<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Feb 24 2005, 08:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Feb 24 2005, 08:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Spooge+Feb 23 2005, 04:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spooge @ Feb 23 2005, 04:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Besides the invasion of privacy issues <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What privacy? You're talking about a public facility. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You still have privacy, even if you're in a public facility. Just because your locker (for example) isn't protected by the law, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be considered private.
Frankly, until I've seen a study that says that these ID cards are useful, I will think that they shouldn't be in our schools.
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Feb 24 2005, 10:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Feb 24 2005, 10:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Feb 24 2005, 08:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Feb 24 2005, 08:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Spooge+Feb 23 2005, 04:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spooge @ Feb 23 2005, 04:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Besides the invasion of privacy issues <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What privacy? You're talking about a public facility. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You still have privacy, even if you're in a public facility. Just because your locker (for example) isn't protected by the law, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be considered private. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not <i>your</i> locker, however. It's the school's locker, they just allow you to store things in it. No part of the building belongs to you. This tag can't see in to any bags or anything you put in your pockets. Those are things that do belong to you and that is the only privacy you should have in a school.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Frankly, until I've seen a study that says that these ID cards are useful, I will think that they shouldn't be in our schools.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What better way to see if they're useful than to actually try them? Besides, there are all kinds of places where you're required to have ID cards, many jobs.
I think that they will be useful. For example: Someone sets fire to the bathroom or something. It's a lot easier to round up suspects if you can check who was in the area at the time that the bathroom was set on fire.
It'll also help prevent students from skipping classes, leaving early, going in to unauthorized areas, etc... because they can send someone directly to the scene, rather than having teachers wandering around, hoping to catch someone at the right time.
Besides, I don't see how it'll affect much. Someone should always know where the students are ANYWAY, this just makes their job a little easier. If you went in to a school, asked "Where's my kid?" and nobody knew, how would you feel?
It'll also do a good job of keeping people who aren't supposed to be there out. Especially if you're required to scan at the entrance to get inside. (There are many jobs that do this, it's nothing new.) Personally, if I were going to do it, I would have a door at the entrance to every hallway and room. You would have to scan your ID tag at the door to get inside. It would keep logs of the students' movements, using ID numbers instead of names. (So you couldn't track a student's movement around the building if you don't have the access to read the name list. You'd have to match up his ID number to his name.) This could help kids get to the right classroom, too. If you scan your tag and the door doesn't open, you're at the wrong class.
[EDIT:] <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My high school has ID tags. The rule is have them hanging from your neck above your waist and in plain view. If you're caught without one you get ISS for the whole day. In the morning before school you can get a "temperary" Id that will last you the day. But that cost you 50 cents. Its a scam cause they have AT LEAST 20 kids paying 50 cents a day. AT LEAST. Its a scam.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not a scam. It costs MONEY to make these ID tags and that is your punishment for forgetting it. It's your <i>own</i> fault if you don't have your ID. If you don't want to pay the fee for a temporary ID, don't lose yours. Clip it to your backpack or something when you're not wearing it so that you always have it. Do you forget/lose your glasses? It's the same thing.
The problem with these ID cards, is that you're treating kids as criminals. You're assuming that they will do bad things.
In the public middle school that I went to, it felt like I was locked into a minimum-security prison. There was no freedom to do anything, or go anywhere. People were unhappy and unruly.
In the private high school that I went to, there were almost no boundaries. A student could go anywhere, at any time. If they didn't attend class, then they would have to suffer the consequences. People were a lot better behaved and a lot happier, because they were granted freedom.
In my opinion, a lot of the problems with underperforming schools, is that people see them like prisons. Kids have to be in room X from time Y to time Z. If they are anywhere else, they get detention. The focus is on discipline and order, not education.
Many of the people in the thread have given their experience with ID cards. They didn't appear to help anything, from what I can get from their anecdotes.
