Elementry Kids Forced To Wear Id Tags

reasareasa Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
edited February 2005 in Discussions
<div class="IPBDescription">In CA no less</div> <a href='http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000017031341/' target='_blank'>http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000017031341/</a>

I suppose I'm not the only one who finds this disturbing...

California seems to be the breeding ground for the absurd in this country and I can only hope it stays there.

Unfortunately I could see this system catching on its just a bit too much like 1984 for my tastes, not to mention my hate for the public school system.

What do you guys think?
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  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    Let's hope the ACLU nails em on this one! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ThE_HeRoThE_HeRo Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12723Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I believe <b>junior high</b> students want to be stylish<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Very misleading title.
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    edited February 2005
    What do you guys think of ID cards in general? Not just for children, but everyone? Intolerable violation of freedom, or neccessary precation in this day and age?
  • reasareasa Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-ThE HeRo+Feb 23 2005, 04:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ThE HeRo @ Feb 23 2005, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Very misleading title. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Elementary School officials in Sutter, a rural farming community,<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Some elementary schools go up to the 8th grade, perhaps that’s the confusion?
  • ThE_HeRoThE_HeRo Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12723Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Feb 23 2005, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Feb 23 2005, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What do you guys think of ID cards in general? Not just for children, but everyone? Intolerable violation of freedom, or neccessary precation in this day and age? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, back when I was a freshman in HS, we had to wear ID cards. I hated it because I always forgot mine at home, so I racked up probably around 30 hours of dentention from it. Every violation is an instant 2 hours, no matter your excuse, and it was 10 bucks to get a new one. 10 bucks for a plastic card.

    I got in a fight and recieved 2 hours detention and a stern warning from a cop, later that year.
  • SpoogeSpooge Thunderbolt missile in your cheerios Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 67Members
    Strangely, my work tested a prototype of this system about a year and a half ago. They brought it in as a tool to improve facilities management. The devices we wore tracked our movement through the building and identified flow patterns, work "hot spots" and "cold spots", and generated a daily report. In our case, however, we were only tracked as dots on a map (or at least that's what they told us) and supposedly no history of our movements was kept other than the visual reports.

    It lasted about a month. They soon found out that people would leave them at their desk or "lose" them way too often.

    Besides the invasion of privacy issues, unless these things are implanted into each student (I sincerely hope that's never considered an option) there's no way of verifying the accuracy of the devices.

    It does make me wonder though, what the %#!@ is going on in our schools that the teachers and administrators can't keep track of their students?
  • ThE_HeRoThE_HeRo Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12723Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-reasa+Feb 23 2005, 04:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Feb 23 2005, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ThE HeRo+Feb 23 2005, 04:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ThE HeRo @ Feb 23 2005, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Very misleading title. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Elementary School officials in Sutter, a rural farming community,<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Some elementary schools go up to the 8th grade, perhaps that’s the confusion? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Regardless, Eighth grade students hardly look like full-grown adults, and I doubt little 4th grade Johnny has the mental capacity to carry out another Columbine.
  • Pepe_MuffassaPepe_Muffassa Join Date: 2003-01-17 Member: 12401Members
    OH my goodness, ID Tags! -

    When does the hurting... stop.

    I mean, think of all the poor british kids wearing Uniforms Ohh, the Humanity!

    Forget about our own college campuses where everyone has an ID! I mean, our identity is at stake here - Fight the Power! How dare anyone even pretend to want to know my name! I mean, that is why kids invent nick-names, right? - its all about staying out of the system!

    Crap, I think I broke the anti-sarcasm law.
  • reasareasa Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
    Schools are already far to regulated as far as scheduling is concerned...I'm fairly certain if a bell were to ring right now I would start to get up and look for my books.

    I may have gone crazy in school without my few trips to the washroom a day, during which I would take a nice long walk around the building depending on the class. The last thing anyone needs is some fat faced principle keep track of everyone’s movements and yelling at people for "taking the long way" or "staying the lav for to long" it would just make school even more soul crushing then it already is.

