<!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Apr 14 2005, 06:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Apr 14 2005, 06:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Apr 14 2005, 04:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Apr 14 2005, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-twoflow+Apr 14 2005, 03:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (twoflow @ Apr 14 2005, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Apr 14 2005, 03:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Apr 14 2005, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Give up on the career you want to do, throw your lifetime of aspirations and goals out the window. Become a plumber. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Incidentally, did you get that programming job? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, but i'm still working towards doing something i want to do, rather than giving up and working as a plumber. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There's this thing called Reality. It seems far off then it closes in at 187,000 miles a second and hits you like a mack truck carrying 12 tons of bricks. I wanted to fly helicopters in the Marines. I know I can't and I am well aware of my odds even if I could. But I don't go living a delusional pipe dream because it just sets you up for a world of hurt. And plumbers make alot of money as do most tradesman. But to have the balls to imply that they failed at everything else and resorted to that is arrogant and ignorant
And besides who has the full time reliable job that won't be thrown to some guy in india who does it for 20x less and works 4x harder? Really who is the failure in this lovely scenario
(I'm not flaming really) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You see, i didn't spend years learning my skills in the field i want to work in, i didn't go through 2 years of college and a year of university because i wanted to give up and get a completely unrelated job.
This isn't a delusional pipe dream, this is something very firmly based in reality that i've spent years working on. Hell, this is just the start of it.
And insulting them saying they failed at everything? No. That's not even in the slightest what i was saying. They're good at what they do, that's great for them, that's not something i want to do, however. What i was doing, however, was more pointing out Thaldrin's pessimistic attitude towards to the job market. He's saying basically to give up on whatever it is you've worked towards or wanted to do and settle for just what pays.
My attitude is more optimistic. Settle for a job which gives financial security while working on and keeping your dream job hopes alive. That's what I intend on doing and it could help others out too. [EDIT]It is possible to do this and switch to your dream job later on in life, you seem to look at this a bit narrowly Esuna.
Just out of curiousity Esuna what are you currently doing? At university? Part-time job to fund that or what not? It's interesting to see seen as you feel quite strongly about the issue raised.
<!--QuoteBegin-Thaldarin+Apr 14 2005, 08:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thaldarin @ Apr 14 2005, 08:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Apr 14 2005, 05:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Apr 14 2005, 05:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-twoflow+Apr 14 2005, 03:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (twoflow @ Apr 14 2005, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Apr 14 2005, 03:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Apr 14 2005, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Give up on the career you want to do, throw your lifetime of aspirations and goals out the window. Become a plumber. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Incidentally, did you get that programming job? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, but i'm still working towards doing something i want to do, rather than giving up and working as a plumber. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I partly agree with Olmy.
I wouldn't say it's stuck up as such but more of the culture in which Esuna, like most of us are brought up in. It's the go to school, get the grades, go to university and then follow up with going out in the big wide world and "making something of yourself" attitude which is portrayed by most parents and schools.
Aspirations and dreams aren't shattered nor given up on because you decide to take the back seat on them and go in to a trade for financial security, in actual fact it makes more sense to take up a trade and follow up your dream in your spare time. It's also good for mental stability as having the financial stability, and the dream still alive to motiviate yourself through the 'back seat trade' job. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I know the feeling, as I was a reasonably bright kid it was expected, and basically demanded of me that I do well in my GCSE's, then goto college to do A levels and go on to Uni get a degree in something or other and "do great things" ignoring the fact that I <i>didn't want to</i>. Looking at universities these days doing an undergraduate degree sticks you with £13k+ debt payable to the government for the rest of eternity, and if you want to do a masters degree another £7k+ normal debt as you can't get a government "student loan" for that. So thats anything over £20,000 worth of debt before you even start working/getting a mortgage/car payments/kids. Congratulations UK government, create a society that tells us we have to go to uni or we're failures at life then charge us insane amounts of money for the privilidge.
I didn't go to uni by the way, I got a job that nets me about £15k a year which I clearly understand isn't as much as I could be earning in a degree related job but its a damn site more than I need to live off and is more than my parents ever earnt and they raised a family of four kids...
on a fun note hodge the 'loan' is actually written off after 25 years regardless of how little you've payed and they only skim a little off your wages as long as you breach a certain wage bracket. Essentially you could get a job after uni and live a happy life without ever having to pay a penny off on your loan as long as your wages didn't exceed 15k (which funnily enough is exactly what you're earning ^~ ). Even if you did earn a lot the debt would be erased once the 25th year of you leaving uni came around.
