I Thought Spawn Camping Was Frowned Upon

AvengerX · February 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">but I guess I was wrong</div> so I was playing a game today, and this dork marine was spawn camping base and milked off at least 10 kills... so I tell him to stop and knock it off, no admins were on at this time, and after a few more times telling him to stop he tells me (in a much more rude manner) "learn to play the game noob"

so is that the direction NS is taking? that the end justifies the means. if thats where this game is headed I don't want to be a part of it

SDJason · February 2005

Most pubs it isnt deemed "fair"

But imho... its legal, dont let em near ur base

However after a while if they dont kill the hive ill start bitching

My rule of thumb

1 minute of spawncamping, if ive spawned in twice and been killed (whole team dead) well its a little **** now and something needs to be done about it

~Jason

theclam · February 2005

Spawncamping in the middle of the game is ok. It's a valid tactic and you shouldn't have let him inside your spawn anyway. If a player is skilled enough to spawncamp you and your team isn't skilled enough to stop him, then you deserve it.

Spawncamping to prolong the game is not ok. If the game is over and the other team is just camping your hive/IP to up their K:D ratio, that's just lame.

Sky · February 2005

This is about as dumb as getting killed by a camper in CS, and then assuming that that's how the entire game is played. In fact, it's even dumber. This is one guy who's being a ****, and you assume that this is the direction the dev team wants the mod to go? Grow a brainstem; there are asshats in every community who will play "cheap" in order to win.

If you're into having fun rather than winning at all costs, then it's annoying. If however, you're scrimming in a clan and you start getting spawncamped, I guarantee bitching to the other guy isn't gonna help you. It's all about why you're playing.

Also....do you really think anyone cares if you stop playing the game? Seriously, and this isn't just directed at you Avenger, enough with all of you self-important egobags who defiantly claim "I don't like where this game is headed, so I won't participate in it anymore" or "You're ruining my game, I'll never play NS again." NO.ONE.CARES. Seriously, it's a GAME, if you're not having fun then DON'T PLAY! Not that hard a concept.

Zephor · February 2005

Hey guys, quick note. You cannot kill a hive and continue to spawncamp at the sametime.

AvengerX · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Feb 13 2005, 02:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> This is about as dumb as getting killed by a camper in CS, and then assuming that that's how the entire game is played. In fact, it's even dumber. This is one guy who's being a ****, and you assume that this is the direction the dev team wants the mod to go? Grow a brainstem; there are asshats in every community who will play "cheap" in order to win.

If you're into having fun rather than winning at all costs, then it's annoying. If however, you're scrimming in a clan and you start getting spawncamped, I guarantee bitching to the other guy isn't gonna help you. It's all about why you're playing.

Also....do you really think anyone cares if you stop playing the game? Seriously, and this isn't just directed at you Avenger, enough with all of you self-important egobags who defiantly claim "I don't like where this game is headed, so I won't participate in it anymore" or "You're ruining my game, I'll never play NS again." NO.ONE.CARES. Seriously, it's a GAME, if you're not having fun then DON'T PLAY! Not that hard a concept.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
whoa there sonny... you need to crack a midol... seriously... I'd go see a doctor about those rage issues...

alrighty then... now that sky has... had an aneurisms or something...

see, and here we are confirming that spawn camping isn't all that frowned upon afterwards, all of you here seem to look at it as a viable option to playing the game... if we look at it that way... then what about hacking? is that fair enough? I mean it's a good tactic if all you care about is winning. why not cheat? if it gets the job done thats what counts right?

ChimpZealot · February 2005

You forgot to mention the part where you repeatedly called me a "**** camper" even before I actually started spawn camping. When I did start spawn camping, we were attempting to siege your other hive, so I see nothing wrong with distracting 3 skulks who would have otherwise taken out our siege farm. My advice to you is to lighten up. It is only a game.

... and your comments about equating hacking with spawn camping... I just really don't know what to say about that.

