Sexy Cheerleading And "breaking It Down"
MrRadicalEd
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<div class="IPBDescription">Lawmaker Seeks to End Sexy Cheerleading</div> Read all about it <a href='http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SUGGESTIVE_CHEERLEADING?SITE=KVUE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT' target='_blank'>here</a>, but I gotta mention my favorite quote from the article
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's just too sexually oriented, you know, the way they're shaking their behinds and going on, <i>breaking it down</i>, and then we say to them, 'don't get involved in sex unless it's marriage or love, it's dangerous out there' and yet the teachers and directors are helping them go through <i>those kind of gyrations</i>.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Some of the funniest stuff in this country just can't be made up.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's just too sexually oriented, you know, the way they're shaking their behinds and going on, <i>breaking it down</i>, and then we say to them, 'don't get involved in sex unless it's marriage or love, it's dangerous out there' and yet the teachers and directors are helping them go through <i>those kind of gyrations</i>.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Some of the funniest stuff in this country just can't be made up.
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I found the stories about the strip club in SD. I had to post it :-)
<a href='http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=25,30476' target='_blank'>First protest 03/05/04</a>
<a href='http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=25,31406' target='_blank'>Second Protest 04/20/04</a>
<a href='http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=25,32352' target='_blank'>Ordinance vote by the county 06/01/04</a>
<a href='http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=25,32367' target='_blank'>Voting results 06/01/04</a>
<a href='http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=25,32925' target='_blank'>Club re-opens as a movie theater.</a>
<a href='http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=25,36933' target='_blank'>New nudity ban approved. </a>
Needless to say, that story is the funniest I have ever heard of thus far.
Anyway, yes it's ridiculous.
You understand Texas is like the only sane place in America, right? Everywhere else, I could murder a family of 4, the two children only 4 years old each, after raping all four of them, and if I got put on death row, it'd probably never happen.
Hell, look at Kary(or whatever) Stayner, here in California. Rapes then beheads 3 women, two 17 and one 34. He got the death penalty 5 years ago(6 now maybe?). Year to be executed? 2015. And guess what? Theres a good chance it'll be applealled because process wasn't done 100%. And it almost never is in Death Penalty cases. At least in Texas they actually kill the a-holes.
In fairness though, I can see the point. The UK judicial system has so little faith from the entire population, because no-one who commited a crime did anything wrong, they just need <i>rehabilitating</i>....
Shocky, rehabilitation is the act of pointing someone guilty into the right direction. If you are found guilty for a capital crime, you <i>did</i> something wrong, but what should your society do with you?
Lock you away from the world for fifteen, twenty years, into the presence of violent and often asocial peers? Well, <i>that</i> is bound to get you on the right track.
Kill you? In case you didn't get the memo, all humanitarian arguments aside, a place on death row will cost the tax payer more than a lifelong prison sentence (remember that security has to be a little tighter around people with nothing to lose). Also consider that <i>no</i> civilized state using the death penalty has a lower rate of capital crimes than states with none. In general, it tends to be even higher. The only, <i>only</i> reason I can see behind the capital punishment is plain revenge, which I'm certain is very satisfying on a personal level - as many of the people on death row can tell you first-hand.
Organized rehabilitation does not always work; in some areas, it doesn't even work most of the time, but at least it works on regular occasions, which is something no other practice of crime treatment so far exercised can claim.
Grammatical nazism aside.
Rehabilitation only works if the person in it wants to be better, which is sadly often not the case. I only wish more people would actually realize they have done something wrong enough to warrant us to care.
If only wishes came true. :-)
(I'd be rich and married, to a tall, dark, and handsome man of course!) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
This is off topic but I'd like to add that there is at least one more reason: The death penalty removes all doubt that the criminal will ever perform their crime again.
On topic: Mommy and Daddy government pretending to know what's better for me than I do. I need someone to design an emoticon I can use to represent me flipping my middle finger toward D.C.