Not paying your debt off does have an impact on the British economy, as I'm betting everyone will try and get away with what Geminosity has explained.
If I was to go for my dream job on the more trained and professional route of university I would earn money and go back as a mature student. Meaning I may have a small debt, or the plan of no debt at all.
You can also leave the country for 6 years, declare voluntary bankruptcy for two years or get a public service career (Policeman, Fireman etc) but it seems like a lot of hassle for something which shouldn't be trailing for us a good proportion of our life....
It's basically a slightly altered version of the old student grants... except there's a chance to claim some back if the person going through uni is actually successful :3
It might take money away from the british economy but in essense it takes LESS away than the older schemes used to ^^
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Incidentally, did you get that programming job? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, but i'm still working towards doing something i want to do, rather than giving up and working as a plumber. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's this thing called Reality. It seems far off then it closes in at 187,000 miles a second and hits you like a mack truck carrying 12 tons of bricks. I wanted to fly helicopters in the Marines. I know I can't and I am well aware of my odds even if I could. But I don't go living a delusional pipe dream because it just sets you up for a world of hurt.
And plumbers make alot of money as do most tradesman. But to have the balls to imply that they failed at everything else and resorted to that is arrogant and ignorant
And besides who has the full time reliable job that won't be thrown to some guy in india who does it for 20x less and works 4x harder?
Really who is the failure in this lovely scenario
(I'm not flaming really) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You see, i didn't spend years learning my skills in the field i want to work in, i didn't go through 2 years of college and a year of university because i wanted to give up and get a completely unrelated job.
This isn't a delusional pipe dream, this is something very firmly based in reality that i've spent years working on. Hell, this is just the start of it.
And insulting them saying they failed at everything? No. That's not even in the slightest what i was saying. They're good at what they do, that's great for them, that's not something i want to do, however. What i was doing, however, was more pointing out Thaldrin's pessimistic attitude towards to the job market. He's saying basically to give up on whatever it is you've worked towards or wanted to do and settle for just what pays.
[EDIT]It is possible to do this and switch to your dream job later on in life, you seem to look at this a bit narrowly Esuna.
Just out of curiousity Esuna what are you currently doing? At university? Part-time job to fund that or what not? It's interesting to see seen as you feel quite strongly about the issue raised.
Incidentally, did you get that programming job? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, but i'm still working towards doing something i want to do, rather than giving up and working as a plumber. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I partly agree with Olmy.
I wouldn't say it's stuck up as such but more of the culture in which Esuna, like most of us are brought up in. It's the go to school, get the grades, go to university and then follow up with going out in the big wide world and "making something of yourself" attitude which is portrayed by most parents and schools.
Aspirations and dreams aren't shattered nor given up on because you decide to take the back seat on them and go in to a trade for financial security, in actual fact it makes more sense to take up a trade and follow up your dream in your spare time. It's also good for mental stability as having the financial stability, and the dream still alive to motiviate yourself through the 'back seat trade' job. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know the feeling, as I was a reasonably bright kid it was expected, and basically demanded of me that I do well in my GCSE's, then goto college to do A levels and go on to Uni get a degree in something or other and "do great things" ignoring the fact that I <i>didn't want to</i>. Looking at universities these days doing an undergraduate degree sticks you with £13k+ debt payable to the government for the rest of eternity, and if you want to do a masters degree another £7k+ normal debt as you can't get a government "student loan" for that. So thats anything over £20,000 worth of debt before you even start working/getting a mortgage/car payments/kids. Congratulations UK government, create a society that tells us we have to go to uni or we're failures at life then charge us insane amounts of money for the privilidge.
I didn't go to uni by the way, I got a job that nets me about £15k a year which I clearly understand isn't as much as I could be earning in a degree related job but its a damn site more than I need to live off and is more than my parents ever earnt and they raised a family of four kids...
Even if you did earn a lot the debt would be erased once the 25th year of you leaving uni came around.
If I was to go for my dream job on the more trained and professional route of university I would earn money and go back as a mature student. Meaning I may have a small debt, or the plan of no debt at all.
You can also leave the country for 6 years, declare voluntary bankruptcy for two years or get a public service career (Policeman, Fireman etc) but it seems like a lot of hassle for something which shouldn't be trailing for us a good proportion of our life....
It might take money away from the british economy but in essense it takes LESS away than the older schemes used to ^^