Onos Paralysis

ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
That has to be the lamest weapon in the whole game especialy when it is given to the strongest character the game. I thought it was fine at first until i reliesed it actualy shoots, the way it looked i thought it was just a close combat thing but it shoots and you can be paralysed continuesly and not be able to move. That weapon needs to be altered, either remove it or give it to a class that can easily be killed not the hardest thing in the game.

The way the weapon is in the game it is more of a single player thing, I had to leave a game cos some **obscenity** head just kept paralysisin me and i couldnt do anythin about it.

Its quite bad saying this cos all the sad ppl will find out it actualy shoots and start really really **obscenity** off loads of ppl making ppl leave more during a game <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • TwexTwex Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4999Members
    sorry, I can't follow your logic

    a strong class should not have a strong weapon?

    and of course it shoots. why would you paralyze someone closerange when you can kill him instead?

    paralyze just ensure that when you are alone and meet an Onos, you die. as it should be, given the cost of Onos.
  • n00b101n00b101 Join Date: 2002-10-29 Member: 1706Members
    Didnt knew it was long range, thanks for telling me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Indeed it seems pertty powerful, maybe should it only have a bit the same effect as Web, but you'd still have your weapon ? Any ideas ?
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    And, ah, by the way... you can still SHOOT the Onos while you're paralyzed. It only keeps you from moving, not from firing.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    look, onos = best thing for aliens and it FN hard to get

    sorta like saying that a marine with an HMG, HA, motion trakking, and all wep/AR upgrades is cheap

    it is hard to pull out the onos, thus it gets nasty powers
  • DefDef Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8551Members
    dont worry about it dude, if the aliens ever get all 3 hives anyways, you deserve to die and your commander should never ever be allowed to comm ever again.

    Only lamer marines ever let the aliens get all 3 hives.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    no Def, that isn't true

    thats sorta like saying, only lame aliens ever let a commie set up an expansion, simply not ture

    sometimes aliens manage to due it, some times they don't

    it is also VERY possible to win when aliens have 3 hives up

    if marines have the RPs to back them selves up with then they have no worries.

    bleh whatever

    paralyze is b/c the onos is slow and needs it, if marines could just back up and fire that would destroy the onos
  • DefDef Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8551Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Thansal+Nov 17 2002, 11:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Nov 17 2002, 11:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->no Def, that isn't true

    thats sorta like saying, only lame aliens ever let a commie set up an expansion, simply not ture

    sometimes aliens manage to due it, some times they don't

    it is also VERY possible to win when aliens have 3 hives up

    if marines have the RPs to back them selves up with then they have no worries.

    bleh whatever

    paralyze is b/c the onos is slow and needs it, if marines could just back up and fire that would destroy the onos<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ussually when aliens have all 3 hives they also have most of the RP's. I still agree with what i said earlier.

    "If aliens ever get all 3 hives, marines deserve to die and thier commander should never ever be allowed to comm agian. PERIOD"

    the most important issue for me as commander is to get to the nearest hive ASAP and setup a base there, and THEN go get more RP's.
  • ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
    it doesnt take long to build up 3 hives compared to getting enough rps to get most if not all upgrades for the marines and been able to produce hmgs/glaunchers and ha.

    If you pop around a corner and see an onos it is really hard to be able to run from it, now that ppl will relise that they can paralyze from a distance then it just becomes lame, it doesnt even need much energy as well.