I dont see how wearing an ID tag that tracks your movements will help to identify outsiders. The job can be done far more easily through the use of school uniforms. For attendance? Nothing like the good old roll call for that.
My school is great. There are no uniforms or ID tags and the only security cameras are in the cafeterias and outside. If you have a small piece of pink paper to wave around you can do what you want, because the hall monitors don't really care.
The only bad part is, there's no damn cover in the halls. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> That's why school shootings happen, some disturbed kid thinks "Huh, there're no crates or anything for them to hide behind..."
A better defense against school shootings would be to add invulernable future crates to the hallways to hide behind and wooden crates containing MP5s.
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Feb 27 2005, 03:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Feb 27 2005, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My school is great. There are no uniforms or ID tags and the only security cameras are in the cafeterias and outside. If you have a small piece of pink paper to wave around you can do what you want, because the hall monitors don't really care.
The only bad part is, there's no damn cover in the halls. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> That's why school shootings happen, some disturbed kid thinks "Huh, there're no crates or anything for them to hide behind..."
A better defense against school shootings would be to add invulernable future crates to the hallways to hide behind and wooden crates containing MP5s. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yes CS_Hallway will be the new overplayed map in life.
the only way I'd wear a uniform to school is if I got a cool sword... thats the only way.
and whats this with privacy concerns? if you don't want to go to public school go to home school. and BAM problem solved.
uncle sam is just trying to protect its kids. and thats good, people just freak out when someone is watching them... which is somewhat understanable.
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Well I goto a private school, we get in trouble for all sorts of things that seem really insignificant like staying in the washroom for too long when your legitamately there for a reason.... (ie: where I got suspended for having diaharea and staying in the can for 'too long'). If they instituted a ID system at my school (they already are starting on one), things would get to nazi regimé with regulations and rules and such. We already have barcodes for sign in/out for the day, and for attendance, but having scanners at all the doors seems like it is truely a prison (ie: no scan no pee)...
About the privacy thing, it is a public facility, so they do have the right to go through your belongings, but they really don't have a right to confiscate anything ordinary (eg: cell phone, books, etc), which has happened in my school...
Uh.. My high school has uniforms, and ID numbers sewn on them. In fact, my elementary school has uniforms, and ID numbers sewn on them. Actually, you know what, every single school in my country has uniforms, and the ID numbers sewn above the shirt pocket.
I wouldn't mind wearing a nametag, but I really wouldn't be happy with something tracking my movements. It does depend on the system. For example, if it's so that the school's computer can alert the office if I leave the campus during school hours, I can understand. If it's unlawful for me to leave the school during school hours without permission (I believe it is, though I'm not sure) then using tags to help enforce that law makes sense (even so, people can just drop the tags before they go). So long as you don't leave the campus, no one should be able to know where you are. If it allows just anyone in the administration to watch your day-to-day movements, then it becomes a civil rights issue (they don't need to know when I'm taking a crap or eating lunch, and quite frankly I don't want them to know).
Well this is really not quite right. I mean, I can see it being useful in some senses, but it seems like a major invasion of privacy. The ACLU is going to come to the rescue on this one for sure. I can see it being useful by keeping track of kids in case they wander away from school, especially for some of the mentally retarded students who do not know better and may wander off campus and get hurt. Although, if someone forced me to wear a RFID tag into the bathroom, I would take it off and throw it into the urnal. But thats just me. This is a tough one. Good and bad on both sides.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal." - Mr King<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It starts like this. Then they slowly take away more liberties with silly scare tactics (hey it prevents vandalism!). There is absulotely no reasen to appreciate forcing kids to wear this ****. It worked before this stuff was invented and it should work in the future. If there is a few more damaged bathrooms in schools I would happily accept this before having my kids tracked. If people do accept this **** in 20-50 years the only free people will be a few terrorists hiding in caves
<!--QuoteBegin-kittycat+Mar 4 2005, 08:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kittycat @ Mar 4 2005, 08:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> they say US = land of the free <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, and then they go back to supporting the FCC censoring half of a breast on TV because OMGZ THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Mar 4 2005, 10:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Mar 4 2005, 10:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kittycat+Mar 4 2005, 08:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kittycat @ Mar 4 2005, 08:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> they say US = land of the free <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, and then they go back to supporting the FCC censoring half of a breast on TV because OMGZ THINK OF THE CHILDREN. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The FCC censors the public airwaves because they are a public resource. There is only so much bandwidth for television. I think they are justified in doing this.
