Bs_0 Vs Bs_1 Tournaments.

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  • digzdigz be still, maggot Join Date: 2002-05-07 Member: 588Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-TheAdj+Apr 26 2005, 02:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheAdj @ Apr 26 2005, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In other words, none of the things you listed as advantages for scripting are really advantages to scripting. What you listed were problems inherent to any FPS game that affect the novice gamer. Once you learn how to control the game more, a better control setup is possible, and this fixes most, if not all, of the problems beyond basic end user skill. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sure they are. You are arguing alternatives to scripting, but my Pros are unaffected; there is more then one way to skin a cat, afterall. If you say that its not possible to do any of the above Pros with scripting, then of course they wouldnt be advantages.
  • Krazy_GlueKrazy_Glue Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16393Members
    edited April 2005
    i script...a lot
    im lazy and i like to have every action i could possible ever need in game bound to the keys in the qwer "columns" and my mouse

    id like to think of myself as a preety fair player, on a bs 0 server
    if you were to throw me on a bs1 server for a scrim, you will easily notice that i am playing horribly

    however, this has nothing to do with wether i can use my pistol script or 3jump or not. No this is all because i am <i>used</i> to having my pscript and 3jump.

    playing with bs1 hinders me the same way a player who secretly had his keys rebound is hindered. bs1 forces me to use a new playing style, which by all means i can get used to, but would really rather not.
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-digz+Apr 26 2005, 06:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (digz @ Apr 26 2005, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Diablo fx+Apr 26 2005, 08:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo fx @ Apr 26 2005, 08:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Btw, anyone could point me to a lagel program that lets me rebind mouse2 to anything?

    Thanks <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showforum=62' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showforum=62</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A legal program from the outside of hl ?
  • ghamgham United Kingdom Join Date: 2003-05-01 Member: 15991Members
    Personally I'm anti script.

    The general concensus seems to be well they don't actually do much for you, I don't believe the scripts have a massive impact on a game either.

    Well if they don't why use them? To save time, to save you pressing a button here and there. Enabling you to concentrate on other things? The fact is you wouldn't use them if they weren't beneficial in some way.

    Being lazy is absolute bs. It's another attempt to cut down things that hinder you in ns, regardless of the extent of their impact. Ambient sounds? Do they mean you cant hear the other team as well? Get rid of them. No MASSIVE advantage, but a little help yes?

    Exactly. Just another little thing. People conatntly strive to find ways of improving their performance in ns through the use of absolutely anything thats slightly beneficial. Marines spamming duck so they can move silently if done right at a normal pace? How can you even justify that, why are there footsteps in the game?

    Oh I just want to customise my game. K well use the ingame options menu then.

    Before I get another well I'm just as good without scripts. Fine, play without them then? You won't be affected but you can satisfy us guys. No lose situation?
  • MrGunnerMrGunner Join Date: 2003-01-03 Member: 11757Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-gham+May 1 2005, 05:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gham @ May 1 2005, 05:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh I just want to customise my game. K well use the ingame options menu then.
    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I like to customize my game too which is why I use a half-life command called alias to make binds that are super kicky awesome. I then play on mp_bs 0 servers where this is a common practice.

    Sometimes though I want to play without having to worry about playing to help my team so I join a mp_bs 1 server or a combat server and dominate. This is what NS is all about.
  • FirewaterFirewater Balance Expert Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10690Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-gham+May 1 2005, 06:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gham @ May 1 2005, 06:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Personally I'm anti script.

    The general concensus seems to be well they don't actually do much for you, I don't believe the scripts have a massive impact on a game either.

    Well if they don't why use them? To save time, to save you pressing a button here and there. Enabling you to concentrate on other things? The fact is you wouldn't use them if they weren't beneficial in some way.

    Being lazy is absolute bs. It's another attempt to cut down things that hinder you in ns, regardless of the extent of their impact. Ambient sounds? Do they mean you cant hear the other team as well? Get rid of them. No MASSIVE advantage, but a little help yes?

    Exactly. Just another little thing. People conatntly strive to find ways of improving their performance in ns through the use of absolutely anything thats slightly beneficial. Marines spamming duck so they can move silently if done right at a normal pace? How can you even justify that, why are there footsteps in the game?

