<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Enough so that you can understand that the pain a sentient thinking creature feels is far worse than the pain a regular animal would feel. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is 120% not true
Do you have any pets? I have 3 dogs and from what I have seen dogs are able to express every feeling that humans can (except laughing) so there is absolutely no difference for feelings.
And if I have to decide (let's say if there is a house burning) whether I should save my dogs or another human I'll go for the dogs 1st.
And I'm not saying I condone skinning animals alive.
But it's interesting how people can turn a blind eye to mass genocide of human beings. We can watch people get raped/murdered/burned alive, and feel nothing. But show us a PICTURE of an animal supposedly getting mistreated, and OMG THAT'S SO SICK YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
*edit* and I see it kinda has, but the point still stands. I blame videogame violence */edit*
ShockehIf a packet drops on the web and nobody's near to see it...Join Date: 2002-11-19Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-antifreeze+Mar 10 2005, 12:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (antifreeze @ Mar 10 2005, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There is absolutely no justifiable reason to skin an animal while it’s still alive. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. While there is a lot of knee jerk animal reactionaries who will tell you you can't do ANYTHING with a living creature (newsflash, you're an omnivore, you have canines for a reason) there are some actions that are simply morally wrong.
Animals are vicious on occasion, but humans are the only ones to perfect cruelty.
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
Some people are concerned with themselves, others moderate that concern with the appreciation of how their behaviour effects others.
I've yet to meet any decent people who treat animals badly.
As for those who find it hard to believe that people would value the life of an animal over a human...
My cat adds value to my existence. The same cannot be said of a large number of human beings I meet or that post on these forums. It doesn't occupy the same ecological niche as me either. Other humans, on the other hand, do and frankly I don't have the slightest problems with the herd being thinned.
If the choice was to, for example, either shoot my cat or shoot someone else posting in this thread, then suffice to say we'd be needing to delete an inactive user account from the forums. Even Shockwave would need to start running, because despite me <i>liking</i> him, I love my cat (in the platonic manner, deviants).
<!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Mar 10 2005, 07:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Mar 10 2005, 07:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My cat adds value to my existence. The same cannot be said of a large number of human beings I meet or that post on these forums. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well the same can be said about a large number of cats you meet <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
<!--QuoteBegin-Shockwave+Mar 10 2005, 11:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Mar 10 2005, 11:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Animals are vicious on occasion, but humans are the only ones to perfect cruelty.
- Shockwave <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sigged for truth
You do know that he isn't the first one to say that, right?
And I'm not too sure about this human vs animal stuff. Mostly because just <i>thinking</i> of a person being shot or an animal being skinned alive doesn't really touch me like it would in reality(Thanks, media). I would probably go with the animal, but it's a pretty tough decision.
ShockehIf a packet drops on the web and nobody's near to see it...Join Date: 2002-11-19Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Mar 10 2005, 01:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Mar 10 2005, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even Shockwave would need to start running, because despite me <i>liking</i> him, I love my cat (in the platonic manner, deviants). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As I've said before to many people. There's moral restraint & fear of getting caught. Some people are motivated against certain acts because of one, and some the other.
I could happily put a 9mm into Grendels head just to watch the splatter pattern.
<!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Mar 10 2005, 08:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Mar 10 2005, 08:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Some people are concerned with themselves, others moderate that concern with the appreciation of how their behaviour effects others.
I've yet to meet any decent people who treat animals badly.
As for those who find it hard to believe that people would value the life of an animal over a human...
My cat adds value to my existence. The same cannot be said of a large number of human beings I meet or that post on these forums. It doesn't occupy the same ecological niche as me either. Other humans, on the other hand, do and frankly I don't have the slightest problems with the herd being thinned.
If the choice was to, for example, either shoot my cat or shoot someone else posting in this thread, then suffice to say we'd be needing to delete an inactive user account from the forums. Even Shockwave would need to start running, because despite me <i>liking</i> him, I love my cat (in the platonic manner, deviants). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I know who I'm NOT asking to watch my back when the zombie infestation finally occurs...
