Cheaters Are Back ...
Scylla
Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18942Members
Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18942Members
<div class="IPBDescription">massive increase on my servers</div> It looks like there's a new “easy to use” hook out for Natural Selection. In the last 10 days I banned 7 people because of obvious use of aimbot. Comparing to only 12 banned cheaters since the server is up (1+ year) I would say that’s high increase of cheating.
Any admin sharing the same experience? Any information about a possible new hook for Natural Selection?
Any admin sharing the same experience? Any information about a possible new hook for Natural Selection?
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He's asking you people saw an increase, not who banned who. Just watch out that you don't make this become a witch-hunt. It's forbidden.
As for the cheaters, I haven't seen more than usual (that means pretty rarely).
I agee. These "aimbotters" are probably just too high-skilled for your taste.
I agee. These "aimbotters" are probably just too high-skilled for your taste. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yup.
He's asking you people saw an increase, not who banned who. Just watch out that you don't make this become a witch-hunt. It's forbidden.
As for the cheaters, I haven't seen more than usual (that means pretty rarely). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is exactly what I am trying to combat here. If he has teppla banned for hacks I can pretty much guarentee he is banning people for having skills, not nessicarly for hacking. I don't like witchhunts any more then anyone else, that is why I try to expose them if they start popping up.
I'm not saying that there aren't more hackers around, it stands to reason that 3.0 would attract more of that sort of thing, but I'm just saying don't get all paranoid and raze the terror alert to red, just because one server banned a few more people for hacking then usual.
Teppla = Overrated. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Maby so, but him and the .txt crew probably account for more acctually skill related bans then any other NS player around right now.
ALL CLEAR!
Maby so, but in my experiance servers that are willing to ban on hackusations are much more common in NS then hackers.
Scylla, maybe you can upload some demos of the suspected guys!?
The last case was easy as he wasn’t able to handle a jetpack but hits and tracks easily every target. Nice demo with target locking and switching:
<a href='http://weasels.vegeta.at/files/demos/anders1.zip' target='_blank'>http://weasels.vegeta.at/files/demos/anders1.zip</a>
There some good players out there playing on my server and they easily own me and most others and they won’t get banned. If they obey the rules - all is fine.
Most times it’s quite easy to discern between skilled aiming and an aimbot. Sometimes it’s more difficult. Once we had a player with moderate skills used only his aimbot in rare cases of critical or important situations like building a pg at a hive. I took the time to collect evidences and record it to demos, review it and because of possible prejudice of me it get double checked by another trusted person. But most cases are as clear as the upper demo.
<!--QuoteBegin-RaVe+Mar 10 2005, 09:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Mar 10 2005, 09:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Maybe the hackers just <3 your server Scylla.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope not. A pity I stopped the demo because afterwards I started my humiliation of the cheater by using the jedigrab plugin crushing him into the ground with high speed so he dies by falling damage. He quitted after a while (and 20 deaths) <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Mar 10 2005, 09:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Mar 10 2005, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Maby so, but in my experiance servers that are willing to ban on hackusations are much more common in NS then hackers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That’s a quite difficult topic and as I’m not a very skilled player so I never had that problem but I’m aware of it and many admins are not educated about cheats and scripts and how they work. Serious admins should educate themselves how scripts and cheats work. I think also most cases a skilled player gets banned it not because of cheating it’s only their “argument” for the ban. I think the real reason is that a skilled player may destroy the way they want to play the game. Its part of a bad mindset and if they were educated about the way cheats work they may would think twice about it.
Sure if they pay the server they have the right to ban a skilled player but I think that’s very short sighted. A bad reputation distracts other players from joining your server.
Maby so, but him and the .txt crew probably account for more acctually skill related bans then any other NS player around right now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who? Isn't .txt some pubclan? If they make up the majority of skill related bans, then we're in trouble.
Heh, thats so true, there is a server in the UK, a clan server no less, this clan has banned other clans for beating them 4 - 0. I won't mention the name, people here know who they are <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
that demo is pretty good, by the way. and yeah it was pretty obvious.
might try doing some research and figuring out what the term means...
The last case was easy as he wasn’t able to handle a jetpack but hits and tracks easily every target. Nice demo with target locking and switching:
<a href='http://weasels.vegeta.at/files/demos/anders1.zip' target='_blank'>http://weasels.vegeta.at/files/demos/anders1.zip</a>
There some good players out there playing on my server and they easily own me and most others and they won’t get banned. If they obey the rules - all is fine.
Most times it’s quite easy to discern between skilled aiming and an aimbot. Sometimes it’s more difficult. Once we had a player with moderate skills used only his aimbot in rare cases of critical or important situations like building a pg at a hive. I took the time to collect evidences and record it to demos, review it and because of possible prejudice of me it get double checked by another trusted person. But most cases are as clear as the upper demo.
<!--QuoteBegin-RaVe+Mar 10 2005, 09:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Mar 10 2005, 09:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Maybe the hackers just <3 your server Scylla.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope not. A pity I stopped the demo because afterwards I started my humiliation of the cheater by using the jedigrab plugin crushing him into the ground with high speed so he dies by falling damage. He quitted after a while (and 20 deaths) <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Mar 10 2005, 09:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Mar 10 2005, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Maby so, but in my experiance servers that are willing to ban on hackusations are much more common in NS then hackers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That’s a quite difficult topic and as I’m not a very skilled player so I never had that problem but I’m aware of it and many admins are not educated about cheats and scripts and how they work. Serious admins should educate themselves how scripts and cheats work. I think also most cases a skilled player gets banned it not because of cheating it’s only their “argument” for the ban. I think the real reason is that a skilled player may destroy the way they want to play the game. Its part of a bad mindset and if they were educated about the way cheats work they may would think twice about it.
Sure if they pay the server they have the right to ban a skilled player but I think that’s very short sighted. A bad reputation distracts other players from joining your server. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Very nicely said, and well defended from your corner.
Now isnt it about time you got back to the actuall topic in hand and all quit being so defensive, repeating Xnumber of topics in the past?
And if you want to reply to what I just wrote I dont care, im not listening, get BACK ON TOPIC.
I too have noticed a sharp increase of hook usage since the latest release, however this increase is more than likely just the old idiots coming back to check it out rather than the alternatives.
a HA going faster then a celerity blinking fade has speedhax FTW
I think cryforme's name fits him well.
ill give you credit on that one, it was an aimbot tbh.
Maby so, but him and the .txt crew probably account for more acctually skill related bans then any other NS player around right now. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who? Isn't .txt some pubclan? If they make up the majority of skill related bans, then we're in trouble. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah keyser pretty much hit this one on the nose - .txt isnt a clan - it's just 4 or 5 people who play combat and get banned - teppla got the website and everything now people think we're the cream of the crop - people can rock us no problem (mustang, for example)
Thank you.
I just found something out, cryforme is in that pubclan [On|E], first ban on our page.
No wonder he isn't nice to me.
I'm hoping for a nice 70-80 degree weekend.
EDIT: sorry I accidently put the word 'about' instead of 'out'.
because it generally doubles your latancy