    Oh I just want to customise my game. K well use the ingame options menu then.

    Before I get another well I'm just as good without scripts. Fine, play without them then? You won't be affected but you can satisfy us guys. No lose situation? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    your personal stance has no effect on whether there should be a BS_0 or BS_1 tournament.

    There is no justification for this post, as it is an attack against competitive players who use scripts.

    This is not an arguement of whether scripts are beneficial or not, this is a moot debate as tournaments should be allowed.

    Your post is passive-aggressive flame against those who use scripts.

    Its good though, its nice to weed out those who know what they are talking about from those who think they are. One step closer to keeping this forum for competitive players.
  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    So disagreing with you means it´s a flame?

    I totally agree with Graham on this point, and I wish the game could be kept clear. Anything that pulls the game away from non game play related skills and towards awarding pure game play related skills is good imo.
  • digzdigz be still, maggot Join Date: 2002-05-07 Member: 588Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+May 2 2005, 10:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ May 2 2005, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So disagreing with you means it´s a flame? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, the point Firewater is trying to make here is that ghams post is off topic and nearly a flame. Although I dont approve of Firewater taking action on behalf of the forum administrators or moderators, untill a decision is made regarding these forums I suspect this is something that will be seen more often.

    Please, as Ive begged earlier, stay on topic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> in regards to tournament play and the outcome of using BS_1 and BS_0 configurations.
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    edited May 2005
    You're worried about people using things which increase their ability to play without becoming more skilled yet play a game with cloaking. Scripts will never effect the outcome of the match because scripts only do what are humanly possible. Who's to say that event X only happened because he had a pistol script or 3 jump? Do you want to run the scenario over and over again 100 times to see if it's true or not? Sometimes the cookie crumbles your way, sometimes it doesn't, just suck it up and play. Oh and for the record, ignorance is bliss, right. I mean, if YOU can't do it then NO ONE can.
  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    My fading is so kool how I switch from blink to swipe constantly. Praise mousewheeldown to slot 2 and | (PIPE) to slot 1 <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    For the record I use only one script a +3jump one <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • surprisesurprise Join Date: 2003-01-16 Member: 12382Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-milosis+May 2 2005, 07:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (milosis @ May 2 2005, 07:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-gham+May 1 2005, 06:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gham @ May 1 2005, 06:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Before I get another well I'm just as good without scripts. Fine, play without them then? You won't be affected but you can satisfy us guys. No lose situation? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yes because thats my ultimate goal. to satisfy the needs of some random pubbers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    now thats ignorant...

    there are even clanners who agree with bs 1
  • KingOfCloudsKingOfClouds Join Date: 2005-05-02 Member: 50710Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-surprise+May 2 2005, 02:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (surprise @ May 2 2005, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    now thats ignorant...

    there are even clanners who agree with bs 1 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Europeans.
  • AmplifierAmplifier Join Date: 2004-02-19 Member: 26708Members, Constellation
    Play using scripts just has a different control preference. Recently I switched over to mwheel and got rid of the rest of my scripts just so I can play on mp_bs 1 servers. The transition takes about a day or two and you are back at your game. It is all about preference.
  • surprisesurprise Join Date: 2003-01-16 Member: 12382Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-KingOfClouds+May 2 2005, 08:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KingOfClouds @ May 2 2005, 08:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-surprise+May 2 2005, 02:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (surprise @ May 2 2005, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    now thats ignorant...

    there are even clanners who agree with bs 1 <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Europeans. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yup










    so what? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Jmmsbnd007Jmmsbnd007 Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9793Banned, Constellation
    Why is it that every sensibile euro that I've talked to is pro-script?
  • FirewaterFirewater Balance Expert Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10690Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-digz+May 2 2005, 12:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (digz @ May 2 2005, 12:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+May 2 2005, 10:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ May 2 2005, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So disagreing with you means it´s a flame? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, the point Firewater is trying to make here is that ghams post is off topic and nearly a flame. Although I dont approve of Firewater taking action on behalf of the forum administrators or moderators, untill a decision is made regarding these forums I suspect this is something that will be seen more often.