<!--QuoteBegin-Rob+Mar 10 2005, 06:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rob @ Mar 10 2005, 06:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Don't know if this has been said...
And I'm not saying I condone skinning animals alive.
But it's interesting how people can turn a blind eye to mass genocide of human beings. We can watch people get raped/murdered/burned alive, and feel nothing. But show us a PICTURE of an animal supposedly getting mistreated, and OMG THAT'S SO SICK YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
*edit* and I see it kinda has, but the point still stands. I blame videogame violence */edit* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't watch people get raped/murdered/burned alive very often. When I do rest assured my response is no different then it would be were furry animals to be involved. I still don't see how the fact that human mistreatment exists in the world minimizes the fact that animal mistreatment is still wrong.
Can we go pillage the chicken factory and free all the chickens and set up a chicken island where the chickens live free and the pillaged workeers are forced to peck food fromt he ground and build all might comunist boats! (cough blockland*)
<!--QuoteBegin-kittycat+Mar 10 2005, 06:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kittycat @ Mar 10 2005, 06:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Enough so that you can understand that the pain a sentient thinking creature feels is far worse than the pain a regular animal would feel. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is 120% not true
Do you have any pets? I have 3 dogs and from what I have seen dogs are able to express every feeling that humans can (except laughing) so there is absolutely no difference for feelings.
And if I have to decide (let's say if there is a house burning) whether I should save my dogs or another human I'll go for the dogs 1st. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I say that in lieu of brain mass and nueral complexity. I have a pet cat, I love my pet cat, and I can read the expressions on my pet cat's face. So I know why you say that. But as far as emotional complexity goes, the award goes to humans.
(Well I had two cats, but one was run over by a car about a month or so ago.)
But if my house was on fire, and my cat and another human was trapped in the building, I'd have to go for the human being. I don't think I can involuntarily allow the human to die. ------------------- @Zig; Yeah I must be thinking of another video then. Nice giant font, you should color it and italicize it too.
honestly if you have no sympathy for the animals being SKINNED ALIVE, not even spared the inexpensive and simple humanity of being KILLED FIRST, <b>you are a waste of a human mind and body and i hope, for the sake of the world, that you never have the opportunity to pollute the gene pool with your worthless, vile essence</b>
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
Well I never did get to put in my small input besides the heart wrenching story about the baby onos losing his family to TSA Poachers...
*so sad...
Anyways
I really dont mind about hunting and animal skin trade and stuff.
My only request/wish is that they kill the animals before they do the skinning. I mean really, to be fair to both sides it doesnt have to be some big time consuming expensive process for the killing, just make sure they are good and dead before u rip the flesh of them. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Meh even though I dont believe in it, this is one dame good reason to not be a smuck in life so when you die and get reincarnated as some animal its not one of these ones. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
but also funny <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Mar 10 2005, 07:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Mar 10 2005, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->honestly if you have no sympathy for the animals being SKINNED ALIVE, not even spared the inexpensive and simple humanity of being KILLED FIRST, <b>you are a waste of a human mind and body and i hope, for the sake of the world, that you never have the opportunity to pollute the gene pool with your worthless, vile essence</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm going to assume this isn't aimed at me or anyone else in this thread, as I never stated I had no sympathy for them and I don't recall anyone else saying as much either. Take a few deep breaths there Zig, mate.
Those flipping **** deserve to be shot and rot in hell. At least kill the animals first, and laughing and joking around while doing it? flipping disgusting.
now while i think the skinning alive is a bit much, true its a bit much to not bother with the slitting the throat and what not(not the mention not logical, i mean they would kick alot less, no squiming, easily moved with them haveing the ragdoll effect). I dont think killing the buggers is bad, i mean whoop dee friggin doo, so poor chap of an animal died. Guess what.....
