Is Wall Strafing An Exploit?

GoDlol · February 2005

Well, I personally dont think that it is an exploit, but I was recently banned from a server for "exploiting walls" as a marine.

If you dont know what wall strafing is, it is when you strafe run against a wall to gain speed.

Figgy · February 2005

It doesn't really even do enough to be close to considered an exploit, because it hardly increases your speed. Yeah it makes a pretty big difference, but getting banned for "exploiting walls" is just plain stupid.

GoDlol · February 2005

tell that to <span style='color:white'>*snip*

Don't complain about specific servers here, thanks.</span>

Beretta · February 2005

Of course its not lol.

Seriously, if you got banned for that you should be banned if you bunnyhop <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /> both are hickups in the HL engine, oh yeah and wigglewalking

c4t · February 2005

yes its an exploit, and if you do it right you do gain a good amount of speed.

but as of now i find it as a perfectly viable way to gain speed as a marine and alien (mainly in vents or to start a bhawp)

im sure if the dev team doesnt like it they will remove it ( like it has been done in cs )

noob server tbh.

SilentErAsEr · February 2005

Pssst he was not banned for that. he is either insane good or a cheat. it's my server i pay the bills unless he can come play that way on my pc he got the ban.

Router_Box · February 2005

ahahah

He <b><u>IS</u></b> insane good dude. He's GoD, formerly of sU, (last season's second place CAL team) now of console. He's one of the best marines in the game.

KoniaX · February 2005

Wow if u got banned for that, thats ridiculous.... i do that all the time, along with "wiggle-walking"

Faskalia · February 2005

To sum it up:
Life and especially humanity is an exploite.
Ban god!

Align · February 2005

Yes, it's an engine exploit. No, nobody cares if you do it. This is the first time I've heard of an admin banning for that, and it appears by the previous posts that that wasn't the actual reason for the ban.

Alkiller · February 2005

See what happens when you play on other servers god <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

GoDlol · February 2005

pffft they have gnomes

Ps: Silent, ship me your computer or come to oregon and ill show you how its done

God_Killer · February 2005

BTW, Wall strafing goes faster then _special wiggle walking if done optimal.

SilentErAsEr · February 2005

well see there no flame got supported= unbanned

and yes it is a pub and how else is a admin supose to run it unless he watches and check players out if any of you would have checked the forums it was a temp ban and i did not see fit to lift it yet. because 1 i have been working alot 2 he did't wait it out

now god needs to stick to his first name multiple names means i need to check him out multiple times.. = mutiple bans untill i can find out who he is.

Zamma · February 2005

Why do u need scripts to wigglewalk its done easy enough.

Align · February 2005

Wallstrafing is kinda hard in NS due to complex architecture. You get interrupted very often. But it's still faster.

And you can wigglewalk without scripts, but it would seem to be easier since you don't have to worry about damaging your hands.

j3st · February 2005

what IS wiggle-walking?

and how do u wall strafe? just look towards the wall and move? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

TheJim · February 2005

Like the guy said if you do it properly you don't need scripts to do it which is why i have disabled scripts on my server basically when they moan i tell if you cant do it with out help from a script don't do it at all <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

But getting banned for being good and wall strafe is rediculous on my server if you can do it do it so what nobody cares unless theres an admin on who thinks you cheat because ya K/D ratio is something like 20 - 1 if it was something like 40 - 1 then i would question but 1st i would take into consideration what this person is facing on the opposing team e.g. if they are all nubs then i can accept it!

PRTe · February 2005

right. banned for wall strafing is totally ridiculous. might as wekk ban anyone who bunnyhops, scripts, wiggle walks, or binds any command to a key

btw scripting for wigglewalking is so that the left right commands can be executed almost immediately with the tap of one button, which is much much faster than doing it manually

Swiftspear · February 2005

Meh, if you want to play on a server that bannes for wallwalking, then so be it. Personally I don't mind getting banned from servers with rediculous rules that I don't want to have to play by anyways. You could always apologize and explain that you didn't know they consideded wall walking an exploit, and promise that you won't do it in the future.

