<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Apr 27 2005, 02:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Apr 27 2005, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When is the last time u met ANYONE who diddnt do drugs simply because they are illegal... never<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You have just met me. Cody Miller, pleasure to meet you, sir.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You don't do drugs because jesus told you not to... or something like that.
I've read about immunizations against drugs that are currently not popular with the government. The one that scared me the most was an article about how these people plan to make every baby immune to LSD. LSD... the same drug that fueled the imagination of the greatest poets and artists in human history. its times like these that assure me we will destroy ourselves long before any alien threat comes to our doorstep.
Surrender your emotions! Give up pleasure! Your brain is the property of the United States Government and you will NOT feel good if they have a say about it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->LSD... the same drug that fueled the imagination of the greatest poets and artists in human history.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Classic.
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 27 2005, 03:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 27 2005, 03:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->LSD... the same drug that fueled the imagination of the greatest poets and artists in human history.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Classic.
I should sig this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sigged for truth hopefully...
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 27 2005, 03:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 27 2005, 03:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->LSD... the same drug that fueled the imagination of the greatest poets and artists in human history.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Classic.
I should sig this.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't know if that is a sarcastic comment or not, but he is right to an extent. The Beatles, for instance, wrote some of their best songs while under the influence of drugs.
Back on topic, I am really against anti-drug immunizations. Laws are just the morals of a specific person forced onto the majority. In the main, there is no problem with this as I think <i>everyone</i> can agree that murder, theft, rape, etc are all wrong. I can appreciate that there is a grey zone where half the country wants one thing, and half the country wants the other. However, in this case, proper use of drugs does not affect anyone else but yourself and anyone else doing the drug with you. Those who want to experiment with their body should be allowed to do as they please. Those who choose not to, for whatever reason, can live their life without doing drugs. Sorry for being a bit rambley there, but I have already made all my main points.
Breakthrough: You really do not want to start smoking at any age. As sky said, it plays hell with your body in later life (Fair enough, all those adverts are going over the top. Chances are you won't get lung cancer at 25 and breath through a straw for the rest of your life). You can get a nice rush from exercise, sports and other things that are not so chemically addictive and bad for you. You will also end up saving quite a lot of money, as an added bonus.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Apr 27 2005, 02:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Apr 27 2005, 02:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh come on. You don't do drugs because they're bad for you, not because the government tells you to not do them. I speed when I drive in places I know, but I actually follow the speed limit if I don't know where I am or if the weather conditions are poor, because I *gasp* would like to live past age 21. I don't care about the government's rules when I know I'm safe, but if something has a chance of being harmful, that's another story. I'm rather inclined to think most people don't really care what the government thinks; the primary motivation to stay in line is self-preservation. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Remind your people to obey the government and its officers, and always to be obedient and ready for any honest work."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, I am required BY GOD to obey the government.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Under that logic, you would have thought the Revolutionary War a sin. It's a bit of a stretch to apply that particular passage to modern-day political and social thought.
Aye, it feels to me like you are using that more as an excuse than as an actual reason for being against the use of drugs. If the government was suddenly taken over by fascists, would you obey them as well? I have not studied the Bible in enough detail, so I may be missing something important from that quote. If so, I apologize for pursuing it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Apr 27 2005, 02:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Apr 27 2005, 02:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cigs - Kills endurance. I'm a hockey player, I don't need that. Furthermore, I'm horribly allergic to the smoke. And call me crazy, but those Truth commercials scared the crap outta me. Alcohol - I didn't get a 1600 SAT score by systematically killing my braincells. Besides, the hockey pounds my head enough; I don't need more headaches. Pot/Acid/hallucinogens in general - I'm loopy enough in real life without these drugs. Plus, I have a horrible memory as is; no need to make that any worse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't drink/smoke my problems off, it's dreadfully addictive though... But it's very fun, especially with friends. There was something that really stuck out at me though, which was when I was at my friends house and one said, "You're a real stoner when you do drugs by yourself..." Keep that in mind, and this:
I made those NSTWG signatures when I was high...
Jut kidding <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit: And it's not because I suffer from depression that I take drugs... or is it...
<!--QuoteBegin-TheMuffinMan+Apr 27 2005, 03:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheMuffinMan @ Apr 27 2005, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 27 2005, 03:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 27 2005, 03:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->LSD... the same drug that fueled the imagination of the greatest poets and artists in human history.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Classic.
I should sig this.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't know if that is a sarcastic comment or not, but he is right to an extent. The Beatles, for instance, wrote some of their best songs while under the influence of drugs.