S**t happens!
humans have dominated the world, survival of the fittest, and humans have obviously proved we win(well, you might not say were the fittest ANYMORE with the obesse population raising like a rocket, and the adoption of weakness into society). Saying we shouldnt wear fur coats for some of the many animals of the world = inane, if you would rather save an animal from a building than a human it should be for 2 reasons. 1, your hungry or might not have food for a while(and boiled mutt sound pretty good to a starving man) or 2, the human in the building is a worthless leach who is an **** and doesnt contribute anything to society or anyone so in turn the animal is worth more cause it can like bark at intruders or something(and eats less than the worthless leach of a man). Saving the animal cause you like to pet it and talk to it cause you dont have anyfriends is a BAD choice. I admit, now days the are quite a few worthless people out there, but typically the human is worth more cause it contributes to YOUR society. So wear a nice fur coat to keep you cozy in front of the computer, better 4 u in the end. +the site says PETA right on it, dead giveaway its worthless.
and the whole religious crap about putting humans b4 animals is just sorta inane also, were not better cause some big comm that lives in the sky or something built us as copies of him or some crap. Its cause we have the logical ability to be able to do these things. I mean i dont see no cow travleing to other planets and planning to colonize them, and im pretty sure god isnt the one sending animals or us on some technological adventure. humans have the superiority cause we have advanced, sure we made a few blunders along the way with our building of society or socialism.
And im sure getting skinned to death would REALLY suck, but you know, tough luck. Sure id hate it if i got skinned to death, but i would die in a bit and life would go on. Not like im even going to exist or know it happened after i die, not like we are going to be brought back to life or anything.
and to forstall any remarks about our "superiority", you might say "if were so superior, why are we killing all the animals, wild-life, ozone, greenthumb this, greenthumb that, bla bla bla". IMO its true our "superiority" might be the death of us all, but then.... ......GUESS WHAT?!?! we wouldnt be superior anymore, we would be dead and some stupid bacteria or stange squirel that takes in carbon dioxide, or something, would be superior, cause it SURVIVED and took over while we died out.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Enough so that you can understand that the pain a sentient thinking creature feels is far worse than the pain a regular animal would feel.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think this could have a little ring of truth to it. humans nowdays *****, whine, moan and complain about everything. humans exadurate it all being so much worse that for their minds it becomes worse. If your thinking about how much it hurts, your going to feel it alot more. while if your concentrated of getting away from something 3V1L the pain is there, but its not top of the list 4 you, yur mind just ignors the pain for the most part. so humans might feel the pain worse, but only cause there whining and sniviling.
and i think humans are very much animals, were just far advanced, we have logical thought patterns and can think beyond instinct for the most part. WE ARE BETTER THAN THE ANIMALS YOU FILTHY PETA RETARDS.
I got alot more i could post about on my opinion and ideas of the whole matter, but id rather go back to playing some NS b4 i head on to the ol' bead
yeah, and im atheist for all you religious folk out there, just say im living in ignorance and need to be saved or some crap to keep the religious arguing down to a minimum.
and quite frankly the chicken thing was hilarious, think of it as a rollercoater for them.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And im sure getting skinned to death would REALLY suck, but you know, tough luck. Sure id hate it if i got skinned to death, but i would die in a bit and life would go on. Not like im even going to exist or know it happened after i die, not like we are going to be brought back to life or anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Life wouldn't go on for you, and those last moments would <i>really</i> suck.
<!--QuoteBegin-LoDwkeef+Mar 11 2005, 01:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LoDwkeef @ Mar 11 2005, 01:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> now while i think the skinning alive is a bit much, true its a bit much to not bother with the slitting the throat and what not(not the mention not logical, i mean they would kick alot less, no squiming, easily moved with them haveing the ragdoll effect). I dont think killing the buggers is bad, i mean whoop dee friggin doo, so poor chap of an animal died. Guess what.....