EDIT: Just noticed this is Texas legislation. I'd say it's unlikely to pass based on their individualistic mentality. Either way, I still want my emoticon <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
According to my mother (administrative head of a treatment station for violent and sexual offenders in Bruchsal, one of the two highest security prisons in southern Germany), an estimate of 80% of 'her' prisoners wish for a rehabilitation. The question isn't so much of wanting as of being strong enough.
<!--QuoteBegin-Spooge+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spooge)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is off topic but I'd like to add that there is at least one more reason: The death penalty removes all doubt that the criminal will ever perform their crime again.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To re-iterate: There is no positive difference in crime statistics between a death penalty and a comparable non-DP state. Put differently, the amount of suffering individuals in the population, which I'm certain is what you are on about here, won't be influenced by that criminal's death.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->On topic: Mommy and Daddy government pretending to know what's better for me than I do. I need someone to design an emoticon I can use to represent me flipping my middle finger toward D.C.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn't this about state legislation? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Depends. You forget to post someone to make sure <a href='http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1122157,00.html' target='_blank'>Harold Shipman</a> doesn't commit suicide and, whoops, the bugger hangs himself. How unfortunate.
I think it's something like 1 in 3 convicted murderers have suicidal tendancies in the UK, but I can't find the study that claimed that...dammit. I thought I had it around...
I don't know whether this is a cultural thing, though.
[QUOTE] (Cyndane @ Mar 18 2005, 06:54 PM)
Rehabilitation only works if the person in it wants to be better, which is sadly often not the case. I only wish more people would actually realize they have done something wrong enough to warrant us to care. [quote]
According to my mother (administrative head of a treatment station for violent and sexual offenders in Bruchsal, one of the two highest security prisons in southern Germany), an estimate of 80% of 'her' prisoners wish for a rehabilitation. The question isn't so much of wanting as of being strong enough. [/quote]
I stand corrected then Nemmy. Silly germans. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You understand Texas is like the only sane place in America, right? Everywhere else, I could murder a family of 4, the two children only 4 years old each, after raping all four of them, and if I got put on death row, it'd probably never happen.
Hell, look at Kary(or whatever) Stayner, here in California. Rapes then beheads 3 women, two 17 and one 34. He got the death penalty 5 years ago(6 now maybe?). Year to be executed? 2015. And guess what? Theres a good chance it'll be applealled because process wasn't done 100%. And it almost never is in Death Penalty cases. At least in Texas they actually kill the a-holes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It does not matter whether they kill them or not as long as they are imprisoned.
Also, any sentence involving "Texas" and "sane" is an oxymoron.
That hurt. Of course, you could be just joking, but I shall continue my post anyways.
Yea, I joke around saying stuff like "everything is bigger in Texas" blah blah blah, but I'm just joking. However, people sometimes have wrong impressions of Texas, as well as other states. Texas is not a state full of illiterate, 10 gallon hat wearing, 6-shooter toting, tabacco spitting cowboys. Infact, thinking such is showing ignorance. Texas, as well as other states, is not mostly natives. Heck, my dad is a Northerner, married to a hispanic woman (my mom). States these days, are just that, states. Saying the illiterate and Texas go together like gravity and Newton. It would be the same as saying Alabama's family line is straighter than a Boy Scouts criminal record.
Anyways, back to the cheerleaders...
There goes our football tactics. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Seriously, finally this stops. It can get pretty raunchy at times. And I really can't stand the parents that put their children as young as 5 in a cheer-type program. Uhg, I saw that the other day at a UH basketball game. So sickening. Only a child molester would enjoy a court full of youngins. Awful. I think I would support this.