I think whoever organizes such crappy half time shows, is a moron. They suck. I think anyone who lets their young children watch such crappy half time shows, and complained about that incident, is a moron. Even if that incident didn't happen, the half time shows are still sexually charged (come on, Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake? any show with them would be around PG-13, and if your children are too young to watch PG-13 shows, then change the channel during half time). I don't think the FCC should fine the network so heavily, because it was an accident that no one had control over. It also isn't a big deal. It won't scar the minds of any young child who saw it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Spooge+Feb 23 2005, 04:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spooge @ Feb 23 2005, 04:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It does make me wonder though, what the %#!@ is going on in our schools that the teachers and administrators can't keep track of their students? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As a recent High school graduate....
Kids dont want to be kept track of, a system like this will not work, just like every previous system has not worked...
I go to school in NY, arguably one of the strictest school systems in the world....
-You must have a parent note, verified by a phone call home to your hosue, to leave, right up till age 18
-You must sign out
-Hall Monitors up the wazoo
-cameras all over
-permits to drive to school (unregistered cars towed)
-detention for everything
-Computer generated tardy reports for every period
-cannot leave school grounds during school
-all doors locked during/after school hours
-cant leave classroom without presigned passes, ect
Meh, teachers say ill let you out the side, go get me some Mickey D's
Ask them to mark u as there, tell them what ur doing and they will mark u there....
Hall monitors dont care, unless they dont like you....
Students know the school better than the faculty (hiding in a janitor closet as my principal goes running by looking for us)
Teachers will vouch for ppl they dont know (see a monitor, duck into ANY random room, and the teacher will go "he's in my class")
Couldnt go out to lunch, go out anyways, and then come back in thru a side door to a technology or english room (emergency exits... they always let you in cuz they diddnt care)
Forgot your ID card, doesent matter, people will cover for you
Senior? Well **** that, tell the principal to shove it ( i did many times) he cant do anything.......(and wont)
Point is, no one likes it, so you just get by... the rules arent effective, even if they are in place...... You cannot totally control those who do not want to be controlled
Side Note: I was a straight A student, only had detention 3 times throughout school, was considered a "model" student.... SO i wasnt a thug, this is just how it was in my school of 1200, cuz we hated the insane restrictions....
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Mar 4 2005, 07:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Mar 4 2005, 07:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think whoever organizes such crappy half time shows, is a moron. They suck. I think anyone who lets their young children watch such crappy half time shows, and complained about that incident, is a moron. Even if that incident didn't happen, the half time shows are still sexually charged (come on, Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake? any show with them would be around PG-13, and if your children are too young to watch PG-13 shows, then change the channel during half time). I don't think the FCC should fine the network so heavily, because it was an accident that no one had control over. It also isn't a big deal. It won't scar the minds of any young child who saw it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Amen, its all just political hype. Honestly if someones life was traumafied by an incident like that, they need to be traumatized and die. Humans have lived for thousands of years without politics, I mean in 3rd world countries its not like the children dont see unclothed women all the time or anything, right? the little 3rd world country kids are just fine for the most part(minus the lack of education and other technological advances). You could blabber on all day about how this is right and that is right, but in the end none of it really matters, we are still creatures, its not like were a specialized for perfection species. people that complain about crap like that do it for personal gain, if that means attention or advertising or sympathy(mayhap money in some cases).