...I think <i>everyone</i> can agree that murder, theft, rape, etc are all wrong. ...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Now You Will Recieve Us- We do not ask for your poor or your hungry- We do not want your tired and sick- It is your corrupt we claim- It is your evil that will be struck by us- With every breath, we shall hunt them down- We will spill thier blood, until it rains down from the sky!- Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, these are principles that every man from every faith can embrace- These are not polite suggestions, they are clause's of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest price!- There are varying degrees of evil we urge you that practice forms of filth not to crossover, into our domain- For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see we three, and on that day, YOU WILL REAP IT!- And we will send you to whatever god, you wish-
"And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, Power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine patris, et filii, et spiritus sancti."
OH YEAH BABY!!!
The above was random....
Now back on topic....
God told you to obey the government.... so.... you would have gladly gone to a concentration camp had you lived in germany....(yeah we are talking christian religion verses jewish... but lets say you were mistaken for a jew....)<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Thats what i hate about religion in General....you are a mindless drone... all of the human inquisitiveness is nullified by one word... Faith.... the ultimate scam in life..
Faith has fooled billions of people for thousands of years, its the ultimate illusion most likely created by the most brilliant man ever... id love to meet the man who can get an entire world to bow to him by defining a single word and spreading it as truth.... Honestly....
Now really back on topic...
You dont do drugs because you believe they are wrong... if you are truly religious... you would be against altering yourself in the way that drugs do, that has nothing to do with your government... drugs are most likely considered some form of Sin... and if you follow that one line in the bible, im sure you follow the other's too...
If the government told you tomorrow that mass murdering was legal... would you go out and murder everyone simply because it was no longer illegal...
Stop following the book so closely, and use your head....you have moral's that extend BEYOND what that one book taught you.. evne if they coincide with that book, they are YOUR moral's.... therefore you do not do drugs because you CHOOSE NOT TO... if they were to become legal tomorrow.. you would STILL not do them...
The only people who would are those who were already under temptation and questioning thier ideals to begin wtih... and those people would most likely have buclked and travelled to the "dark side" anyways eventually....
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Apr 28 2005, 11:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Apr 28 2005, 11:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Faith and hope are close brothers. If faith is the greatest illusion ever, hope is rather meaningless as well. Both serve purposes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Even if faith and hope are irrational and unjustified, they still bring comfort to people, so I don't think they're meaningless.
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 28 2005, 01:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 28 2005, 01:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Apr 28 2005, 11:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Apr 28 2005, 11:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Faith and hope are close brothers. If faith is the greatest illusion ever, hope is rather meaningless as well. Both serve purposes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Even if faith and hope are irrational and unjustified, they still bring comfort to people, so I don't think they're meaningless. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The Poseidon Adventure... One of the best movies ever id say..... Gene hackman's beliefs and speeches.... SO TRUE.....
Also: some food for thought
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."-Stephen Roberts
Debate that...
How is faith like Hope... Hope involves you doing someting... whilst Faith is more like... some imaginary creature will help me cuz im special... Ok barney boy...
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 28 2005, 01:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 28 2005, 01:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Apr 28 2005, 11:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Apr 28 2005, 11:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Faith and hope are close brothers. If faith is the greatest illusion ever, hope is rather meaningless as well. Both serve purposes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Even if faith and hope are irrational and unjustified, they still bring comfort to people, so I don't think they're meaningless. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I was commenting on SDJason's statment that faith is just a way of fooling yourself. Hope is also a way to fool oneself, however I think both are rather meaningful, hence the "both serve purposes" remark.
One only needs hope when their situation seems to have no logical or probable way of turning out alright. Hoping is not something you do when you see a way out of your situation, it's what you do when you have no way of helping yourself, and you need <i>something</i> to come along and change things for the better. To 'hope' and to 'pray' are really very similar, except prayer (faith) has at least some kind of force behind it - a deity. When atheists hope something happens they're just relying on random chance, while Christians at least would like to think their lives are not governed by such things as chance.
Sky was right when he said drugs can't be stopped. I go to a high school similar to his, only with 3,200 kids. There are drugs everywhere. At least 45% of the school smokes weed or more.
Personally, I've not tried anything yet, not even alchohol. Almost all of my friends here smoke regularly, and use mushrooms and acid. I know a few kids who've taken heroin. The extreme stoners really are in trouble. They have low grades, and they don't seem to care at all. Now, I'm not one to judge by someone's GPA, but they are going to have a very hard time getting a well-paying job, and in the most extreme cases holding ANY job. So, these substances are a double-edged sword.
Still, I think everyone would benefit from the legalization of marijuana, shrooms, and acid. No one is stopping any time soon, taxes could be collected, quality standards set, and recreational drugs made a bit safer.