Now, normally this would be exceedingly awesome for a 17 year old high school senior like myself....but NO! The convention was for cheerleaders ranging from age 12 down to I'd say at least 8. O...M...G....the amount of eye makeup these little girls were wearing was disgusting. And the outfits, dear God the outfits *shudder*
I say leave high school cheerleading alone, these girls have 4 years to learn how to both be proud of their bodies while at the same time not overdoing it, so let them choose how they learn this. But cheerleading in middle schoolers and below, that just needs to stop, or get a whole lot more tame, or something. I never want to see another 9 year old in full makeup wearing a midriff cheerleading outfit, dammit. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now, about the death penalty costing more than a person in jail for life: I hate to say it, but that's really only because inmates sit for so long on Death Row. Take that for what you will. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yea, because we all know a single 9x19mm FMJ round is a hell of a lot cheaper than taking care of someone for life.
Oh yea, and about Texas - I didn't mean EVERYONE in Texas was insane, I was referring to the general stupidity of their legislation.
It's hard to talk about things like this in a dignified way. He can't just say that he doesn't want little girls acting like strippers or prostitutes. That'd be in bad taste.
It sounds silly the way he put it, but it tried to stay somewhat civil.
You understand Texas is like the only sane place in America, right? Everywhere else, I could murder a family of 4, the two children only 4 years old each, after raping all four of them, and if I got put on death row, it'd probably never happen.
Hell, look at Kary(or whatever) Stayner, here in California. Rapes then beheads 3 women, two 17 and one 34. He got the death penalty 5 years ago(6 now maybe?). Year to be executed? 2015. And guess what? Theres a good chance it'll be applealled because process wasn't done 100%. And it almost never is in Death Penalty cases. At least in Texas they actually kill the a-holes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
"We have the death penalty, and we uuuuuse it! You kill someone in Texas, and we'll kill you right back." ~Ron White
Seriously, eye-for-an-eye. Given certain circumstances, if you kill someone/persons than you hae reached levels of low. Rape and kill someone? Lower. Rape and kill your family/other families? You're just lower than dirt. Seriously, you do that, you really deserve to die yourself. If someone has reached the point of being able to do that, I don't see how they can reform. Texas is only "sane" in that sense of logic. Everything else is just a whole different story. Heh.
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As for the cheerleaders...I could put the smackdown on them, but eh. All I can say is there goes the team's distraction tactics.
As a side-note...yes, I am a Texan ;P
So just because one judge said something like this, doesn't mean every Texan hates cheerleading, or any other stupid assumption someone wants to come up with.
Oh and if anyone ever finds me wearing a 10 gallon hat, you have my permission to violently gun me down, so that I don't look like a FOB immigrant trying to blend in after reading about the state in a pamphlet.
Shocky, rehabilitation is the act of pointing someone guilty into the right direction. If you are found guilty for a capital crime, you <i>did</i> something wrong, but what should your society do with you?
Lock you away from the world for fifteen, twenty years, into the presence of violent and often asocial peers? Well, <i>that</i> is bound to get you on the right track.
Kill you? In case you didn't get the memo, all humanitarian arguments aside, a place on death row will cost the tax payer more than a lifelong prison sentence (remember that security has to be a little tighter around people with nothing to lose). Also consider that <i>no</i> civilized state using the death penalty has a lower rate of capital crimes than states with none. In general, it tends to be even higher. The only, <i>only</i> reason I can see behind the capital punishment is plain revenge, which I'm certain is very satisfying on a personal level - as many of the people on death row can tell you first-hand.
Organized rehabilitation does not always work; in some areas, it doesn't even work most of the time, but at least it works on regular occasions, which is something no other practice of crime treatment so far exercised can claim. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't mind rehabilitation as a concept Nem. It's the prospect that justice isn't served. The point of a law system as far as I personally believe is to adjudicate what is right & wrong, and <i>punish</i> those who try to accept the benefits of living in society, without adhering to those rules.
If someone can be rehabilitated and placed back into society in a meaningful, useful role, "Hurray!", we have a working system. Happy joy time. But there needs to be punishment to...
A. Allow the victims of the crime to feel that the criminal met justice, as this discourages resentment that might otherwise simmer. (For example, a murder victims family can often only rest knowing this.)
