Don't Let The Pistols Name Fool You

AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
<div class="IPBDescription">its not really a "Secondary" weapon</div> this is just one prefrence I have when I play NS as a marine when I'm walking out and about on the map I run with my pistol out , not my LMG. why do I do this you ask? its really quite simple. the pistol has pin point accuracy which comes in handy for sniping off stray skulks and it does a ton of damage per bullet so thats good to if I surprise a skulk.

here's an example

marine with LMG see skulks.. shoots full clip from a distence.. the marine had bad aim so he runs out of ammo and switches to pistol... the skulk is now very close so the accurate pistol misses every time and marine dies

OR

marine see's skulk with pistol and shoots at him... hits the skulk 2 and whips out LMG when skulk gets close. the fast ROF and spray of the bullets makes it easier to kill the skulk up close.

granted I know that if you'r a really good shooter its easy to kill a skulk with an LMG. but if you kill a skulk with your pistol and a few bullets of lmg. its easier to fend off the infamous second buddy skulk that was hiding around the corner.

just a suggestion. run with your pistol out first.

Comments

  • mavericknmmavericknm Join Date: 2005-01-08 Member: 33953Members
    This is a sound tactic on certain maps like eclipse. However other maps are more tightly cramped. Every second counts and having to switch weapons can mean life or death.
  • intensityrisingintensityrising Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23148Members
    Yeah I often do that, but it doesn't work too well when the room is a tight coridor.
  • TrakenTraken Join Date: 2004-11-14 Member: 32797Members
    Why did I never think of that..... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Might actually help me. That would also work good when you have an HMG on hand because we know that thing can be a **** to hit a skulk with across the room due to spread.
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    edited February 2005
    There are only three situations that can happen in an encounter, so I think about it like this:

    -If I'm surprised at close range, then I want to have the weapon that will do best in close range combat, so I use my primary weapon (even the GL).
    -If I'm surprised at long range, then it isn't a big deal (aliens can't do good damage at long range, obviously), because the alien is usually moving too fast for me to pistol kill before he can get away, or is standing still, so I have time to pull out my pistol.
    -If I have time to prepare, then I will obviously use whatever weapon is best.

    So, I always run with my primary weapon out (although sometimes not with the GL).
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    you'd be amazed if you ran with your pistol out how you could take out aliens from long ranges after a little bit of practice. it just takes more cool calm aiming and less PANIC AHH LEFT CLICK MOUSE AND MOVE FRANTICALLY!!! once you get the hang of it. you'll be sniping off skulks from across the room easily

    but its true, in close quarters I would recomend using your Primary weapon over your pistol.
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 22 2005, 12:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 22 2005, 12:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you'd be amazed if you ran with your pistol out how you could take out aliens from long ranges after a little bit of practice. it just takes more cool calm aiming and less PANIC AHH LEFT CLICK MOUSE AND MOVE FRANTICALLY!!! once you get the hang of it. you'll be sniping off skulks from across the room easily

    but its true, in close quarters I would recomend using your Primary weapon over your pistol. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually, I do quite well with the pistol at long ranges, but I don't often find that the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    Pistol sniping works well because of lag, I realized. You can kill the skulk before their client registers that they are taking any damage, so they have absolutely no chance to run away.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-im lost+Feb 22 2005, 01:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Feb 22 2005, 01:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Pistol sniping works well because of lag, I realized. You can kill the skulk before their client registers that they are taking any damage, so they have absolutely no chance to run away. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    hmm... I usually have a ping well under 70 so I wouldn't know about this too bad.... I guess if you ambush a skulk and shoot really fast you might get enough shots in before he goes to run away
  • SDJasonSDJason Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16841Members
    I find using pistol first all the time is best... pistol till ur empty, chances are youve landed 3 shots... then KNIFE KNIFE and ull hit him once, dead skulk..... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Then whip out the lmg for the second one...

    /me remembers the time i wanted to **** off people on NSA who were whiny, so i went pistol only, told aliens what i was doing, and magically came off with a 20-2 record using pistol only (including several fades in large groups of people) **** the hell out of those poor aliens....
    havent been able to do that since
    ~Jason
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-SDJason+Feb 22 2005, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SDJason @ Feb 22 2005, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I find using pistol first all the time is best... pistol till ur empty, chances are youve landed 3 shots... then KNIFE KNIFE and ull hit him once, dead skulk..... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Then whip out the lmg for the second one...

    /me remembers the time i wanted to **** off people on NSA who were whiny, so i went pistol only, told aliens what i was doing, and magically came off with a 20-2 record using pistol only (including several fades in large groups of people) **** the hell out of those poor aliens....
    havent been able to do that since
    ~Jason <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yeah, the pistol is a great way to weaking skulks up for easy knife kills.
  • LofungLofung Join Date: 2004-08-21 Member: 30757Members
    PISTOL ROCKS
    as long as you aim.
  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    Yeah it's a good idea since a Pistol does (almost?) the same damage as an HMG. Think of it as a <b>really</b> compact HMG.