I have never been able to stand "tattle-tales"(for a more laymens term). the people who find the need to whine about everything need to move into there own little city and live and die there with all the other complainers(export the poor children though, hate for the little tykes to get such bad attitudes/morals/whateveryouwanacallit from their parents).
I probebly didnt explain this to its 100% but I dont got anymore time.
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In my high school we have ID's, however: <ul><li>They arent used for "tracking" us</li><li>Cant get into lunch room without them.</li><li>Cant get a hall pass without em </li><li>Camera's everywhere</li><li>Cant drive to school without one (guard at the gate)</li></ul>
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<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 24 2005, 08:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 24 2005, 08:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is BS, if this starts happening wide spread I think its time to arm ourselves <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> we do have a right to overthrow a corrupt governemnt... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-That Annoying Kid+Mar 5 2005, 02:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (That Annoying Kid @ Mar 5 2005, 02:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 24 2005, 08:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 24 2005, 08:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is BS, if this starts happening wide spread I think its time to arm ourselves <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> we do have a right to overthrow a corrupt governemnt... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Guns work so much better than voting.
If this happens in your community and you don't like it, vote for a different school board, run for school board, work for a school board member's compaign, etc.
RFID tags aren't anything new. I'm sure you have several in your home right now, attached to various things you recently bought. I believe they add about 10 cents to the cost of whatever they are attached to.
Now, I can't be sure why they would be willing to spend all that money on this. I don't think the tag's battery even lasts a year, not to mention the cost of the tracking equipment, as they don't have infinite range either. Also, we are talking about an elementary school, where the kids are probably a bit better behaved than a high school.
However, if you really want to scare the parents, they should know that RFID tags allow ANYONE to track the students. I'm sure it allows pedophiles to easily track specific victims, particularly to establish where they will be at what time. They can even have equipment in multiple locations to make it easier to locate their favorite target.
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What privacy? You're talking about a public facility.
What privacy? You're talking about a public facility. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You still have privacy, even if you're in a public facility. Just because your locker (for example) isn't protected by the law, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be considered private.
Frankly, until I've seen a study that says that these ID cards are useful, I will think that they shouldn't be in our schools.
What privacy? You're talking about a public facility. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You still have privacy, even if you're in a public facility. Just because your locker (for example) isn't protected by the law, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be considered private. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's not <i>your</i> locker, however. It's the school's locker, they just allow you to store things in it. No part of the building belongs to you. This tag can't see in to any bags or anything you put in your pockets. Those are things that do belong to you and that is the only privacy you should have in a school.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Frankly, until I've seen a study that says that these ID cards are useful, I will think that they shouldn't be in our schools.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What better way to see if they're useful than to actually try them? Besides, there are all kinds of places where you're required to have ID cards, many jobs.
I think that they will be useful. For example: Someone sets fire to the bathroom or something. It's a lot easier to round up suspects if you can check who was in the area at the time that the bathroom was set on fire.
It'll also help prevent students from skipping classes, leaving early, going in to unauthorized areas, etc... because they can send someone directly to the scene, rather than having teachers wandering around, hoping to catch someone at the right time.
Besides, I don't see how it'll affect much. Someone should always know where the students are ANYWAY, this just makes their job a little easier. If you went in to a school, asked "Where's my kid?" and nobody knew, how would you feel?
It'll also do a good job of keeping people who aren't supposed to be there out. Especially if you're required to scan at the entrance to get inside. (There are many jobs that do this, it's nothing new.) Personally, if I were going to do it, I would have a door at the entrance to every hallway and room. You would have to scan your ID tag at the door to get inside. It would keep logs of the students' movements, using ID numbers instead of names. (So you couldn't track a student's movement around the building if you don't have the access to read the name list. You'd have to match up his ID number to his name.) This could help kids get to the right classroom, too. If you scan your tag and the door doesn't open, you're at the wrong class.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My high school has ID tags. The rule is have them hanging from your neck above your waist and in plain view. If you're caught without one you get ISS for the whole day. In the morning before school you can get a "temperary" Id that will last you the day. But that cost you 50 cents. Its a scam cause they have AT LEAST 20 kids paying 50 cents a day. AT LEAST. Its a scam.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's not a scam. It costs MONEY to make these ID tags and that is your punishment for forgetting it. It's your <i>own</i> fault if you don't have your ID. If you don't want to pay the fee for a temporary ID, don't lose yours. Clip it to your backpack or something when you're not wearing it so that you always have it. Do you forget/lose your glasses? It's the same thing.