S**t happens! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes it does. So, you know, next time a mass human murder occurs, or an american is beheaded in iraq, just suck it up! Because **** happens.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> humans have dominated the world, survival of the fittest, and humans have obviously proved we win(well, you might not say were the fittest ANYMORE with the obesse population raising like a rocket, and the adoption of weakness into society). Saying we shouldnt wear fur coats for some of the many animals of the world = inane<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not at all. We don't need to wear fur coats to stay warm, we don't need them for anything. They're a way for people to show off their vanity and large income.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->if you would rather save an animal from a building than a human it should be for 2 reasons. 1, your hungry or might not have food for a while(and boiled mutt sound pretty good to a starving man)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Though the human has a greater meat mass, and more fat. And hey, they're going to die anyway under the terms of the hypothetical situation so why wouldn't I choose them to eat?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->or 2, the human in the building is a worthless leach who is an **** and doesnt contribute anything to society or anyone<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That describes a good 97% of humanity by my estimation.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->so in turn the animal is worth more cause it can like bark at intruders or something(and eats less than the worthless leach of a man). Saving the animal cause you like to pet it and talk to it cause you dont have anyfriends is a BAD choice.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why? The human probably isn't pettable, and certainly won't be as thankfull that I saved his life as the animal. Who was it who said that the difference between a dog and a man, is that if you feed a starving dog he will never bite you? It may not be an entirely acurate statement but the general idea is there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I admit, now days the are quite a few worthless people out there, but typically the human is worth more cause it contributes to YOUR society. So wear a nice fur coat to keep you cozy in front of the computer, better 4 u in the end.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Right. Because the world revolves around you and you are the only one who matters. By your logic, I should save neither man nor beast from that burning building because risking myself is a bad choice since it might kill me.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->+the site says PETA right on it, dead giveaway its worthless.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, right ****. I'm sure they faked that video of ANIMALS BEING SKINNED ALIVE just to sicken and enrage people. You are a grade A, class 1 MORON! Based on this statement alone, if it were you in that hypothetical burning building and say, a housefly, guess which one I'll save? Heres a hint: he'll fit in my pocket.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and the whole religious crap about putting humans b4 animals is just sorta inane also, were not better cause some big comm that lives in the sky or something built us as copies of him or some crap. Its cause we have the logical ability to be able to do these things. I mean i dont see no cow travleing to other planets and planning to colonize them, and im pretty sure god isnt the one sending animals or us on some technological adventure. humans have the superiority cause we have advanced, sure we made a few blunders along the way with our building of society or socialism.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It sounds as though you believe that the powerfull should be able to do whatever you can't prevent them from doing. Catch-22 FTW perhaps?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And im sure getting skinned to death would REALLY suck, but you know, tough luck.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> When I track you down, and its suddenly you facing the horrible death, I'll be sure to remind you of that. (legal note: I'm not actually going to track you down, scumm like you aren't worth the effort).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sure id hate it if i got skinned to death, but i would die in a bit and life would go on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> See: Snidely's post
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not like im even going to exist or know it happened after i die, not like we are going to be brought back to life or anything.
and to forstall any remarks about our "superiority", you might say "if were so superior, why are we killing all the animals, wild-life, ozone, greenthumb this, greenthumb that, bla bla bla". IMO its true our "superiority" might be the death of us all, but then.... ......GUESS WHAT?!?! we wouldnt be superior anymore, we would be dead and some stupid bacteria or stange squirel that takes in carbon dioxide, or something, would be superior, cause it SURVIVED and took over while we died out.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You really have it out for animal lovers, nature lovers, and well, anyone with any compassion at all really don't you?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Enough so that you can understand that the pain a sentient thinking creature feels is far worse than the pain a regular animal would feel.