B. Discourage other members of that same society from considering repeating the crime.
To use the news of this <i>week</i>, no less. One gent has been caught after embezzeling four <b>million</b> pounds, and has just been released after 18 months of a 24 month jail term. However, because he managed to filter away the money successfully, he has effectively kept over two million after costs, losses, police seizures etc, ensuring he will now live 'the easy life' mostly.
I, as a person, suddenly think 18 months in minimum security prison is worth it for 2 million quid, frankly.
Rehabilitation I approve of. It's the lack of punishment that has to occur. But then, we'd had this one before, I'm not a nice guy when it comes to criminal behaviour. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
- Shockwave
As for the cheerleaders, im totally against the promation of sexing up children. I've seen girls(little girls 6~9 year olds) in town with mini skirts and belly showing tops with playgurl1!11one, foxygirl, sexy gurlz and stuff on, imho its sick and totally gives out the wrong messages to youths and i can understand how drunken closest pedo's(closet pedo's as in pedos that choose to not commit crimes but cant control their orientation, which is probably 99% of pedo's) can be tempted.
Also against pop stars dressing in school uniforms(why do american's do that??? they dont have uniforms WTH leave the uk and japan alone :<) and shaking their **** at people(think debute britney spears), that gives it bad messages 2.
While most of us are obviously not influenced by basic advertisements, because we know how cool it is to read discussion forums on the Internet <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> , this wouldn't apply to a majority of the population. The children want to dress like this, and apparently their parents don't have an issue with it.
The issue is, where does the government have the right to draw the line? I have to agree, though, that with the epidemic of overweight people, the last thing we should be promoting is skimpy outfits. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Cheerleading is a state sanctioned program which exclusively focuses on training young women to value appearance over anything else and teaches them that being attractive is an acceptable way of achieving what you want.
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>Brilliant. Just this morning I woke up and thought "What the world really needs is <i>more</i> vapid, pom-pom wielding imbeciles who can do the splits."</span></span>
All you need to add to the curriculum is "Whoring 101", "Advanced taking it in the arse, slut" and "Staying at home and looking after the kids" and the curriculum will be complete. Cheerleading is demeaning and objectifying and a culture that promotes it needs to take a serious look at itself.
You understand Texas is like the only sane place in America, right? Everywhere else, I could murder a family of 4, the two children only 4 years old each, after raping all four of them, and if I got put on death row, it'd probably never happen.
Hell, look at Kary(or whatever) Stayner, here in California. Rapes then beheads 3 women, two 17 and one 34. He got the death penalty 5 years ago(6 now maybe?). Year to be executed? 2015. And guess what? Theres a good chance it'll be applealled because process wasn't done 100%. And it almost never is in Death Penalty cases. At least in Texas they actually kill the a-holes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why give them the easy way out? I think they should sit and rot.
Cheerleading is a state sanctioned program which exclusively focuses on training young women to value appearance over anything else and teaches them that being attractive is an acceptable way of achieving what you want.
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>Brilliant. Just this morning I woke up and thought "What the world really needs is <i>more</i> vapid, pom-pom wielding imbeciles who can do the splits."</span></span>
All you need to add to the curriculum is "Whoring 101", "Advanced taking it in the arse, slut" and "Staying at home and looking after the kids" and the curriculum will be complete. Cheerleading is demeaning and objectifying and a culture that promotes it needs to take a serious look at itself. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But without cheerleading I would have no reason to watch sports
Wow, ya coulda left my state out of this, ya durn idget! We're fine edgumucated folk down 'round here!
I happen to agree with the idea though, I get so much sex-related media and imagery forced into my brain every day, it's tough to focus on things like God, higher thoughts or respecting my girlfriend.
I wouldn't start by stopping cheerleading, that's just silly but I do see where this is coming from. Still, it's like saying football promotes violence, I mean, I guess it does but I'm not too concerned about it.
~ DarkATi