Ready Room Exploit!

SnappleSSnappleS Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9073Members Posts: 93
this is important
I was playing a few seconds ago when something occurred to me...if any player wanted to, he/she could use the ready room as a way to more quickly return to spawn.

OK, imagine this. Your spawn is being attacked. You're at the opposite end of the map...All you have to do is press F4 and join your team and bam you're at spawn.

There needs to be a system to prevent this. I haven't seen someone use this in play yet, but it IS an exploit.

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  • QUADQUAD Join Date: 2002-07-17 Member: 963Members Posts: 488
    edited November 2002
    Errr...

    The time it takes to get to the readyroom, join the marine team, and finish the obligatory wait in the line to respawn would make running back to base seem the much better and more efficient choice.
  • XaniethXanieth Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7280Members Posts: 603
    Or you know. Take the time to walk back and then shoot the aliens in the rear, or 'kill' yourself.
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  • SnappleSSnappleS Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9073Members Posts: 93
    edited November 2002
    Press F4 and join team in Ready Room = 2 seconds, easily.

    Wait for respawn = 10 to 15 seconds, approximately, at maximum.

    Total = 16 seconds.

    Quicker then walking the entire map back to spawn, which can take 20 seconds.
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  • QUADQUAD Join Date: 2002-07-17 Member: 963Members Posts: 488
    edited November 2002
    Think what you may, personally I find running back to base much more viable of an option, considering I'd get the jump on the damned Kharaa anyway.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned Posts: 6,498
    Right. I will just give up my HMG and HA so I get some worthless skulk harrasing the comm?


    Okay, call it an exploit if you will, but it is one I won't be using.
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  • BedwettingTypeBedwettingType Join Date: 2002-07-26 Member: 1001Members Posts: 315
    2 seconds in the readyroom? You must be pretty fast.

    Most of the readyrooms are big enough that it takes about 6-10 seconds to get to a team door, more if you're playing on Hera. That plus the respawn wait means a 21-25 second delay getting back to base. By my estimation, that's at least 1-5 seconds longer than it takes to walk over there myself.

    I don't think it's an issue.
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  • DrathDrath Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8310Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor Posts: 35
    it would take longer than just typing kill, which would have the same effect
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  • SnappleSSnappleS Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9073Members Posts: 93
    QUOTE (Forlorn @ Nov 18 2002, 06:31 PM)
    Right. I will just give up my HMG and HA so I get some worthless skulk harrasing the comm?


    Okay, call it an exploit if you will, but it is one I won't be using.

    Actually I forgot to put in there "If you're smart, you'll only use the exploit if you have no goodies as a marine or alien to spare. (Such as HMG or HA as marine, or evolution or armor upgrades as alien)

    -On some maps it's easy to reach a team in the Ready Room in 2 seconds, such as ns_nancy. Some it can take up to 6 seconds, yes. But still, it's an exploit for those 2 second maps.
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  • SnappleSSnappleS Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9073Members Posts: 93
    edited November 2002
    QUOTE (Forlorn @ Nov 18 2002, 06:31 PM)
    Right.  I will just give up my HMG and HA so I get some worthless skulk harrasing the comm?


    Okay, call it an exploit if you will, but it is one I won't be using.

    Actually I forgot to put in there "If you're smart, you'll only use the exploit if you have no goodies as a marine or alien to spare. (Such as HMG or HA as marine, or evolution or armor upgrades as alien)"

    -On some maps it's easy to reach a team in the Ready Room in 2 seconds, such as ns_nancy. Some it can take up to 6 seconds, yes. But still, it's an exploit for those 2 second maps.
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  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Posts: 2,291 mod
    As mentioned, "kill" is faster.
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  • SnappleSSnappleS Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9073Members Posts: 93
    edited November 2002
    Kill is faster, but a way to lose frags.

    Or do you even get a frag count as marine? lol. i never really paid attention, since NS isn't so based on frags and getting all the kills...which is awesome.
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  • saint0zsaint0z Join Date: 2002-10-16 Member: 1505Members, Constellation Posts: 601
    edited November 2002
    or... say you are commander and your entire team is away taking a hive, then all of the sudden your base gets overun, the commander yells "TOWN PORTAL" and the entire team types kill in console, thus leaving the commander to use the Distress Beacon Ability at the Observatory and spawn the entire team at base immeadiately...

    not my strat, discussed in irc about the incredible ECvsTAU match...
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  • ParasiteParasite Join Date: 2002-04-13 Member: 431Members Posts: 796
    Well, marines dont have frags to lose. also, choosing a team in the ready room doesnt spit you out into your spawn instantly....its only slightly quicker than "kill" but combined with the time it takes to go thru the ready room and pick a team its pretty slow.

    I think beyond the first 30 seconds of game start there should be a 5-10 second delay from the ready room anyway. If a person dies legit and has to respawn normally they have a delay.
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  • ZeroByteZeroByte Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3057Members Posts: 1,404
    Or better yet, the smart commander would build phase gates in important outposts, that way, when the base is under attack, just jump into the portals and you're HA'd+HMG'd arse is in the base ready to kick kharaa patootie.
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  • DarkWulfDarkWulf Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4662Members Posts: 71
    is the ECvTAU match downloadable? (IE: demos, etc)

    haven't found it anywhere...

    sorry if im being stupid.
  • EKSEKS Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2790Members Posts: 57
    Most CS leagues have a rule that taking your "life" if not allowed. I would guess NS leagues having the same rule. And calling this a Exploit is not correct.