In the public middle school that I went to, it felt like I was locked into a minimum-security prison. There was no freedom to do anything, or go anywhere. People were unhappy and unruly.
In the private high school that I went to, there were almost no boundaries. A student could go anywhere, at any time. If they didn't attend class, then they would have to suffer the consequences. People were a lot better behaved and a lot happier, because they were granted freedom.
In my opinion, a lot of the problems with underperforming schools, is that people see them like prisons. Kids have to be in room X from time Y to time Z. If they are anywhere else, they get detention. The focus is on discipline and order, not education.
Many of the people in the thread have given their experience with ID cards. They didn't appear to help anything, from what I can get from their anecdotes.
Whats next? Having a number tattoed on your arm?
The only bad part is, there's no damn cover in the halls. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> That's why school shootings happen, some disturbed kid thinks "Huh, there're no crates or anything for them to hide behind..."
A better defense against school shootings would be to add invulernable future crates to the hallways to hide behind and wooden crates containing MP5s.
The only bad part is, there's no damn cover in the halls. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> That's why school shootings happen, some disturbed kid thinks "Huh, there're no crates or anything for them to hide behind..."
A better defense against school shootings would be to add invulernable future crates to the hallways to hide behind and wooden crates containing MP5s. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes CS_Hallway will be the new overplayed map in life.
the only way I'd wear a uniform to school is if I got a cool sword... thats the only way.
and whats this with privacy concerns? if you don't want to go to public school go to home school. and BAM problem solved.
uncle sam is just trying to protect its kids. and thats good, people just freak out when someone is watching them... which is somewhat understanable.
About the privacy thing, it is a public facility, so they do have the right to go through your belongings, but they really don't have a right to confiscate anything ordinary (eg: cell phone, books, etc), which has happened in my school...
My high school has uniforms, and ID numbers sewn on them.
In fact, my elementary school has uniforms, and ID numbers sewn on them.
Actually, you know what, every single school in my country has uniforms, and the ID numbers sewn above the shirt pocket.
/don't see what's the big deal.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal." - Mr King<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It starts like this. Then they slowly take away more liberties with silly scare tactics (hey it prevents vandalism!). There is absulotely no reasen to appreciate forcing kids to wear this ****. It worked before this stuff was invented and it should work in the future. If there is a few more damaged bathrooms in schools I would happily accept this before having my kids tracked. If people do accept this **** in 20-50 years the only free people will be a few terrorists hiding in caves
Yeah, and then they go back to supporting the FCC censoring half of a breast on TV because OMGZ THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
Yeah, and then they go back to supporting the FCC censoring half of a breast on TV because OMGZ THINK OF THE CHILDREN. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The FCC censors the public airwaves because they are a public resource. There is only so much bandwidth for television. I think they are justified in doing this.
I think whoever organizes such crappy half time shows, is a moron. They suck.
I think anyone who lets their young children watch such crappy half time shows, and complained about that incident, is a moron. Even if that incident didn't happen, the half time shows are still sexually charged (come on, Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake? any show with them would be around PG-13, and if your children are too young to watch PG-13 shows, then change the channel during half time).
I don't think the FCC should fine the network so heavily, because it was an accident that no one had control over. It also isn't a big deal. It won't scar the minds of any young child who saw it.
It does make me wonder though, what the %#!@ is going on in our schools that the teachers and administrators can't keep track of their students? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
As a recent High school graduate....