    I think there should be a limit to only 1 onos on alien team and when he dies there is a fairly put time limit before there can be another meaning if aliens have 3 hives marines still have a chance.
  • BobTheDogBobTheDog Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9065Members
    As an asside, the in-game help text says that the paralysis doesn't hurt your target, but I was in a game, and the death-text said that an onos killed a marine with paralysis, so DOES it hurt you, or does the game blame paralysis if you die from anything while paralyzed? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • sqwurlsqwurl Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3260Members
    Maybe he couldn't take it anymore and gave 'er the ole policeman's farewell?
  • TwexTwex Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4999Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->it doesnt take long to build up 3 hives compared to getting enough rps to get most if not all upgrades for the marines and been able to produce hmgs/glaunchers and ha.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    that's why marines must prevent aliens from getting all 3 hives. marines that sit around and turtle behind sentries deserve to lose, badly.
  • InexorableInexorable Join Date: 2002-09-28 Member: 1360Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--ViolenceJack+Nov 17 2002, 01:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViolenceJack @ Nov 17 2002, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The way the weapon is in the game it is more of a single player thing, I had to leave a game cos some **obscenity** head just kept paralysisin me and i couldnt do anythin about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I find that incredibly funny. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I should do that next time I find a marine all alone.
  • xioutlawixxioutlawix Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7118Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Def+Nov 17 2002, 11:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Def @ Nov 17 2002, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Thansal+Nov 17 2002, 11:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Nov 17 2002, 11:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ussually when aliens have all 3 hives they also have most of the RP's. I still agree with what i said earlier.

    "If aliens ever get all 3 hives, marines deserve to die and thier commander should never ever be allowed to comm agian. PERIOD"

    the most important issue for me as commander is to get to the nearest hive ASAP and setup a base there, and THEN go get more RP's.
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    Hehe, so you've never slipped by accident and had the aliens take BACK a hive from you? I personally have taken hives that were guarded back plenty of times. Does this mean those commanders I've played against who finally lost the hive to me don't deserve to ever play commander again? That's a pretty broad generalization there.
  • DefDef Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8551Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--xioutlawix+Nov 17 2002, 12:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xioutlawix @ Nov 17 2002, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Def+Nov 17 2002, 11:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Def @ Nov 17 2002, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Thansal+Nov 17 2002, 11:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Nov 17 2002, 11:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ussually when aliens have all 3 hives they also have most of the RP's. I still agree with what i said earlier.

    "If aliens ever get all 3 hives, marines deserve to die and thier commander should never ever be allowed to comm agian. PERIOD"

    the most important issue for me as commander is to get to the nearest hive ASAP and setup a base there, and THEN go get more RP's.
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    Hehe, so you've never slipped by accident and had the aliens take BACK a hive from you? I personally have taken hives that were guarded back plenty of times. Does this mean those commanders I've played against who finally lost the hive to me don't deserve to ever play commander again? That's a pretty broad generalization there.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yes, if your a commander, you need to be on the top of your game and be aware of things that are happening. If the hive is being attacked by a heavy force, you need to get all your marines there ASAP! i ALWAYS setup a phase gate to every hive i take over, its a must.
  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    So your stating that you've never lost a game as commander? Losing is a part of the game, as is winning. Pretty much the only game you can't play twice is hot potatoe with an hand grenade <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    People have to learn, which includes failing from time to time.
  • Markeo900Markeo900 Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9041Members
    LOL one Onos per team? Yeah what a great idea... Aliens spend all that time and RP getting a third hive and only one person is allowed to use the new evolution you get lol.

    How about marines get limited to one set of HA and one HMG per team lol. OMFG I IS SUCH A GENIUS.

    Ono's are meant to be super powerful, they cost 70RP just to evolve into one. HA and a HMG costs a mere 50 - 60 i can't remeber now actually...

    Sometimes it hard to stop aliens getting 3 Hives, but often i've played games where they get 3, and end up leaving one undefended, and we've lost because the gorges expanded too fast and didnt defend anthing.

    How many times, i've seen gorges "saving for second hive" when no ones even capped any res points yet.

    Get over the Onos being powerful, seige cannons shooting thru wall and grenade launchers shooting round corners is what aliens have tp put up with.

    Mark
  • LestatLestat Join Date: 2002-11-16 Member: 8935Members
    Def I think you are forgetting the fact that the comm is a person on another computer yes. So are the other people playing They will not always follow orders to the letter defending a hive they actualy care about getting killed and will try and avoid it. Comm can only be as good as the marines he has to work with.

    The onos is not to powerfull if you kept getting paralyzed with one my advice would be perhaps not to wonder around alone?? or try not to make yourself such an easy target.

    Just get over the onos thing and play the game
  • TenakuTenaku Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6969Members
    Umm.... if an onos can paralyze you and nothing can be done about it because you are alone...