I think this could have a little ring of truth to it. humans nowdays *****, whine, moan and complain about everything. humans exadurate it all being so much worse that for their minds it becomes worse. If your thinking about how much it hurts, your going to feel it alot more.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Again, I'll remind you of this the next time you're being skinned alive.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->while if your concentrated of getting away from something 3V1L the pain is there, but its not top of the list 4 you, yur mind just ignors the pain for the most part. so humans might feel the pain worse, but only cause there whining and sniviling.
and i think humans are very much animals, were just far advanced, we have logical thought patterns and can think beyond instinct for the most part. WE ARE BETTER THAN THE ANIMALS YOU FILTHY PETA RETARDS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> In certain respects yes. In certain other respects obviously not, as you aptly demonstrate.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I got alot more i could post about on my opinion and ideas of the whole matter, but id rather go back to playing some NS b4 i head on to the ol' bead<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That'd be for the best, because your opinions sicken me to no end. I'm sure I'm not alone there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yeah, and im atheist for all you religious folk out there, just say im living in ignorance and need to be saved or some crap to keep the religious arguing down to a minimum.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You and people like you are the reason atheists have so much trouble trying to convince christians that they aren't immoral people. I guess what I'm saying is that, frankly, the world would be a better place if you'd just crawl into a hole and die.
Wow, Skulkbait pretty much summed up everything I was going to add to my post.
<!--QuoteBegin-LoDwkeef+Mar 11 2005, 01:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LoDwkeef @ Mar 11 2005, 01:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and quite frankly the chicken thing was hilarious, think of it as a rollercoater for them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll just leave with this: the next time that something unpleasant happens to you, please post about it here. Then we can all laugh at your misfortune. Car crash? Well, it's just like bumper cars, innit?
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This is 120% not true
Do you have any pets? I have 3 dogs and from what I have seen dogs are able to express every feeling that humans can (except laughing) so there is absolutely no difference for feelings.
And if I have to decide (let's say if there is a house burning) whether I should save my dogs or another human I'll go for the dogs 1st.
And I'm not saying I condone skinning animals alive.
But it's interesting how people can turn a blind eye to mass genocide of human beings. We can watch people get raped/murdered/burned alive, and feel nothing. But show us a PICTURE of an animal supposedly getting mistreated, and OMG THAT'S SO SICK YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
*edit* and I see it kinda has, but the point still stands. I blame videogame violence */edit*
Agreed. While there is a lot of knee jerk animal reactionaries who will tell you you can't do ANYTHING with a living creature (newsflash, you're an omnivore, you have canines for a reason) there are some actions that are simply morally wrong.
Animals are vicious on occasion, but humans are the only ones to perfect cruelty.
- Shockwave
I've yet to meet any decent people who treat animals badly.
As for those who find it hard to believe that people would value the life of an animal over a human...
My cat adds value to my existence. The same cannot be said of a large number of human beings I meet or that post on these forums. It doesn't occupy the same ecological niche as me either. Other humans, on the other hand, do and frankly I don't have the slightest problems with the herd being thinned.
If the choice was to, for example, either shoot my cat or shoot someone else posting in this thread, then suffice to say we'd be needing to delete an inactive user account from the forums. Even Shockwave would need to start running, because despite me <i>liking</i> him, I love my cat (in the platonic manner, deviants).
Well the same can be said about a large number of cats you meet <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
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Sigged for truth
And I'm not too sure about this human vs animal stuff. Mostly because just <i>thinking</i> of a person being shot or an animal being skinned alive doesn't really touch me like it would in reality(Thanks, media). I would probably go with the animal, but it's a pretty tough decision.
Grendel, have you read about the Monkeysphere?
As I've said before to many people. There's moral restraint & fear of getting caught. Some people are motivated against certain acts because of one, and some the other.
I could happily put a 9mm into Grendels head just to watch the splatter pattern.
I love you too, Grendel.
- Shockwave
Edit: I love the word "thread." One typo and it's ruined.
I've yet to meet any decent people who treat animals badly.
