The Other Natural Selection Computer Game

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<div class="IPBDescription">Courtesy of the St. Louis Science Center</div> On a recent visit to the <a href='http://www.slsc.org/' target='_blank'>St. Louis Science Center</a>, I came across a kiosk featuring "The Natural Selection Computer Game." I thought others might enjoy the contrast between the Natural Selection we've come to know and love and the "other" Natural Selection. Enjoy!

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  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    wow better cancel NS:S and NS2, we're violationg their intellectual property. :-P

    EDIT: Can you believe some people think that natural selection\ or evolution are incorrect because god created the earth 6,000 years ago? Wow creationalism, dunno where to start with that one :-P.
  • Fatal_ErrorFatal_Error Join Date: 2005-01-15 Member: 35840Members
    Look at all the little lerk-descendents!
  • urinalcakeurinalcake Can&#39;t work a sound card United States Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7799Members
    Ah yes, a fun intellectual game for people of all ages!
    It teaches us how bears become the dominant species in a north american forest..

    but does it teach us how to properly camp sewer hive and raise your score 4 fold?

    I THINK NOT!
  • Jabba_The_HuntJabba_The_Hunt Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11850Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+Apr 22 2005, 10:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ Apr 22 2005, 10:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> wow better cancel NS:S and NS2, we're violationg their intellectual property. :-P

    EDIT: Can you believe some people think that natural selection\ or evolution are incorrect because god created the earth 6,000 years ago? Wow creationalism, dunno where to start with that one :-P. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I believe God created the universe.
  • JuasiJuasi Join Date: 2005-02-26 Member: 42520Members
    What about: I believe there is no God?
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+Apr 22 2005, 04:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ Apr 22 2005, 04:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow creationalism, dunno where to start with that one :-P. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Try starting in the Discussion forum.

    So, how many times have those moths been used to explain evolution?
  • CutterJoeCutterJoe Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11594Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Jabba The Hunt+Apr 22 2005, 06:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jabba The Hunt @ Apr 22 2005, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+Apr 22 2005, 10:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ Apr 22 2005, 10:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> wow better cancel NS:S and NS2, we're violationg their intellectual property.  :-P

    EDIT: Can you believe some people think that natural selection\ or evolution are incorrect because god created the earth 6,000 years ago?  Wow creationalism, dunno where to start with that one :-P. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I believe God created the universe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As do I jabba.
  • Vahn_PaktuVahn_Paktu Join Date: 2002-10-28 Member: 1666Members, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    I have actually played that game years ago. More likely then not, it was there as well.
    Trick is to go for the fast moths so the slow ones breed. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TaaketaTaaketa Join Date: 2004-02-10 Member: 26357Members
    Why people fail to realise was I painted the moths just to confuse everyone.... muuwaaahahahahahahahaha.
  • Cj_the_DjCj_the_Dj Join Date: 2004-03-18 Member: 27398Members
    if evolution is correct, how come humans are the only creatures that have the ability to think, even though our brain is virtually identical (in structure and function) to that of other animals?

    i had some 20 more instances of how evolution is incorrrect on paper, but i threw it away a while ago.
  • Jabba_The_HuntJabba_The_Hunt Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11850Members
    Actually while i believe God created the universe I do not believe that the bible is a guide to science, its a guide to life. There was no need for the bible to be accurate on how long it took the universe to be created.

    I believe science is about our best understanding of how God created the universe and that will always be changing, so I accept our current understanding for what it is.

    I would also like to point out there is a remarkable simularity for the order of creation of the bible and the order of creation from an evolutionary perspective.

    ps. I kept my views brief earlier to see what peoples reactions were like. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    I wasn't disagreeing that a higher power created the universe, just that it wasn't created 6,000 years ago (that's absolutely ridiculous). Considering the earth has been dated to around 6 billion years old i think it was. Also fossils that are millions of years old. Lots more evidence than that too.
  • urinalcakeurinalcake Can&#39;t work a sound card United States Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7799Members
    Holy crap. Lets not turn this into a creationalism thread or whatever. We'll see bickering and postcount++; for ages.
  • RushakraRushakra Join Date: 2004-03-25 Member: 27523Members
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I live in St. Louis, hooray!
    That was such an awesome game. You'd try to catch all of the moths as they fluttered around. Some were really fast and camoflauged, so they were hard to get. As you, the predator, took out the crappy moths, those with good survival traits would live and produce the next generation, until they were all a bunch of crazy super-fast nigh-invisible moths of DOOM.
  • Jmmsbnd007Jmmsbnd007 Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9793Banned, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cj the Dj+Apr 22 2005, 06:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cj the Dj @ Apr 22 2005, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if evolution is correct, how come humans are the only creatures that have the ability to think, even though our brain is virtually identical (in structure and function) to that of other animals?

    i had some 20 more instances of how evolution is incorrrect on paper, but i threw it away a while ago. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    People like you make people like me go crazy.
  • typical_skeletontypical_skeleton Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13944Members
    edited April 2005
    I gotta do this before a lock.

