don't have the money, Go for a CRT and start saving. A really good LCD costs a lot. By the time you have enough money, LCDs will probably been out long enough to be past CRTS for most things (as they are about even now)

Cereal_KillR · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 14 2005, 03:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Any of the sony trinitron, or the gateway vivitron crts are extremely hawt.

They do cost a bit more, but they are moste definately worth the extra.

I had mine for 10 yrs before the tubes died finally, and just replaced it with a refurbished one. Totally awesomesauce.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Agreed.

I have a Sony Multiscan G420, and it's the awseomest piece of awesome I've ever had. I forgot the pricetag, I bought it from my brother for 100 Euros (he wanted a new screen)

Taaketa · May 2005

I have a TFT garunteed never to get spots and has a 10ms repsonse time.. for switching colours... its only 17" but does me fine. Plus now I don't have to lug a huge monitor to an allnighter anymore... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

That was mainly my reasons for getting the TFT... freaking mointor is a **** to carry upstairs..

kolokol · May 2005

Dell seems to have the best LCD's around atm. Go for one of their 16 ms 20".
www.anandtech.com is the place to go for reviews. Don't go for a 8 or 12 ms just yet btw, they display less colours. E.g. an 8 ms display may be 8 bit not 16.
Take a peek at the 2005 fpw, its also used by apple and is tempting me muchly!
CRT's will still have the edge but i cba with a big box anymore.

daidalos · May 2005

Go for the crt.
I have an extremly old 15" TFT, because I haven't much room on my desk... and because I can play all day long without my starting to hurt.
One time I played ns when I was at my friends home. He has an CRT and ... oh em gee, it is ALOT faster than my old thing.
But I got used to the TFT so it would be difficult for me to switch over to a CRT.

You have to decide what is the best for you. I recommend you a CRT

Heliocentric · May 2005

much input!

needs thinking about..

now i think about it, since i grew more headphone dependant the gaussing isnt needed so much. so you are probably right there on the speakers being the issue.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

size doesnt bother me, hell... i'm not even sure my monitor is poorly... but i've owned it 5 years.. a daewoo 715b and its a damn good monitor, i just wonder if i'm getting less out of my visuals than i could.. on the same hand, i am using onboard sound and 2.0(stereo) headphones.

so, yea... maybe i need to catch up somewhat >_<

gyMe · May 2005

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Jmmsbnd007 · May 2005

Get an LCD, unless you notice ghosting. 20ms is fine for some people whereas 12 isn't for others. Always try to see how it looks in real life before you buy over the internet. An LCD is a little easier on your eyes, but a good CRT is, too. I'd go with the CRT and pocket the rest of the money.

XCan · May 2005

Don't forget that TFTs consume much less power too.

Cereal_KillR · May 2005

Go to a shop, ask the vendor if you can try to see some things on the screen.

Open a picture/webpage/graphic, watch a movie with action, and try to play a small game scene.

Normally, the vendor will be a little **** off if you spend too much time, but he should allow you to do some stuff to check it out. If he doesn't, organize a boycott <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />
Honestly, the best you can do is look for yourself, ask for advice at the shop, and try a few.

juice · May 2005

I have a 21" CRT. It's great... except big CRTs totally kill your pineal gland. Get plenty of sun to compensate and you should be ok.

Cole · May 2005

If you go with an LCD just make sure the response time is as low as possible. I think 8 is the lowest you can get for reasonable prices. The best monitor I've ever seen can be found <a href='http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6988316&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01011&id=1099390028792' target='_blank'>here.</a>

I recommend CRT's for gamers. They are cheap, they last long amounts of time, and for gaming it doesn't get any better. You never here someone talking about lower response times for CRT's because they are made to be pure gaming ownage to begin with.

Cereal_KillR · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cole @ May 15 2005, 07:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If you go with an LCD just make sure the response time is as <b>short/low</b>as possible. I think 8 is the lowest you can get for reasonable prices. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Fixed for logic.

Taaketa · May 2005

Oh just a passing thought... If you do get a TFT... your not gonna want to use a CRT again. In my work I had to get a TFT monitor for my desktop there because the CRT was giving me headaches. And I have been using a TFT all the time at home. I only presume my toughness I had against my old CRT has worn away.

XCan · May 2005

Cheap CRTs isn't better than the average TFT. I know because I bought the cheapest samsung CRT 3 years ago, and my new TFT is much better.

Thaldarin · May 2005

As Taaketa has I too got headaches from spending long amounts of time on a CRT monitor. I use TFT for the pure fact it is better on my health, CRT as I understand are better for gamers, but I have never noticed a difference in delays. The delays are also the tiniest delays ever, don't impact you much as far as I can see... whats 16ms between eye and monitor, not alot I'd say.

I would recommend the TFT due to less space required and the ability to hook most up to DVI. I would also imagine (don't quote me on this though) that TFT will have longer life than CRT.

EDIT: You got to love the damn poopy terminology I am using from having no sleep in 46hours.

Taaketa · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thaldarin @ May 15 2005, 04:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I would also imagine (don't quote me on this though) that TFT will have longer life than CRT. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
bbbbbbzzzzzzzzzttt wrong <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

You loose the million dollar prize.

TFTs probaly have a max age of 3 years... at least thats a figure I picked about a year ago aftering getting my TFT.

Having said that... My TFT hasn't had any spots appearing yet, and is still as bright as the day I got it.

Oh and by the way... anyone who does have a TFT out there? Run a blank screensaver... It gives the monitor a break when you not there. (No TFTs do not suffer from the "burnt" image effect but those little bouncy electrons can get stuck if they keep bouncing for the same colour all the time (yeah I know really techie <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />))

theclam · May 2005

The one big thing that I have against TFTs, is the resolution. They can only run in one resolution, so if you want to run in another, it has to interpolate. Therefore, if you buy a 1600x1200 or 1280x1024 (I don't know why they even have 1280x1024, it's the only common 5:4 resolution) TFT, then you're going to have to keep on upgrading your computer, so that your games will run well at that resolution.

Jmmsbnd007 · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Taaketa @ May 15 2005, 05:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thaldarin @ May 15 2005, 04:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I would also imagine (don't quote me on this though) that TFT will have longer life than CRT. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
bbbbbbzzzzzzzzzttt wrong <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

You loose the million dollar prize.

TFTs probaly have a max age of 3 years... at least thats a figure I picked about a year ago aftering getting my TFT.

Having said that... My TFT hasn't had any spots appearing yet, and is still as bright as the day I got it.

Oh and by the way... anyone who does have a TFT out there? Run a blank screensaver... It gives the monitor a break when you not there. (No TFTs do not suffer from the "burnt" image effect but those little bouncy electrons can get stuck if they keep bouncing for the same colour all the time (yeah I know really techie <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />))  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
You're thinking of the LCD backlight, which is usually a long-lasting CCFL. Also, monitor burning is virtually non-existant these days.

Ravatar · May 2005

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Dakou · May 2005

I've been using a crt all these years as well, but I've been waiting for a tft good (read fast) enough.

First one that I saw was Samsungs 172x with a response of 8ms, but I decided to wait. Now there's a new monitor coming out for a reasonable price;

Viewsonic VX924

It comes in at 4 ms response time (grey to grey)
Only bad thing i've seen really is that it's only 1280 * 1024. But the price should be ok, around $500.

I'm off to look at the performance as soon as I see a store that starts selling them here, and hopefully I will buy it.

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