    It doesn’t take very long to figure out which kids are going to be the ones skipping classes and doing other stupid ****. Not only is this an invasion of privacy and a destruction of civil rights but it also gives teachers an excuse to be lazy.
  • NineteenNineteen Join Date: 2003-12-23 Member: 24701Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-reasa+Feb 23 2005, 04:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Feb 23 2005, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I may have gone crazy in school without my few trips to the washroom a day, during which I would take a nice long walk around the building depending on the class. The last thing anyone needs is some fat faced principle keep track of everyone’s movements and yelling at people for "taking the long way" or "staying the lav for to long" it would just make school even more soul crushing then it already is. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    couldn't have said it any better
  • LegatLegat Join Date: 2003-07-02 Member: 17868Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I could see this system catching on its just a bit too much like 1984 for my tastes<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    well, there seems to be an issue with austrian leadership persons in charge of foreign countries, if you can grasp my little pun <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    it'd be kinda like in Xenogears , or Enders game... where all the kids had transmitters and what not so someone was allways watching.... kinda scary

    I think kids should be given cool unfiforms like in FFVIII... and get swords and stuff... that'd be cool, course the uniforms would only be used for ceremonial purposes, every day school would be carried out in normal clothes.... execpt you could keep your sword on ya... that'd be cool
  • ArcadiusArcadius Join Date: 2003-04-14 Member: 15491Members
    My high school required us to wear IDs on laniards (sp?) around our necks. It was annoying at first and some people did complain about it, but overall it likely did more good than harm. We had problems with people who were not students coming on campus and starting fights and vandalising property. When you could tell in a glance if someone belonged at school or not, most of those problems ended. I'm in favor of IDs at schools to be quite frank. It helped my school.
  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    My college has to have ID's to swipe the doors, otherwise you can't get in :O. ID's really don't need to be in junior schools.. I mean, jeez. If someone turns up in a big black trenchcoat, looking about 35 with a chisled jaw and dark glasses, you know he's not supposed to be there.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 23 2005, 04:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 23 2005, 04:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think kids should be given cool unfiforms like in FFVIII... and get swords and stuff... that'd be cool, course the uniforms would only be used for ceremonial purposes, every day school would be carried out in normal clothes.... execpt you could keep your sword on ya... that'd be cool <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Don't....say....anything......


    So, about those ID tags. Pretty scary eh? Dodging teachers in the halls is an art form in my school; leave it be.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Feb 23 2005, 06:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Feb 23 2005, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 23 2005, 04:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 23 2005, 04:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think kids should be given cool unfiforms like in FFVIII... and get swords and stuff... that'd be cool, course the uniforms would only be used for ceremonial purposes, every day school would be carried out in normal clothes.... execpt you could keep your sword on ya... that'd be cool <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Don't....say....anything......


    So, about those ID tags. Pretty scary eh? Dodging teachers in the halls is an art form in my school; leave it be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    your just jealous cuz you didn't think up the brialliant sword idea first... I mean for reals. would you fight a kid if there was a chance of getting your armed hacked off? I know sure as heck I wouldn't...... well... not over a small thing at least, perhaps dueling over the honor of my fair girlfriend or something... but nothing petty
  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 23 2005, 04:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 23 2005, 04:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think kids should be given cool unfiforms like in FFVIII... and get swords and stuff... that'd be cool, course the uniforms would only be used for ceremonial purposes, every day school would be carried out in normal clothes.... execpt you could keep your sword on ya... that'd be cool <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    If that happened I'd be hacking off everyone's head right off the bat. Seriously.

    The ID system...bleh. It's really bad. I'm just thankful it isn't in our school yet. I've seen schools where students wear IDs, and as reasa has said, it gives the teachers an excuse to be lazy. Whenever they spot a student without an ID = detention.