    Adaption (micro-evolution) is a known fact, but evolution as the origin of species (macro-evolution) is so shakey its barely got a leg to stand on.

    Anyone who believes animals spawned from a "primordial soup" and became intelligent, free-thinking creatures is essentially utilizing the same amount of faith as your average creationist.

    Yet they claim this fact-lacking and decidedly flawed theory as a scientific fact. Fairly arrogant for science, which is meant to be about observation, not all-but pure speculation.

    EDIT: One more thing, there is no shame in removing creationism from the picture and simply disagreeing with evolution. Just because it's accepted, it doesn't mean it's proven or true.

    It doesn't have to be faith vs. evolution, it can simply be not-evolution. Decide for yourself. =P
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    Oh God people, go <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89840&hl=' target='_blank'>here</a> if you really want to have all your questions about macro and micro-evolution answered.

    People complain about the discussion forum, but this is exactly why we have one; so debates like this don't end up in otherwise harmless threads. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-typical skeleton+Apr 22 2005, 11:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (typical skeleton @ Apr 22 2005, 11:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I gotta do this before a lock.

    Adaption (micro-evolution) is a known fact, but evolution as the origin of species (macro-evolution) is so shakey its barely got a leg to stand on.

    Anyone who believes animals spawned from a "primordial soup" and became intelligent, free-thinking creatures is essentially utilizing the same amount of faith as your average creationist.

    Yet they claim this fact-lacking and decidedly flawed theory as a scientific fact.  Fairly arrogant for science, which is meant to be about observation, not all-but pure speculation.

    EDIT: One more thing, there is no shame in removing creationism from the picture and simply disagreeing with evolution.  Just because it's accepted, it doesn't mean it's proven or true. 

    It doesn't have to be faith vs. evolution, it can simply be not-evolution.  Decide for yourself. =P <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    EDIT: Nevermind, i should read before i post :-P
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+Apr 22 2005, 05:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ Apr 22 2005, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wasn't disagreeing that a higher power created the universe, just that it wasn't created 6,000 years ago (that's absolutely ridiculous). Considering the earth has been dated to around 6 billion years old i think it was. Also fossils that are millions of years old. Lots more evidence than that too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not to derail this even more, but are you so limited in thinking as to think that if someone could make things appear out of thin air, they couldn't make it look old?
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+Apr 22 2005, 04:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ Apr 22 2005, 04:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> EDIT: Can you believe some people think that natural selection\ or evolution are incorrect because god created the earth 6,000 years ago? Wow creationalism, dunno where to start with that one :-P. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    WTH is with this derail? You aren't even close to the reasoning behind the issue and that has nothing to do with the thread at hand. Theres alot of science behind the creationist side as well, and if you really need to be bombarded with it go start a thread in the OT disscussion forums about it. The argument is going to be a long winded one to say the least.
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    edited April 2005
    the place for religion is in your own heads my dear fellow forumites.

    if youre really that eager to open up your mind and enlighten us with your thoughts on the universe, there is a perfectly good discussions forum available.

    why anyone would even try to argue against such unshakeable opinions beats me.

    edit: oh. first someone tells me that evolution doesnt have facts backing it up. next, someone says that the creationist theory is just as provable as the evolution theory. finally, i am told that the creationist theory actually does have facts backing it up.

    ps: swiftspear, join a bloody clan already.
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    religion sucks :-P
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+Apr 23 2005, 01:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ Apr 23 2005, 01:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> religion sucks in my opinion :-P <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    fixed. i might sound hypocritical but spewing stuff like that is like throwing oil into a fire. just drop it already. no one cares, if someone answers you its because they <i>love</i> arguing about that stuff and posting all kinds of essays, which in turn leads to even more essays and a lot of bitching.