AvengerX · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ChimpZealot @ Feb 13 2005, 02:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You forgot to mention the part where you repeatedly called me a "**** camper" even before I actually started spawn camping. When I did start spawn camping, we were attempting to siege your other hive, so I see nothing wrong with distracting 3 skulks who would have otherwise taken out our siege farm. My advice to you is to lighten up. It is only a game.

... and your comments about equating hacking with spawn camping... I just really don't know what to say about that.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
you weren't sieging the hive, you didn't even set up a fase gate, you ran back.. the comm filled you up with more ammo and meds then you went back to shooting skulkies as they popped up

Sky · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 13 2005, 02:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> see, and here we are confirming that spawn camping isn't all that frowned upon afterwards, all of you here seem to look at it as a viable option to playing the game... if we look at it that way... then what about hacking? is that fair enough? I mean it's a good tactic if all you care about is winning. why not cheat? if it gets the job done thats what counts right? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Avenger, you just compared spawncamping and hacking. One is a decidedly unpleasant but still legal and above all <b>preventable</b> action only viable when the entire alien team has either been killed (and there's only one hive), or no one is bothering to get back to the hive to help. The other uses 3rd party software to change what you can do in the game. Like I said, stop bitching about something like this, and stop trying to portray yourself as some kind of martyr standing up to the hordes of heathen spawncampers trying to drag this mod down to the depths of Hell.

Also: he said <b>other</b> hive. You probably didn't even notice your other hive was getting hit because you were too worried about one guy in the first hive.

BadMouth · February 2005

in my opinion, spawn camping in CO is not nice. and dont tell me u cant shoot the hive/bite CC and kill ppl in CO at the same time. the wave spawn system allows u to whack the hive/CC and still have time to deal wif enemies.

as for NS maps, i dont mind spawn camping. its a valid way to gain res and delay the other team. i only frown upon it in NS maps when u spawncamp just to extend the game. like the whole team waiting at the ip/hive and not whacking the CC/hive to win.

Sky · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadMouth @ Feb 13 2005, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> in my opinion, spawn camping in CO is not nice. and dont tell me u cant shoot the hive/bite CC and kill ppl in CO at the same time. the wave spawn system allows u to whack the hive/CC and still have time to deal wif enemies.

as for NS maps, i dont mind spawn camping. its a valid way to gain res and delay the other team. i only frown upon it in NS maps when u spawncamp just to extend the game. like the whole team waiting at the ip/hive and not whacking the CC/hive to win.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
The situation he's complaining about happened in an NS game, and yes spawncamping when there's nothing but an IP left is just unsportsmanlike, no matter what.

c4t · February 2005

spawn camping is a valid tactic.

it helps keep skulks off nodes and if it ensues long enough aliens are basically screwed.

learn to prevent it.

but please do not install plugins that give 3 second invuln. noobs.

RBS · February 2005

It's a valid tactic if you ask me, nobody should have the luxery of being all safe just because they are in their spawn. If you don't shoot spawning skulks they are usually at your feet a second or two later, so, it makes perfect sense to prioritize the skulks over the hive.

As for "spawn camping" and totally ignoring the hive, well, I would simply call that being a **** instead <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />.

Addicted · February 2005

Some people dont have common courtesy and play the game as they want it.

There is spawning camping because you are trying to get a pg up...so thats for a reason....Then you have spawn camping for a better kill score.

What can you do? Asking them to stop makes them more annoying.

I think NS is becomming full of people who think they own it and adjust the gameplay to fit their 12 yr old cs needs.

...rant...rant...rant..... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' />

Jane · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Feb 13 2005, 02:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Spawncamping in the middle of the game is ok. It's a valid tactic and you shouldn't have let him inside your spawn anyway. If a player is skilled enough to spawncamp you and your team isn't skilled enough to stop him, then you deserve it.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Spawn camping doesn't take much skill...

even I can spawn camp.