    Please, as Ive begged earlier, stay on topic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> in regards to tournament play and the outcome of using BS_1 and BS_0 configurations. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The sooner you make a decision, the sooner I can stop gathering evidence, and the sooner I or any other competitive player does not have to establish points against the inexperienced.
  • GoDlolGoDlol Join Date: 2005-01-08 Member: 33703Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Amplifier+May 2 2005, 02:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Amplifier @ May 2 2005, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Play using scripts just has a different control preference. Recently I switched over to mwheel and got rid of the rest of my scripts just so I can play on mp_bs 1 servers. The transition takes about a day or two and you are back at your game. It is all about preference. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I too did this right after season 4 cal finals
  • ghamgham United Kingdom Join Date: 2003-05-01 Member: 15991Members
    My post was in reply to earlier people discussing the use of scripting.. which has been done all throughout this topic. I simply pointed out that scripts are beneficial, or they wouldn't be used.

    Don't try to make it out like I just hijacked this thread.

    The essential point of my post was clear? If scripts don't give an advantage as so many claim, why can't people play without them?

    Also I'll just type it incase I'm obviously not clear enough in my posts. I prefer bs_1 tournaments. It would just keep everyone happy, because you can play just as well without them yes? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • AmplifierAmplifier Join Date: 2004-02-19 Member: 26708Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-gham+May 3 2005, 04:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gham @ May 3 2005, 04:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My post was in reply to earlier people discussing the use of scripting.. which has been done all throughout this topic. I simply pointed out that scripts are beneficial, or they wouldn't be used.

    Don't try to make it out like I just hijacked this thread.

    The essential point of my post was clear? If scripts don't give an advantage as so many claim, why can't people play without them?

    Also I'll just type it incase I'm obviously not clear enough in my posts. I prefer bs_1 tournaments. It would just keep everyone happy, because you can play just as well without them yes? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    People like to use space instead of mwheel.

    Preference.
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    edited May 2005
    blah blah sneakers anology was better <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (read down?!)
  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    I'd rather compare scripts in NS to anti-spinn in formula 1.
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    I'm waiting for the idiot who compares them to aimbot.
  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-MrBen+May 3 2005, 07:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrBen @ May 3 2005, 07:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm waiting for the idiot who compares them to aimbot. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm waiting for you to stop spewing bile.
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-MrBen+May 3 2005, 02:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrBen @ May 3 2005, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm waiting for the idiot who compares them to aimbot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <_<
    >_>

    <span style='font-size:6pt;line-height:100%'>Scripts are like aimbots</span>

    Anyway i am still waiting for Malibu to answer the following question
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->QUOTE (Malibu Stacey @ Apr 23 2005, 09:10 PM)
    I also like the hypocrisy espoused by the championing of mp_blockscripts 1 in conjunction with mp_consistency 0 by some leagues/tournaments.  <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Can you actually name a league, that uses mp_bs 1 but not mp_const 1.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    edited May 2005
    More bile? Like how i use a script to make up for my lack of skill, not lack of hardware?
  • FirewaterFirewater Balance Expert Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10690Members, Constellation
    Scripts are like a nice, light pair of basketball sneakers. The weight of the shoes may give you a teeny bit of edge on the court, as in jumping a little higher, and running a little faster. These sneakers however, will not improve your jumpshot, ballhandling, rebounding, passing or defense.

    There are other players out there despite what these sneakers acutally do, will claim they are an unfair advantage. They will claim that these shoes can help you make half-court shots, or help you get 10 steals a game because you can now move "so much faster".

    ^^ is simply not true, as the sneakers only benefit slightly, if at all. People need excuses to fall back on when they get beat. Scripts provide a nice scape goat for the consistently owned. Whats most amusing that those who get beat like that and make excuses will usually get owned on a BS 1 server because of their own maladaptive tendencies. But that is post, for another time.

    The only difference between the sneakers and the scripts is that sneakers cost money, scripts cost nothing.

    Oh and Gham, you did hijack the thread, did you not read what Digz posted? Thanks! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    I like that analogy more.
  • Router_BoxRouter_Box Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31483Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I think that what everybody is trying to say is that scripts are like forced metaphors. You don't really need to use them to make a point, and some would like it if you didn't. However, given the choice, it really doesn't matter and if you want to, you should be able to.
  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    My K/D ratio improved a lot when I started using scripts. They do provide an advantage and all the pointless comparisons in the world won't change that.
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    edited May 2005
    <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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