    1) wtf are you doing by yourself as a marine

    2) so, one lowly marine has an onos tied down, doing nothing else... and this is a problem?
  • ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
    Its easy as onos to take out some one with ha and a hmg so you cant compare em for rp, every time i play as aliens and 3rd hive is set up it takes no time at all to get 70 rps. i mean with 2 hives you are maxed at 66. if you been a fade for a while you will most likly have max 66 rp.
  • ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Tenaku+Nov 17 2002, 06:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tenaku @ Nov 17 2002, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Umm.... if an onos can paralyze you and nothing can be done about it because you are alone...

    1) wtf are you doing by yourself as a marine

    2) so, one lowly marine has an onos tied down, doing nothing else... and this is a problem?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lol, if you wernt alone a onos could so easily just paralyze all of the ppl you are with, you include. If the onos was at a lower level and shooting above somin there isnt much to hit from there as well, so he could just pin you all down easy and the rest of the alien team could destroy the main base.
  • The_FinchThe_Finch Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8498Members
    Paralyze is a necessity for Onos due to a lack of range attacks. All the other evolved aliens have them. Simply being able to flee from a 76 RP behemoth doesn't seem right.

    <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> + Jetpacking <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> = Fun and funny
  • Shadowdragon1Shadowdragon1 Join Date: 2002-11-16 Member: 8919Members
    -Marines

    Heavy Armour (HA - 25 RP) + Heavy Machine Gun (HA - 25) = 50 RP per Marine

    Plus 20 RP x 2 , 40 RP x 2 , 60 RP x 2 , 50 RP for research and weapons upgrades at a one-time cost of 290 RP

    Plus all marine buildings required (25 RP , 25 RP , 50 RP , 40 RP) = 140 RP

    Average Grand Total = 430 RP + 50 RP per marine

    -Aliens

    Hive + 2 Constructed Hives (80 RP x 2) = 160 RP

    3 Sensory (14 RP x 3) , 3 Defense (14 RP x 3) , 3 Movement (14 RP x 3) = 128 RP

    Onos (70 RP) + Adreniline , Regeneration & Cloaking (6 RP) = 76 RP per onos

    Average Grand Total = 288 RP + 76 per onos

    I have forgotten why I actually did this ... but it must do something to help this topic .
  • TyphonTyphon Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1899Members
    I'd have to say that calculating the cost of making 1 high tech unit by adding up all the pre-requisites + the cost of the unit is pretty dumb. Thats not the way tech or unit construction works in this game, so why would you try to prove a point with it?

    That said, WOAH i never realized paralyze was a ranged attack. I might actually use it now.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    i still find it fn amuzing that yalls nvr relized that paralyze was ranged (rtfm ;D)

    again, look, 2 HMG marines in a base can take out an onos, simply stand behind a structure and pund the oh, right dont cuss:)
  • Limited80Limited80 Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2046Members
    using your logic their will eventualy be 0 commanders.
  • MadjaiMadjai Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2986Members
    ha limited, youre funny.

    i had no idea paralysis was ranged. COOL!
  • ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
    OK why not give Onos a disadvantage and not letting him have a ranged attack then. I think that makes sense.
  • WheatevoWheatevo Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9074Members
    You can actually remain cloaked while paralyzing. Too d*mn funny to see the marine attempting to move, thinking he's lagging. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • KnukeKnuke Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8181Members
    lol, i also thought it was a close combat weapon, thanks for that info....dude when ever ive been onos ive been trying to paralise em, being like wtf... lol, how nice <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • StueStue Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6017Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--BobTheDog+Nov 17 2002, 05:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheDog @ Nov 17 2002, 05:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As an asside, the in-game help text says that the paralysis doesn't hurt your target, but I was in a game, and the death-text said that an onos killed a marine with paralysis, so DOES it hurt you, or does the game blame paralysis if you die from anything while paralyzed? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I killed someone today with <b>parasite</b> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
    And i thot it was only to "tag" the enemy for hive sight. Must be a bug.
    Well and logically parasites arent THAT good for health too anyway.
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