As for those who find it hard to believe that people would value the life of an animal over a human...
My cat adds value to my existence. The same cannot be said of a large number of human beings I meet or that post on these forums. It doesn't occupy the same ecological niche as me either. Other humans, on the other hand, do and frankly I don't have the slightest problems with the herd being thinned.
If the choice was to, for example, either shoot my cat or shoot someone else posting in this thread, then suffice to say we'd be needing to delete an inactive user account from the forums. Even Shockwave would need to start running, because despite me <i>liking</i> him, I love my cat (in the platonic manner, deviants). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know who I'm NOT asking to watch my back when the zombie infestation finally occurs...
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And I'm not saying I condone skinning animals alive.
But it's interesting how people can turn a blind eye to mass genocide of human beings. We can watch people get raped/murdered/burned alive, and feel nothing. But show us a PICTURE of an animal supposedly getting mistreated, and OMG THAT'S SO SICK YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
*edit* and I see it kinda has, but the point still stands. I blame videogame violence */edit* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't watch people get raped/murdered/burned alive very often. When I do rest assured my response is no different then it would be were furry animals to be involved. I still don't see how the fact that human mistreatment exists in the world minimizes the fact that animal mistreatment is still wrong.
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This is 120% not true
Do you have any pets? I have 3 dogs and from what I have seen dogs are able to express every feeling that humans can (except laughing) so there is absolutely no difference for feelings.
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I say that in lieu of brain mass and nueral complexity. I have a pet cat, I love my pet cat, and I can read the expressions on my pet cat's face. So I know why you say that. But as far as emotional complexity goes, the award goes to humans.
(Well I had two cats, but one was run over by a car about a month or so ago.)
But if my house was on fire, and my cat and another human was trapped in the building, I'd have to go for the human being. I don't think I can involuntarily allow the human to die.
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@Zig; Yeah I must be thinking of another video then. Nice giant font, you should color it and italicize it too.
honestly if you have no sympathy for the animals being SKINNED ALIVE, not even spared the inexpensive and simple humanity of being KILLED FIRST, <b>you are a waste of a human mind and body and i hope, for the sake of the world, that you never have the opportunity to pollute the gene pool with your worthless, vile essence</b>
*so sad...
Anyways
I really dont mind about hunting and animal skin trade and stuff.
My only request/wish is that they kill the animals before they do the skinning. I mean really, to be fair to both sides it doesnt have to be some big time consuming expensive process for the killing, just make sure they are good and dead before u rip the flesh of them. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Meh even though I dont believe in it, this is one dame good reason to not be a smuck in life so when you die and get reincarnated as some animal its not one of these ones. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
but also funny <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Chicken harvesting machine = Slightly humorous and overall kind of funny.
Fixed.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Mar 10 2005, 07:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Mar 10 2005, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->honestly if you have no sympathy for the animals being SKINNED ALIVE, not even spared the inexpensive and simple humanity of being KILLED FIRST, <b>you are a waste of a human mind and body and i hope, for the sake of the world, that you never have the opportunity to pollute the gene pool with your worthless, vile essence</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm going to assume this isn't aimed at me or anyone else in this thread, as I never stated I had no sympathy for them and I don't recall anyone else saying as much either. Take a few deep breaths there Zig, mate.
S**t happens!
humans have dominated the world, survival of the fittest, and humans have obviously proved we win(well, you might not say were the fittest ANYMORE with the obesse population raising like a rocket, and the adoption of weakness into society). Saying we shouldnt wear fur coats for some of the many animals of the world = inane, if you would rather save an animal from a building than a human it should be for 2 reasons. 1, your hungry or might not have food for a while(and boiled mutt sound pretty good to a starving man) or 2, the human in the building is a worthless leach who is an **** and doesnt contribute anything to society or anyone so in turn the animal is worth more cause it can like bark at intruders or something(and eats less than the worthless leach of a man). Saving the animal cause you like to pet it and talk to it cause you dont have anyfriends is a BAD choice. I admit, now days the are quite a few worthless people out there, but typically the human is worth more cause it contributes to YOUR society. So wear a nice fur coat to keep you cozy in front of the computer, better 4 u in the end. +the site says PETA right on it, dead giveaway its worthless.