<!--QuoteBegin-SDJason+Apr 27 2005, 01:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SDJason @ Apr 27 2005, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Seph Kimara+Apr 27 2005, 01:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Seph Kimara @ Apr 27 2005, 01:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nineteen+Apr 23 2005, 02:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nineteen @ Apr 23 2005, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Acid is a different story than heroin, coke, crack, PCP, Meth.... it is not easy to od on acid (ie: you would have to eat a few sheets and even then you wouldn't die just have a horrible trip for a few days) and it is in general a much safer and cleaner drug than the other drugs mentioned and the best spot for a comfortable trip would be home with some friends. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You do know people who use acid quite often have flashbacks/relaspes years down the line even if they haven't taken it since, right? It really isn't all that innocent a drug as you make it out to be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Acid Scares the Everloving **** out of me.........
It never leaves ur system.... EVER
U can have relapse trip's like 10 years down the road...... just cause....
Also someone told me that if uve done acid 10 times... ur legally insane.... i dunno if thats true... but it scares me!!
~Jason <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yes and no, from what iv'e read a bad acid trip can stay with you forever but not the chemical itself. A really bad trip can result in post traumatic stress disorder which can manifest itself through "flashbacks" throughout your life.
Oh... i wasnt sure as i stated but that makes sense...
MY point still stands..... No one abstains from drugs because they are illegal.... you either dont do them, or you do... Legality simply causes me to smoke pot in my basement, or in abandoned parking lot's, verses cigarette smokers who walk down the street poisioning thier lungs....
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If you go into the whole argument about Marijuana vs. Cigarettes, marijuana will always win. Why? Because it's not as bad as alcohol.
I'm happy with the "recreational" drugs, as TommyVercetti said, being legalized. If there are harder drugs legalized, I don't think there's a plausable way to monitor and regulate the amounts...
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You have just met me. Cody Miller, pleasure to meet you, sir.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You don't do drugs because jesus told you not to... or something like that.
I've read about immunizations against drugs that are currently not popular with the government. The one that scared me the most was an article about how these people plan to make every baby immune to LSD. LSD... the same drug that fueled the imagination of the greatest poets and artists in human history. its times like these that assure me we will destroy ourselves long before any alien threat comes to our doorstep.
Surrender your emotions! Give up pleasure! Your brain is the property of the United States Government and you will NOT feel good if they have a say about it.
<!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Classic.
I should sig this.
Classic.
I should sig this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sigged for truth hopefully...
Sarcasm doesn't carry well through Text o_O
<!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Classic.
I should sig this.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't know if that is a sarcastic comment or not, but he is right to an extent. The Beatles, for instance, wrote some of their best songs while under the influence of drugs.
Back on topic, I am really against anti-drug immunizations. Laws are just the morals of a specific person forced onto the majority. In the main, there is no problem with this as I think <i>everyone</i> can agree that murder, theft, rape, etc are all wrong. I can appreciate that there is a grey zone where half the country wants one thing, and half the country wants the other. However, in this case, proper use of drugs does not affect anyone else but yourself and anyone else doing the drug with you. Those who want to experiment with their body should be allowed to do as they please. Those who choose not to, for whatever reason, can live their life without doing drugs. Sorry for being a bit rambley there, but I have already made all my main points.
Breakthrough: You really do not want to start smoking at any age. As sky said, it plays hell with your body in later life (Fair enough, all those adverts are going over the top. Chances are you won't get lung cancer at 25 and breath through a straw for the rest of your life). You can get a nice rush from exercise, sports and other things that are not so chemically addictive and bad for you. You will also end up saving quite a lot of money, as an added bonus.
It is a combination, really.
BUT:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Titus 3:1
"Remind your people to obey the government and its officers, and always to be obedient and ready for any honest work."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, I am required BY GOD to obey the government.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Under that logic, you would have thought the Revolutionary War a sin. It's a bit of a stretch to apply that particular passage to modern-day political and social thought.
Alcohol - I didn't get a 1600 SAT score by systematically killing my braincells. Besides, the hockey pounds my head enough; I don't need more headaches.
Pot/Acid/hallucinogens in general - I'm loopy enough in real life without these drugs. Plus, I have a horrible memory as is; no need to make that any worse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't drink/smoke my problems off, it's dreadfully addictive though... But it's very fun, especially with friends. There was something that really stuck out at me though, which was when I was at my friends house and one said, "You're a real stoner when you do drugs by yourself..." Keep that in mind, and this:
I made those NSTWG signatures when I was high...
Jut kidding <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit: And it's not because I suffer from depression that I take drugs... or is it...
Classic.
I should sig this.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't know if that is a sarcastic comment or not, but he is right to an extent. The Beatles, for instance, wrote some of their best songs while under the influence of drugs.