    Effectively speaking, pistol a skulk a few times, and they're already pretty short on health. 5 shots landed on a non-carapaced Skulk with a Lv0 pistol is a guaranteed kill.
  • WitsaWitsa Join Date: 2002-10-29 Member: 1700Members
    heh, every time I check this forum it looks as if the time has frozen here ;)
  • PRTePRTe Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21919Members
    what i usually do is use the primary weapon in tight areas and whip out my pistol once i am entering a long room
  • ChurchChurch Meatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2 Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11646Members, Constellation
    I thought pistol does 2 more damage than an HMG?
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Church+Feb 22 2005, 01:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Feb 22 2005, 01:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I thought pistol does 2 more damage than an HMG? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Pistol = 20 Damage per shot
    HMG = 20 Damage per shot
    LMG = 10 Damage per shot
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Feb 22 2005, 02:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Feb 22 2005, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Church+Feb 22 2005, 01:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Feb 22 2005, 01:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I thought pistol does 2 more damage than an HMG? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Pistol = 20 Damage per shot
    HMG = 20 Damage per shot
    LMG = 10 Damage per shot <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    so basically ... the HMG is like 25 pistols put together with a firing script built in... thats pretty much what you pay for when ya get one... but you do lose the pin point accuracy
  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members
    HMG = 12.5 pistols to lifeforms, 6.25 to structures, 2.5x reload speed (I believe, as it's 7 seconds), no where near as accurate, and 2x faster than the pistol rof <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    I've always shot at the skulks from afar and then pulled out the pistol / knife

    I guess I will flip the script and start mabbing out with the pistol out
  • intensityrisingintensityrising Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23148Members
    I never knew pistol does the same amount of dmg as a hmg.
  • SDJasonSDJason Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16841Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-intensityrising+Feb 23 2005, 08:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (intensityrising @ Feb 23 2005, 08:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I never knew pistol does the same amount of dmg as a hmg. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    now you know why pistol whipping is so effective

    ~Jason
  • j3stj3st Join Date: 2004-06-28 Member: 29602Members
    pistol whipping is actually a very hard thing to do - only easy is the skulk is travelling in a straight line towards you without jumping - which is nearly never the case.

    many times i've seen marines trying to pistol whip with a bhopping or leaping skulk. yes they fire VERY fast (most pub marines seem to get the idea of having to shoot really fast) but if they are against a celerity or leaping or bhopping skulk then i hardly see their shots hit the skulk.

    i was like that at first, shooting as fast as i could somewhere in the middle of the left-and-right direction a bhopping skulk usually goes through. i only hit the times when the skulk is in the middle and if i'm lucky, the skulk dies after my 10 shots are through.

    after observing other players, i realized shooting fast isn't the key at all. often taking your time to aim and making sure your rounds actually hit kills the skulk faster than u think it would. after getting confident, then u can try to shoot a bit faster and faster, but having the shots hit the skulk as a priority.

    i found training myself this way has made pistol whipping much more effective for me, rather than concentrating on getting the best pistol whipping script or shooting as fast as you can <i>then</i> trying to aim while doing so.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    edited February 2005
    aim is importent, so you need to find a good combination of speed and accuracy to out shoot those skulks
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    AvengerX, it's a simple enough concept, but it's easy for people to overlook that point. Insulting him really isn't appropriate.
  • j3stj3st Join Date: 2004-06-28 Member: 29602Members
    well if u read my post carefully, i said that i notice when people try to pistol whip, they concentrate on shooting fast rather than to aim at the skulk, even though they are constantly changing directions.

    and taking it slower and aiming is more effective, and a better way of training yourself.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    thats true, but the people don't actually concetrate on shooting fast, they just start using their mousewheel or pistol fast shoot script to do the trick... but I agree people waste too many bullets sending flying out around the skulk
  • d0omied0omie Join Date: 2003-02-23 Member: 13877Members
    I've found the pistol is most effective if you leap out the way of the skulk, and get into the circle-chasing situation (you know what I mean?) Then he basically stays in the same part of your screen and its easy to finish him off with a pistol.

    Although if you can nab him from long range thats better, but for when you are surprised!

    Pistol kills much quicker than the LMG if you hit.
  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    I allmost allways start to panic when the thing is in my feets(you know the bite1 bloke?) I Don`t actually play some much anymore but I know that really tracking the skulk down and shooting him in wannabe-zèn calm is the way to be pro.
  • homicidehomicide Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22451Members
    edited March 2005
    The blind agreement and acceptance of this idea is disgusting. Running around with your pistol out is a HORRIBLE idea. There are very few situations when the pistol should be pulled out before seeing a skulk (one example mite be the long hallway of topo). Other than that it is simply a bad marine habit.

    Yes, pistols are better at extreme ranges....But the fact is skulks dont come running at marines from across hallways. Granted you will get a few rapid pistol kills from skulks attempting to parasite, but even half way decent skulks can fire 1 parasite before the marine can get off 4 pistol rounds. The pistol can also be rather deadly to slow purched lerks from a distance.

    If a skulk was ever retarded enough to run at a marine from a distance the skulk is going to bhop at high speeds and close the gap in a few seconds. The 'extreme pistol range' (where the pistol is more effective than the LMG) is almost instantly degrated There is then a switch time penalty to pull out your lmg. And I can insure you, killing a fast moving distant skulk with a pistol is far from an easy kill.

    If you get ambushed with your pistol out you are at a HUGE disadvantage over the lmg.


    Ignore the original advice in this thread.


    Why are people comparing the pistol to the HMG? They are nothing alike.
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