and the whole religious crap about putting humans b4 animals is just sorta inane also, were not better cause some big comm that lives in the sky or something built us as copies of him or some crap. Its cause we have the logical ability to be able to do these things. I mean i dont see no cow travleing to other planets and planning to colonize them, and im pretty sure god isnt the one sending animals or us on some technological adventure. humans have the superiority cause we have advanced, sure we made a few blunders along the way with our building of society or socialism.
And im sure getting skinned to death would REALLY suck, but you know, tough luck. Sure id hate it if i got skinned to death, but i would die in a bit and life would go on. Not like im even going to exist or know it happened after i die, not like we are going to be brought back to life or anything.
and to forstall any remarks about our "superiority", you might say "if were so superior, why are we killing all the animals, wild-life, ozone, greenthumb this, greenthumb that, bla bla bla". IMO its true our "superiority" might be the death of us all, but then.... ......GUESS WHAT?!?! we wouldnt be superior anymore, we would be dead and some stupid bacteria or stange squirel that takes in carbon dioxide, or something, would be superior, cause it SURVIVED and took over while we died out.
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Enough so that you can understand that the pain a sentient thinking creature feels is far worse than the pain a regular animal would feel.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think this could have a little ring of truth to it. humans nowdays *****, whine, moan and complain about everything. humans exadurate it all being so much worse that for their minds it becomes worse. If your thinking about how much it hurts, your going to feel it alot more. while if your concentrated of getting away from something 3V1L the pain is there, but its not top of the list 4 you, yur mind just ignors the pain for the most part. so humans might feel the pain worse, but only cause there whining and sniviling.
and i think humans are very much animals, were just far advanced, we have logical thought patterns and can think beyond instinct for the most part. WE ARE BETTER THAN THE ANIMALS YOU FILTHY PETA RETARDS.
I got alot more i could post about on my opinion and ideas of the whole matter, but id rather go back to playing some NS b4 i head on to the ol' bead
yeah, and im atheist for all you religious folk out there, just say im living in ignorance and need to be saved or some crap to keep the religious arguing down to a minimum.
and quite frankly the chicken thing was hilarious, think of it as a rollercoater for them.
Life wouldn't go on for you, and those last moments would <i>really</i> suck.
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Yes it does. So, you know, next time a mass human murder occurs, or an american is beheaded in iraq, just suck it up! Because **** happens.
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humans have dominated the world, survival of the fittest, and humans have obviously proved we win(well, you might not say were the fittest ANYMORE with the obesse population raising like a rocket, and the adoption of weakness into society). Saying we shouldnt wear fur coats for some of the many animals of the world = inane<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not at all. We don't need to wear fur coats to stay warm, we don't need them for anything. They're a way for people to show off their vanity and large income.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->if you would rather save an animal from a building than a human it should be for 2 reasons. 1, your hungry or might not have food for a while(and boiled mutt sound pretty good to a starving man)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Though the human has a greater meat mass, and more fat. And hey, they're going to die anyway under the terms of the hypothetical situation so why wouldn't I choose them to eat?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->or 2, the human in the building is a worthless leach who is an **** and doesnt contribute anything to society or anyone<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That describes a good 97% of humanity by my estimation.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->so in turn the animal is worth more cause it can like bark at intruders or something(and eats less than the worthless leach of a man). Saving the animal cause you like to pet it and talk to it cause you dont have anyfriends is a BAD choice.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why? The human probably isn't pettable, and certainly won't be as thankfull that I saved his life as the animal. Who was it who said that the difference between a dog and a man, is that if you feed a starving dog he will never bite you? It may not be an entirely acurate statement but the general idea is there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I admit, now days the are quite a few worthless people out there, but typically the human is worth more cause it contributes to YOUR society. So wear a nice fur coat to keep you cozy in front of the computer, better 4 u in the end.