    Of course, I have a different problem; the principal walks around <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    I'm just thankful that when it's recess and/or, teachers and students in our school mingle just fine. Apart from a few teachers....
  • amnesiacamnesiac Join Date: 2004-11-03 Member: 32619Members
    I take it <b>most</b> of you went to school in North America? The reason I'm saying this is because for the most part in places like the UK, systems like that are mandatory. I think most of you are just going against the grain by bringing up civil rights and all that; I mean, do you know for sure that it violates civil rights? even so, it's just an ID tag, nothing to get your panties in a twist over.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-amnesiac+Feb 24 2005, 04:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (amnesiac @ Feb 24 2005, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I take it <b>most</b> of you went to school in North America? The reason I'm saying this is because for the most part in places like the UK, systems like that are mandatory. I think most of you are just going against the grain by bringing up civil rights and all that; I mean, do you know for sure that it violates civil rights? even so, it's just an ID tag, nothing to get your panties in a twist over. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wouldn't call it going against the grain if nearly all of the people who've gone to school in North America see this as a violation of civil rights. This ID system in itself is probably not that large a threat, but if I had to wear an ID tag all the time that told the principal where I was, I would be reminded every day of some 1984 uber-dictatorship keeping tabs on its citizens. Basically, it's just not something that sits well with most people here. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • amnesiacamnesiac Join Date: 2004-11-03 Member: 32619Members
    I understand that completly. That's just another difference in culture & apperance/reality. Nevertheless, relating wearing school ID tags to the opression illustrated in 1984 or the series of novels by Orson Scott Card is a little much if you ask me.
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-amnesiac+Feb 24 2005, 04:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (amnesiac @ Feb 24 2005, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I take it <b>most</b> of you went to school in North America? The reason I'm saying this is because for the most part in places like the UK, systems like that are mandatory. I think most of you are just going against the grain by bringing up civil rights and all that; I mean, do you know for sure that it violates civil rights? even so, it's just an ID tag, nothing to get your panties in a twist over. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Really? I've never seen a school here which had ID tags implemented. My university does, yeah, but not normal schools (AFAIK).
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-amnesiac+Feb 24 2005, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (amnesiac @ Feb 24 2005, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I understand that completly. That's just another difference in culture & apperance/reality. Nevertheless, relating wearing school ID tags to the opression illustrated in 1984 or the series of novels by Orson Scott Card is a little much if you ask me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Meh, most fears are irrational. The fact that it makes no sense that such an ID tag would be rather uncomfortable doesn't reduce the fact that it <u>will</u> be uncomfortable.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    edited February 2005
    As I understand it (can't get to the link, could be thinking of a different story), the ID carrying isn't the problem, its that they track you using it. At the end of the day they have a little log showing where you were at any given time of day. Thats the problem.

    Of course, I don't see how such a system could last very long, if there is one thing you learn in school its how to cheat the system. There will be that guy who figures out how to fool the system into thinking hes somebody else, or two different people, or in one place when hes really in annother. He would help others do the same (or sell his services), it would be nigh useless.
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    Dont like it at all. Amnesiac, in the Uk school system, you mean an ID tag that tracks you and send your position ?
  • StarStarGrizzlyStarStarGrizzly Join Date: 2004-02-06 Member: 26139Members
    My high school has ID tags. The rule is have them hanging from your neck above your waist and in plain view. If you're caught without one you get ISS for the whole day. In the morning before school you can get a "temperary" Id that will last you the day. But that cost you 50 cents. Its a scam cause they have AT LEAST 20 kids paying 50 cents a day. AT LEAST. Its a scam.

    They dont really inforce the rules though. Well they do but only on freshmen or the 9th graders. It makes no sense. As well as the rule to have our shirts tucked into our pants. All these rules are supposed to be for our protection, but how is an ID tag going to save you from some guy carrying a weapon. You dont have an ID tag you're not a student! Wow I couldnt tell from the shot gun he just blasted that jock with.

    This brings up the point, what if a student went to first period wearing his id tag. 2 minutes into class he pull out a gun and starts shooting people. How does the ID badge help, its just a pain for both students and teachers.
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    Our ID cards at Uni are just used as proof of identity (when handing in work) and to register attendence (bar code scanner type dealie at the entrances). I don't see much point in tracking kids around school.
  • AntrelAntrel Join Date: 2005-02-11 Member: 40737Members
    I find it humorous that most the people actually complaining about it are those who haven't attended a school in more than a decade. I find their knowledge of how the school systems are broken and should work rather intrigueing.
  • AntrelAntrel Join Date: 2005-02-11 Member: 40737Members
    I find it humorous that most the people actually complaining about it are those who haven't attended a school in more than a decade. I find their knowledge of how the school systems are broken and should work rather intrigueing.
  • amnesiacamnesiac Join Date: 2004-11-03 Member: 32619Members
    My apologies. I overlooked the fact that these ID's are in someway tracking devices. Either way though, it was mentioned there was a issue of vandalism and other things right? Maybe it's a really big school I mean...it <b>is</b> California.
  • Pepe_MuffassaPepe_Muffassa Join Date: 2003-01-17 Member: 12401Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-StarStarGrizzly+Feb 24 2005, 05:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (StarStarGrizzly @ Feb 24 2005, 05:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This brings up the point, what if a student went to first period wearing his id tag. 2 minutes into class he pull out a gun and starts shooting people. How does the ID badge help, its just a pain for both students and teachers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It <i>might</i> help if the ID tags were bullet proof <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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