I agree with the "don't let them in your hive if you don't want to be spawn camped" though.

TOmekki · February 2005

people need to realise that this is not an issue where your personal opinion matters in the least. thats why plugins to prevent spawncamping and rules that ban spawncampers are very short-sighted. the only good thing if youre being spawncamped is that you have plenty of time to wonder what the heck you did wrong. unless you can quickly break the camp say goodbye to that round, and try harder next time.

repeat: if a marine (or marines) is in your starting hive (i am not talking about the endgame here, mind you), YOU HAVE MADE A MISTAKE. do not blame others for your mistakes, whether its the team's fault or your own (dieing stupidly as lerk comes to mind).

tjosan · February 2005

Just to say it again.

If a single marine is in the hive, it is impossible for him to target the hive and the spawning skulks at the same time, without risking a very quick death. The logical thing is to target the skulks as they respawn and reload as you wait for the next one.

[Edit]And saying that spawncamping is lame and not allowed is just like saying "omg, that's lame. stop making a single press A pounch every time I try my elite combo of doom which requires 1 sec and 10 presses to execute. The game is all about doing the complicated attacks and not about winning."

Eh?

Router_Box · February 2005

Look lets look at this with common freaking sense.

You spawn in the same room that contains the thing the enemies are trying to kill.

You pose way more of a threat to them than the hive/cc does. Of course they will target you over it. Get a freaking clue and some skills pls. If you don't die you wont be spawn camped. If you don't let them into your FREAKING SPAWN then they can't spawn camp you.

Seriously, get some skills, stop whining, and most of all shut up.

DC_Darkling · February 2005

I say let em camp. You died and if your teammates are to retarted to help you and kill the spawncamper, he did great. He just won the game.

obuh · February 2005

Go play on Lunixmonster.

tjosan · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Feb 13 2005, 07:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Go play on Lunixmonster.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Ouch, insult? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Swift_Idiot · February 2005

I'd rather have a community of spawncampers than a community of people who think it's cheap and equate it to hacks. Because then this community would just be stone-thick retarded and I don't want to think less of my fellow gamers. But then I see topics like this and I realize that it's too late and this community is already quite mentally degraded. Sure, now all the people who both know and care enough to say how stupid it is to complain about spawncamping are coming out, but someone already compared spawncamping to hacks. This thread is dead on it's feet.

This population needs a cull. A vicious one too.

Depot · February 2005

Don't want spawn-camping on your server? There's an AMX Mod X plugin available that grants ALL players on the server godmode while spawning for a period of time set in the cvar (1.5 to 2 seconds recommended). If you can't come to your senses while spawning in that amount of time your reflexes are to poor to be playing this game.

That being said, if the alledged spawn-killer is doing nothing but picking of fresh spawners when he could be attacking the cc/hive it's just plain lame. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

TOmekki · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader @ Feb 13 2005, 08:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Don't want spawn-camping on your server? There's an AMX Mod X plugin available that grants ALL players on the server godmode while spawning for a period of time set in the cvar (1.5 to 2 seconds recommended). If you can't come to your senses while spawning in that amount of time your reflexes are to poor to be playing this game.

That being said, if the alledged spawn-killer is doing nothing but picking of fresh spawners when he could be attacking the cc/hive it's just plain lame. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
if you need 2 seconds to come to your senses when you spawn then you need to either lay off whatever your smoking, go have some sleep or seek psychiatric help. <i>seriously</i>

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That being said, if the alledged spawn-killer is doing nothing but picking of fresh spawners when he could be attacking the cc/hive it's just plain lame. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

a killer, you say? tell me then if youve ever been in a hiveroom alone with an lmg? because if you'd have you would know that theres no way 1 person can both spawnkill the enemy AND destroy the buildings asap, at least if theres 2 ip's.