Zz_Gashi · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (j3st @ Feb 20 2005, 05:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> what IS wiggle-walking?

and how do u wall strafe? just look towards the wall and move? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Just strafe into a flat wall as you run.

Next time your walking along that handrail in caged, or if you hold down your unstick button for skulk while your walking through a vent.

Ots · February 2005

heh, in europe you get banned if you talk the wrong language on a server
in america you get banned for moving around. funny stuff..

ultranewb · February 2005

In Soviet Russia, walls strafe you ...

Soylent_green · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Figgy @ Feb 18 2005, 01:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> It doesn't really even do enough to be close to considered an exploit, because it hardly increases your speed. Yeah it makes a pretty big difference, but getting banned for "exploiting walls" is just plain stupid. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
It increases your speed to 1.52x normal run speed at the correct angle, but without cl_showspeed or any other kind of ´speedometer´it's hard to get the angle right.

Skulks can do the same thing against the ground by releasing duck and looking slightly down into the ground while running. I do this when I need to get up steep slopes because then I will fly of the top edge at near full speed and not have to do a 'glide' jump to start bunnyhopping.

When moving up a really steep slope your upwards velocity can get high enough for the game to think that you are not on ground, but you can still gain speed from 'wall strafing' into the ground, and this makes you fly up like a rocket. If the slope is really really long and steep enough(doesn't exist in regular NS maps, possibly in some weird custom map) you can reach max air speed and be launched over the top edge at 3x run speed(bunnyhopping will only reach 1.7x speeds because your velocity is cropped if it exceeds this when you jump again). (the speed the game cares about is horisontal speed, your vertical speed can be much higher still and has no effect on your max horisontal speed)

All these things are accesible through the physics code for the mod, they are <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><b><i>NOT</i></b></span> engine bugs, they are inherited by all half-life mods based on the HLDM source from the SDK without bothering to look in pm_shared.c and fix the issues. It isn't even that complex code so it is certainly 'fixable' if this is desired by the dev team.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>btw scripting for wigglewalking is so that the left right commands can be executed almost immediately with the tap of one button, which is much much faster than doing it manually
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In case anyone cares, the speed up due to 'wiggle-walking' is due to the same reasons that you get a speed up from 'gliding'(e.g. strafe to the left while turning to the left).

theclam · February 2005

Wallstrafing is too easy to do to and too universal be considered an exploit.

That_Annoying_Kid · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Feb 22 2005, 11:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Wallstrafing is too easy to do to and too universal be considered an exploit.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
^^
it's not that hard to learn to wallstrafe as it is to bunnyhop

and what Soylent green said <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />

Swiftspear · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ultranewb @ Feb 22 2005, 01:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> In Soviet Russia, walls strafe you ...  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
ultranewb receives my highest seal of aproval!

Grendel · February 2005

An exploit is undesired behaviour of code which is taken advantage of by a third party.

The emphasis here is on <i>undesired</i>. The suggestion to remove it has been brought up in development on a couple of occasions. Since it hasn't been removed and is not listed on Mantis, it should be apparent to anyone that it is an "undocumented feature" rather than an exploit.

Keyser · February 2005

So why are you posting here and not their server forums again? Do you want sympathy?

GoDlol · February 2005

I did post on their forums, and I was wondering if it was widley except as an exploit throughout the community or just on that one perticular server.

Swiftspear · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoDlol @ Feb 25 2005, 02:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I did post on their forums, and I was wondering if it was widley except as an exploit throughout the community or just on that one perticular server.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
generally it is an accepted technique... as it is impossible to fix without compleatly removing the code responsible for bunnyhopping, and thus will always be part of the game (unlike pancaking which is a bug that is fixable). Because it has been deemed acceptable enough to leave in the game, it is generally considered as acceptable as say bunnyhopping, or manual wigglewalking.

Although some servers don't allow those things either, so you have to know the rules of a server before going all out. But like I say, I don't much like the no wallwalking/no bunnyhopping servers, so rather than whining about them or telling them off, i just avoid them. If I get banned for wallwalking wigglewalking, bunnyhopping, glidejumping or strafe jumping, I just go "meh" because I really don't want to play on that type of server anyways.

Is Wall Strafing An Exploit?

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