    repeat: no one cares. its a personal. ****ing. matter.
  • CyberPitzCyberPitz Join Date: 2004-09-04 Member: 31301Members, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Apr 23 2005, 01:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Apr 23 2005, 01:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+Apr 23 2005, 01:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ Apr 23 2005, 01:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> religion sucks in my opinion :-P <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    fixed. i might sound hypocritical but spewing stuff like that is like throwing oil into a fire. just drop it already. no one cares, if someone answers you its because they <i>love</i> arguing about that stuff and posting all kinds of essays, which in turn leads to even more essays and a lot of bitching.

    repeat: no one cares. its a personal. ****ing. matter. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Agreed, why can't everyone keep their religions to themselves? Quit knocking on others doors, quit going to the store and asking "Do you go to church?" or my favorite, walk to a stranger, "Do you worship Satan?!"

    BOT I want that game, looks better then the Source engine <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RushakraRushakra Join Date: 2004-03-25 Member: 27523Members
    You know, a long while back a scientist shot lightning into a sterile glass jar containing a mixture of gasses believed to be similar to the Earth's atmosphere when organisms first appeared. Where there were no bacteria, some spontaneously developed. OoooOoOoo, energy causing the building blocks of life to assemble in a meaningful way, scary stuff! We do nothing different when we create computers.
  • jago6jago6 Join Date: 2004-11-18 Member: 32868Members, Constellation
    More on topic with the original post. If you liked that you should go to the Mid-American Museum in Hot Springs, AR. It is really interesting and has cool stuff to play with. It's not like where you go and look but can't touch, it's exactly the opposite.

    ie. There is a giant sandbox with air pumps and water pumps. So you can raise hills, and make rivers and stuff in it. They have a bunch of those plasma balls. Have 3 spotlights that are colored red, green, and blue. So you can play mixing the different colors on the wall. I went when I was around 10 or 11 and it made a hella impression on me, thought it was the coolest thing ever. I highly recommend going if you ever end up in that area.
  • BlueNovemberBlueNovember hax Join Date: 2003-02-28 Member: 14137Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rushakra+Apr 23 2005, 07:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rushakra @ Apr 23 2005, 07:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You know, a long while back a scientist shot lightning into a sterile glass jar containing a mixture of gasses believed to be similar to the Earth's atmosphere when organisms first appeared. Where there were no bacteria, some spontaneously developed. OoooOoOoo, energy causing the building blocks of life to assemble in a meaningful way, scary stuff! We do nothing different when we create computers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Methane and lightning?
    That's some serious case mod you've got going there. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DarkFrostDarkFrost Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15154Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    What I don't understand, is why different religeons disbelieve eachother, when surely believing in one entity makes the others real...

    Also, why do people still follow these beliefs, even in the knowledge that they caused almost every war before the 1800s.

    There was only one creator of our species, the Earth... and I haven't much love for her either.
  • Jabba_The_HuntJabba_The_Hunt Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11850Members
    DarkFrost, just because humans use religion as an excuse for war doesn't mean the religion is wrong, it just means humans are wrong.

    I believe that the big bang theory is correct, and that life evolved on this planet over millions of years. I also believe God created the universe, I mean how amazing is it that God can create just a large explosion and know that all of this would come of it, thats even more wonderful to me than it just suddenly appearing.

    Ok heres a quite summary of the order of creation from the bible. (summarised by "day" of creation (I believe day here is used in a general sense to mean a time of work)

    1. God creates the universe, the earth.
    2. God creates the sky (atmosphere).
    3. God creates land and vegatation.
    4. God creates the moon, sun, and stars.
    5. God creates sea creatures and then birds.
    6. God creates animals and then man.

    Ok im not going to say that the order presented by the bible is exactly identical to the one presented by evolution but they are pretty close. Picking out a few intersting bits...

    Theres a fairly recent theory which basically says that the moon was created by a collision of another infant planet with the earth, so here we have the creation of the earth and then the creation of the moon. Man was the last to be created in the list which again evolution supports.

    At the end of the day I dont believe that the bible was writern as a science book on how the universe as created, it was writen has a guide how to best live you life.
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ok im not going to say that the order presented by the bible is exactly identical to the one presented by evolution but they are pretty close. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    not really :p

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->At the end of the day I dont believe that the bible was writern as a science book on how the universe as created<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    then why do people continue to use it as one? because its true? that could prove to be difficult to.. prove.
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