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right. Because the world revolves around you and you are the only one who matters. By your logic, I should save neither man nor beast from that burning building because risking myself is a bad choice since it might kill me.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->+the site says PETA right on it, dead giveaway its worthless.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, right ****. I'm sure they faked that video of ANIMALS BEING SKINNED ALIVE just to sicken and enrage people. You are a grade A, class 1 MORON! Based on this statement alone, if it were you in that hypothetical burning building and say, a housefly, guess which one I'll save? Heres a hint: he'll fit in my pocket.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and the whole religious crap about putting humans b4 animals is just sorta inane also, were not better cause some big comm that lives in the sky or something built us as copies of him or some crap. Its cause we have the logical ability to be able to do these things. I mean i dont see no cow travleing to other planets and planning to colonize them, and im pretty sure god isnt the one sending animals or us on some technological adventure. humans have the superiority cause we have advanced, sure we made a few blunders along the way with our building of society or socialism.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It sounds as though you believe that the powerfull should be able to do whatever you can't prevent them from doing. Catch-22 FTW perhaps?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And im sure getting skinned to death would REALLY suck, but you know, tough luck.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When I track you down, and its suddenly you facing the horrible death, I'll be sure to remind you of that. (legal note: I'm not actually going to track you down, scumm like you aren't worth the effort).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sure id hate it if i got skinned to death, but i would die in a bit and life would go on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See: Snidely's post
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not like im even going to exist or know it happened after i die, not like we are going to be brought back to life or anything.
and to forstall any remarks about our "superiority", you might say "if were so superior, why are we killing all the animals, wild-life, ozone, greenthumb this, greenthumb that, bla bla bla". IMO its true our "superiority" might be the death of us all, but then.... ......GUESS WHAT?!?! we wouldnt be superior anymore, we would be dead and some stupid bacteria or stange squirel that takes in carbon dioxide, or something, would be superior, cause it SURVIVED and took over while we died out.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You really have it out for animal lovers, nature lovers, and well, anyone with any compassion at all really don't you?
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Enough so that you can understand that the pain a sentient thinking creature feels is far worse than the pain a regular animal would feel.
I think this could have a little ring of truth to it. humans nowdays *****, whine, moan and complain about everything. humans exadurate it all being so much worse that for their minds it becomes worse. If your thinking about how much it hurts, your going to feel it alot more.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Again, I'll remind you of this the next time you're being skinned alive.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->while if your concentrated of getting away from something 3V1L the pain is there, but its not top of the list 4 you, yur mind just ignors the pain for the most part. so humans might feel the pain worse, but only cause there whining and sniviling.
and i think humans are very much animals, were just far advanced, we have logical thought patterns and can think beyond instinct for the most part. WE ARE BETTER THAN THE ANIMALS YOU FILTHY PETA RETARDS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In certain respects yes. In certain other respects obviously not, as you aptly demonstrate.
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That'd be for the best, because your opinions sicken me to no end. I'm sure I'm not alone there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yeah, and im atheist for all you religious folk out there, just say im living in ignorance and need to be saved or some crap to keep the religious arguing down to a minimum.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You and people like you are the reason atheists have so much trouble trying to convince christians that they aren't immoral people. I guess what I'm saying is that, frankly, the world would be a better place if you'd just crawl into a hole and die.
<!--QuoteBegin-LoDwkeef+Mar 11 2005, 01:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LoDwkeef @ Mar 11 2005, 01:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and quite frankly the chicken thing was hilarious, think of it as a rollercoater for them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll just leave with this: the next time that something unpleasant happens to you, please post about it here. Then we can all laugh at your misfortune. Car crash? Well, it's just like bumper cars, innit?