    And if a 8 man team killed it self. How long would it take for it too respawn ?? LOOOONG, it would be alot faster too run too the closest phase gate.
  • AcheronAcheron Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8489Members Posts: 69
    QUOTE (EKS @ Nov 18 2002, 08:22 PM)
    Most CS leagues have a rule that taking your "life" if not allowed. I would guess NS leagues having the same rule. And calling this a Exploit is not correct.

    And if a 8 man team killed it self. How long would it take for it too respawn ?? LOOOONG, it would be alot faster too run too the closest phase gate.

    Distress beacon automatically respawns all dead players at their original starting points. Ie: no respawn waits.
  • SkorneSkorne Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9144Members Posts: 23
    Eks, although i respect your thought, this is not Cs.
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  • EKSEKS Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2790Members Posts: 57
    QUOTE (Skorne @ Nov 19 2002, 03:16 AM)
    Eks, although i respect your thought, this is not Cs.

    That explains why i cannot buy my awp wink.gif The point was to show that taking your "life" might not be accepted in a league. And we all know the day you get your entire team too kill yourself on a public server is not comming.

    Acheron:
    RTFM @ me wink.gif buts it still not a exploit.
  • heathenSlayerheathenSlayer Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6088Members Posts: 146
    Only ready room problem I see is on this one map where you start in these little niches, if you don't move fast someone can run up and block you. Or if you get 2 people on hera? they can stand in the doorway choke point and no one can get past to join a team.
  • SnappleSSnappleS Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9073Members Posts: 93
    QUOTE (ZeroByte @ Nov 18 2002, 07:53 PM)
    Or better yet, the smart commander would build phase gates in important outposts, that way, when the base is under attack, just jump into the portals and you're HA'd+HMG'd arse is in the base ready to kick kharaa patootie.

    phase gates take resources. ready room exploit doesn't.
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  • SnappleSSnappleS Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9073Members Posts: 93
    on ns_bast it took me exactly 5 seconds to join marines, starting from the VERY BACK of ready room spawn. i timed it perfectly with a stop watch.
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  • Shrike3OShrike3O Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6678Members, Constellation Posts: 718
    Congratulations. A key bound to kill still teleports you immediately to the spawn line, and "immediately" is faster than any amount of time you might manage to get crossing the ready room down to.

    As for the blocking in the ready room... would it be possible to make it so that ready room players don't clip into each other? Solve that problem real fast...
  • Shrike3OShrike3O Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6678Members, Constellation Posts: 718
    QUOTE (SnappleS @ Nov 19 2002, 11:47 AM)
    QUOTE (ZeroByte @ Nov 18 2002, 07:53 PM)
    Or better yet, the smart commander would build phase gates in important outposts, that way, when the base is under attack, just jump into the portals and you're HA'd+HMG'd arse is in the base ready to kick kharaa patootie.

    phase gates take resources. ready room exploit doesn't.

    Assuming of course that you're not counting the suit of heavy armor and the HMG that his marine in the example was carrying as "resources..." asrifle.gif
  • Lt_WarhoundLt_Warhound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7654Members Posts: 130
    Phase Gate, Movement chamber, similiar effect without the lameness.
  • DemerzelDemerzel Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9181Members Posts: 118
    QUOTE (EKS @ Nov 18 2002, 08:22 PM)
    Most CS leagues have a rule that taking your "life" if not allowed. I would guess NS leagues having the same rule.  And calling this  a Exploit is not correct.

    And if a 8 man team killed it self. How long would it take for it too respawn ?? LOOOONG, it would be alot faster too run too the closest phase gate.


    what happens if you get stuck by a building and have to kill yourself to get free? Would that mean you were using an exploit? Would you be banned for life? tounge.gif

    phase gates are things newer commanders often forget and are invaluable as they are so cheap to build and mean movement times for marines is cut into a tiny fraction leaving them able to attack/defend places that otherwise would be impossible.
  • QuestionQuestion Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9180Members Posts: 365
    I see this as a very incredibly not useful exploit.

    The chance to benefit from it will be like.......1%?
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  • MoroseMorose Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5961Members Posts: 215
    I think the thing that the original poster is forgetting is that joining the team from the ready room DOES NOT bypass the spawn time. So as has been pointed out... /kill is always going to be faster.
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  • SnappleSSnappleS Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9073Members Posts: 93
    QUOTE (Shrike30 @ Nov 20 2002, 03:02 AM)
    QUOTE (SnappleS @ Nov 19 2002, 11:47 AM)
    QUOTE (ZeroByte @ Nov 18 2002, 07:53 PM)
    Or better yet, the smart commander would build phase gates in important outposts, that way, when the base is under attack, just jump into the portals and you're HA'd+HMG'd arse is in the base ready to kick kharaa patootie.

    phase gates take resources. ready room exploit doesn't.

    Assuming of course that you're not counting the suit of heavy armor and the HMG that his marine in the example was carrying as "resources..." asrifle.gif

    If you read all the posts I made you would have noticed I left out "Only a smart marine would use this exploit if he/she didn't have HMG, HA, or any other resource costing weapon/item." in the first one.
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  • DoombringerDoombringer Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8679Members, Constellation Posts: 368
    LOL, "town portal".. that's pretty funny. Never saw that before.

    Personally, I hate using "kill" and will only call upon it's suicidal powers if I'm stuck in a vent or in a structure.
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