BadMouth · February 2005

in NS maps, it is definately impossible for a marine to shoot the hive and deal with aliens. that is forgivable. however, it is not forgivable if the WHOLE team is there, spawnkilling and the comm does nothing but drop ammo to help the marines spawn camp.

as for aliens, you can bite the ip and killl the marines at the same time. so spawn camping for aliens is nt excused if you do not bite the ip at the same time.

TOmekki · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadMouth @ Feb 13 2005, 09:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> in NS maps, it is definately impossible for a marine to shoot the hive and deal with aliens. that is forgivable. however, it is not forgivable if the WHOLE team is there, spawnkilling and the comm does nothing but drop ammo to help the marines spawn camp.

as for aliens, you can bite the ip and killl the marines at the same time. so spawn camping for aliens is nt excused if you do not bite the ip at the same time.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
what if you want to kill, say, the armory?

BadMouth · February 2005

if u kill the armoury, then obviously u cannot spawn camp. but if u can kill the armoury, or another other building for that matter, and still manage to kill the marines spawning, i wld not consider that spawn camping. thats because your sole purpose is not to kill marines only.

TOmekki · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadMouth @ Feb 13 2005, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> if u kill the armoury, then obviously u cannot spawn camp. but if u can kill the armoury, or another other building for that matter, and still manage to kill the marines spawning, i wld not consider that spawn camping. thats because your sole purpose is not to kill marines only.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
why not?

Alcapwn · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 13 2005, 02:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> so I was playing a game today, and this dork marine was spawn camping base and milked off at least 10 kills... so I tell him to stop and knock it off, no admins were on at this time, and after a few more times telling him to stop he tells me (in a much more rude manner) "learn to play the game noob"

so is that the direction NS is taking? that the end justifies the means. if thats where this game is headed I don't want to be a part of it  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
hmmm

Thats just one guy, you know. Its pretty unfair to say, "OMG NS IS BECOMIN TEH SUCK CAUSE OF TEH ONE GUY IN CORNER!"

Depot · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Feb 13 2005, 10:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader @ Feb 13 2005, 08:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Don't want spawn-camping on your server? There's an AMX Mod X plugin available that grants ALL players on the server godmode while spawning for a period of time set in the cvar (1.5 to 2 seconds recommended). If you can't come to your senses while spawning in that amount of time your reflexes are to poor to be playing this game.

That being said, if the alledged spawn-killer is doing nothing but picking of fresh spawners when he could be attacking the cc/hive it's just plain lame. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
if you need 2 seconds to come to your senses when you spawn then you need to either lay off whatever your smoking, go have some sleep or seek psychiatric help. <i>seriously</i>

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That being said, if the alledged spawn-killer is doing nothing but picking of fresh spawners when he could be attacking the cc/hive it's just plain lame. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

a killer, you say? tell me then if youve ever been in a hiveroom alone with an lmg? because if you'd have you would know that theres no way 1 person can both spawnkill the enemy AND destroy the buildings asap, at least if theres 2 ip's.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
If you don't like the idea of brief invulnerability at respawn then don't use the plugin, or bash it. Your remark is nothing but flammatory and condescending, not to mention incorrect.

Did I say <b>ONE</b> person? I didn't think so. But even so there's sufficient time between killing of the enemy and his respawning to at least make a <i>feeble</i> effort of attacking their structure.

CheesyPeteza · February 2005

Spawn camping takes some skill
Preventing spawn camping takes skill
Stopping spawn camping after its started takes skill

It is a valid tactic, its just not fun. But while the design decision has been made to keep spawn camping in you only have a few choices:

O Get the server admin to install a plugin to prevent it
O Concede the game via F4
O Go do something else more fun

The last option sucks though because I like NS and I want to play it, I just don't like spawn camping. I don't like it so much that I will stop playing NS when it happens.

I must be on my own though as I can't believe anyone that hated it like I did would actually leave it as a feature in the game.

I Thought Spawn Camping Was Frowned Upon

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