...I think <i>everyone</i> can agree that murder, theft, rape, etc are all wrong. ...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now You Will Recieve Us-
We do not ask for your poor or your hungry-
We do not want your tired and sick-
It is your corrupt we claim-
It is your evil that will be struck by us-
With every breath, we shall hunt them down-
We will spill thier blood, until it rains down from the sky!-
Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, these are principles that every man from every faith can embrace-
These are not polite suggestions, they are clause's of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest price!-
There are varying degrees of evil we urge you that practice forms of filth not to crossover, into our domain-
For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see we three, and on that day, YOU WILL REAP IT!-
And we will send you to whatever god, you wish-
"And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, Power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine patris, et filii, et spiritus sancti."
OH YEAH BABY!!!
The above was random....
Now back on topic....
God told you to obey the government.... so.... you would have gladly gone to a concentration camp had you lived in germany....(yeah we are talking christian religion verses jewish... but lets say you were mistaken for a jew....)<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Thats what i hate about religion in General....you are a mindless drone... all of the human inquisitiveness is nullified by one word... Faith.... the ultimate scam in life..
Faith has fooled billions of people for thousands of years, its the ultimate illusion most likely created by the most brilliant man ever... id love to meet the man who can get an entire world to bow to him by defining a single word and spreading it as truth.... Honestly....
Now really back on topic...
You dont do drugs because you believe they are wrong... if you are truly religious... you would be against altering yourself in the way that drugs do, that has nothing to do with your government... drugs are most likely considered some form of Sin... and if you follow that one line in the bible, im sure you follow the other's too...
If the government told you tomorrow that mass murdering was legal... would you go out and murder everyone simply because it was no longer illegal...
Stop following the book so closely, and use your head....you have moral's that extend BEYOND what that one book taught you.. evne if they coincide with that book, they are YOUR moral's.... therefore you do not do drugs because you CHOOSE NOT TO... if they were to become legal tomorrow.. you would STILL not do them...
The only people who would are those who were already under temptation and questioning thier ideals to begin wtih... and those people would most likely have buclked and travelled to the "dark side" anyways eventually....
~Jason
Even if faith and hope are irrational and unjustified, they still bring comfort to people, so I don't think they're meaningless.
Even if faith and hope are irrational and unjustified, they still bring comfort to people, so I don't think they're meaningless. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The Poseidon Adventure... One of the best movies ever id say..... Gene hackman's beliefs and speeches.... SO TRUE.....
Also: some food for thought
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."-Stephen Roberts
Debate that...
How is faith like Hope... Hope involves you doing someting... whilst Faith is more like... some imaginary creature will help me cuz im special...
Ok barney boy...
~Jason
Even if faith and hope are irrational and unjustified, they still bring comfort to people, so I don't think they're meaningless. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was commenting on SDJason's statment that faith is just a way of fooling yourself. Hope is also a way to fool oneself, however I think both are rather meaningful, hence the "both serve purposes" remark.
One only needs hope when their situation seems to have no logical or probable way of turning out alright. Hoping is not something you do when you see a way out of your situation, it's what you do when you have no way of helping yourself, and you need <i>something</i> to come along and change things for the better. To 'hope' and to 'pray' are really very similar, except prayer (faith) has at least some kind of force behind it - a deity. When atheists hope something happens they're just relying on random chance, while Christians at least would like to think their lives are not governed by such things as chance.
Personally, I've not tried anything yet, not even alchohol. Almost all of my friends here smoke regularly, and use mushrooms and acid. I know a few kids who've taken heroin. The extreme stoners really are in trouble. They have low grades, and they don't seem to care at all. Now, I'm not one to judge by someone's GPA, but they are going to have a very hard time getting a well-paying job, and in the most extreme cases holding ANY job. So, these substances are a double-edged sword.
Still, I think everyone would benefit from the legalization of marijuana, shrooms, and acid. No one is stopping any time soon, taxes could be collected, quality standards set, and recreational drugs made a bit safer.
You do know people who use acid quite often have flashbacks/relaspes years down the line even if they haven't taken it since, right? It really isn't all that innocent a drug as you make it out to be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Acid Scares the Everloving **** out of me.........
It never leaves ur system.... EVER
U can have relapse trip's like 10 years down the road...... just cause....
Also someone told me that if uve done acid 10 times... ur legally insane.... i dunno if thats true... but it scares me!!
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yes and no, from what iv'e read a bad acid trip can stay with you forever but not the chemical itself. A really bad trip can result in post traumatic stress disorder which can manifest itself through "flashbacks" throughout your life.
MY point still stands..... No one abstains from drugs because they are illegal.... you either dont do them, or you do... Legality simply causes me to smoke pot in my basement, or in abandoned parking lot's, verses cigarette smokers who walk down the street poisioning thier lungs....
Seriously....
~Jason
I'm happy with the "recreational" drugs, as TommyVercetti said, being legalized. If there are harder drugs legalized, I don't think there's a plausable way to monitor and regulate the amounts...