Kids dont want to be kept track of, a system like this will not work, just like every previous system has not worked...
I go to school in NY, arguably one of the strictest school systems in the world....
-You must have a parent note, verified by a phone call home to your hosue, to leave, right up till age 18
-You must sign out
-Hall Monitors up the wazoo
-cameras all over
-permits to drive to school (unregistered cars towed)
-detention for everything
-Computer generated tardy reports for every period
-cannot leave school grounds during school
-all doors locked during/after school hours
-cant leave classroom without presigned passes, ect
Meh, teachers say ill let you out the side, go get me some Mickey D's
Ask them to mark u as there, tell them what ur doing and they will mark u there....
Hall monitors dont care, unless they dont like you....
Students know the school better than the faculty (hiding in a janitor closet as my principal goes running by looking for us)
Teachers will vouch for ppl they dont know (see a monitor, duck into ANY random room, and the teacher will go "he's in my class")
Couldnt go out to lunch, go out anyways, and then come back in thru a side door to a technology or english room (emergency exits... they always let you in cuz they diddnt care)
Forgot your ID card, doesent matter, people will cover for you
Senior? Well **** that, tell the principal to shove it ( i did many times) he cant do anything.......(and wont)
Point is, no one likes it, so you just get by... the rules arent effective, even if they are in place...... You cannot totally control those who do not want to be controlled
Side Note: I was a straight A student, only had detention 3 times throughout school, was considered a "model" student.... SO i wasnt a thug, this is just how it was in my school of 1200, cuz we hated the insane restrictions....
I think anyone who lets their young children watch such crappy half time shows, and complained about that incident, is a moron. Even if that incident didn't happen, the half time shows are still sexually charged (come on, Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake? any show with them would be around PG-13, and if your children are too young to watch PG-13 shows, then change the channel during half time).
I don't think the FCC should fine the network so heavily, because it was an accident that no one had control over. It also isn't a big deal. It won't scar the minds of any young child who saw it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Amen, its all just political hype. Honestly if someones life was traumafied by an incident like that, they need to be traumatized and die. Humans have lived for thousands of years without politics, I mean in 3rd world countries its not like the children dont see unclothed women all the time or anything, right? the little 3rd world country kids are just fine for the most part(minus the lack of education and other technological advances). You could blabber on all day about how this is right and that is right, but in the end none of it really matters, we are still creatures, its not like were a specialized for perfection species. people that complain about crap like that do it for personal gain, if that means attention or advertising or sympathy(mayhap money in some cases).
I have never been able to stand "tattle-tales"(for a more laymens term). the people who find the need to whine about everything need to move into there own little city and live and die there with all the other complainers(export the poor children though, hate for the little tykes to get such bad attitudes/morals/whateveryouwanacallit from their parents).
I probebly didnt explain this to its 100% but I dont got anymore time.
<ul><li>They arent used for "tracking" us</li><li>Cant get into lunch room without them.</li><li>Cant get a hall pass without em </li><li>Camera's everywhere</li><li>Cant drive to school without one (guard at the gate)</li></ul>
Little stuff, but...whats the next step?
we do have a right to overthrow a corrupt governemnt... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
we do have a right to overthrow a corrupt governemnt... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Guns work so much better than voting.
If this happens in your community and you don't like it, vote for a different school board, run for school board, work for a school board member's compaign, etc.
Now, I can't be sure why they would be willing to spend all that money on this. I don't think the tag's battery even lasts a year, not to mention the cost of the tracking equipment, as they don't have infinite range either. Also, we are talking about an elementary school, where the kids are probably a bit better behaved than a high school.
However, if you really want to scare the parents, they should know that RFID tags allow ANYONE to track the students. I'm sure it allows pedophiles to easily track specific victims, particularly to establish where they will be at what time. They can even have equipment in multiple locations to make it easier to locate their favorite target.
w3rd.