<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think we have all achieved a consensus about spawn camping. And Duo, come to my pub, we'll treat you right biggrin-fix.gif<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The NSA pub? Because thats the server that has been driving me insane <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yeah the NSA pubs are good server but the games are usually always one-sided and I can only stand seeing so many turret factories spammed all over on one map. Hey I even paid for a res slot there and I barely play there.
Oh yeah and as for spawn protection I think that if you want to run it on your pub server then it's a great idea, but can you make it not last long enough for the skulk to kill 3 people in the hive. I spawned once on some server and managed to take down 3 shotgunners before I stopped glowing. It was like 6 second spawn protection. 2 seconds should be tops.
<!--QuoteBegin-MrGunner+Feb 15 2005, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrGunner @ Feb 15 2005, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah the NSA pubs are good server but the games are usually always one-sided and I can only stand seeing so many turret factories spammed all over on one map. Hey I even paid for a res slot there and I barely play there.
Oh yeah and as for spawn protection I think that if you want to run it on your pub server then it's a great idea, but can you make it not last long enough for the skulk to kill 3 people in the hive. I spawned once on some server and managed to take down 3 shotgunners before I stopped glowing. It was like 6 second spawn protection. 2 seconds should be tops. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have experimented with various settings and find 2 seconds to be fair. It DOES work on both teams for those of you about to cry foul.
<!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Feb 15 2005, 02:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Feb 15 2005, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> this needs to be locked. because people dont learn stuff from these forum threads, they learn from game experience and that depends greatly on where you play. people that only play on servers that have spawninvul and stuff like that wont learn, ever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not only that, but this thread is becoming monstruous for no apparent reason. The real discussion ended around page 4 I think. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-DuoGodOfDeath+Feb 15 2005, 02:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuoGodOfDeath @ Feb 15 2005, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think we have all achieved a consensus about spawn camping. And Duo, come to my pub, we'll treat you right biggrin-fix.gif<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The NSA pub? Because thats the server that has been driving me insane <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Play from like 12-2 EST (during the day)... you get a bunch of people like runo and dn` people and a bunch of consties and sometimes (unfortunately) chrispers <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Four Marines standing around, ignoring the hive, gunning for every skulk that spawns while the rest of them set up siege and you're stuck in the respawn que with everyone else on your team? That's BS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Two marines standing there, ignoring the hive, while the other two only shoot the hive is fine though. My opinion, at least. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually to me that seems perfectly fine, the 4 marines are keeping the aliens dead, while the rest of the team is sieging to finish off the hive. Though I'm sure 2 of the marines could shoot the hive with no harm no foul, but it isn't necessary if the rest of the team is setting up siege.
<!--QuoteBegin-SDJason+Feb 16 2005, 12:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SDJason @ Feb 16 2005, 12:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is the deal END OF STORY...
SPAWNCAMPING IS OK....
LONG AS UR KILLING TE HIVE/IPS TOO
ONE GUY CAMPING SPAWN WITH NO INTENTION OF KILLING A HIVE IS RETARTED...
3 GUYS CAMPING SPAWN WHILE SHOOTING THE HIVE IS DIFFERENT... AND OK since the hive is going down....
~Jason <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Dude, you havent been reading anything have you?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ONE GUY CAMPING SPAWN WITH NO INTENTION OF KILLING A HIVE IS RETARTED...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe its the other way around. The single marine camping is a genius. Its when the alien team fails to stop him is where the retarded word should come in. If you know your team is being spawncamped I would suppose most intelligent people would think, "Hey lets save our spawn before more Marines get in." But in pub land its a different story and while their team is getting camped they go gorge and drop OC's in a vent or whatever.
It also provides an distraction for the aliens so now while hes camping. Atleast 2-3 skulks will come back leaving what? 2 skulks out on the field. Thus giving Marines more time to explore the dark deep secret maps and cap res.
<!--QuoteBegin-DuoGodOfDeath+Feb 16 2005, 01:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuoGodOfDeath @ Feb 16 2005, 01:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ONE GUY CAMPING SPAWN WITH NO INTENTION OF KILLING A HIVE IS RETARTED...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe its the other way around. The single marine camping is a genius. Its when the alien team fails to stop him is where the retarded word should come in. If you know your team is being spawncamped I would suppose most intelligent people would think, "Hey lets save our spawn before more Marines get in." But in pub land its a different story and while their team is getting camped they go gorge and drop OC's in a vent or whatever.
It also provides an distraction for the aliens so now while hes camping. Atleast 2-3 skulks will come back leaving what? 2 skulks out on the field. Thus giving Marines more time to explore the dark deep secret maps and cap res. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You are correct Duo...
I dont consider spawncamping when there are still aliens alive as spawncamping......
I consider spawncamping marines rushing a hive, and then a brawl ensues where 1-2 marines survive and all aliens die, and the marines just sit on a plethora of meds/ammo and kill the spawners while rines cap/elec/turret everything as spawncamping
If there are like 4 aliens alive and one guy in ur base, its not spawncamping... I only consider it spawncamping when there are no more survivors alive, and then it becomes camping... until then its fair game, but once the aliens are all dead please make an effort to kill the hive....
<!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+Feb 16 2005, 10:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ Feb 16 2005, 10:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SDJason+Feb 16 2005, 12:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SDJason @ Feb 16 2005, 12:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is the deal END OF STORY...
SPAWNCAMPING IS OK....
LONG AS UR KILLING TE HIVE/IPS TOO
ONE GUY CAMPING SPAWN WITH NO INTENTION OF KILLING A HIVE IS RETARTED...
3 GUYS CAMPING SPAWN WHILE SHOOTING THE HIVE IS DIFFERENT... AND OK since the hive is going down....
~Jason <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dude, you havent been reading anything have you? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The point is there is no right or wrong answer... i was Sarcastically being as rediculously retarted as everyone else...
14 pages of exactly what i posted, and we have gotten nowheres... (yes i have been reading it)
Everyone has an opinion, seeing as its an RTS, mine is spawncamping is legit until you've "won" that is, all/almost all aliens are dead and in spawn queue... at that point its time to beign shooting the hive.... Cuz it just becomes retarted real fast
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<!--QuoteBegin-SDJason+Feb 16 2005, 01:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SDJason @ Feb 16 2005, 01:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+Feb 16 2005, 10:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ Feb 16 2005, 10:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SDJason+Feb 16 2005, 12:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SDJason @ Feb 16 2005, 12:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is the deal END OF STORY...
SPAWNCAMPING IS OK....
LONG AS UR KILLING TE HIVE/IPS TOO
ONE GUY CAMPING SPAWN WITH NO INTENTION OF KILLING A HIVE IS RETARTED...
3 GUYS CAMPING SPAWN WHILE SHOOTING THE HIVE IS DIFFERENT... AND OK since the hive is going down....
~Jason <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dude, you havent been reading anything have you? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The point is there is no right or wrong answer... i was Sarcastically being as rediculously retarted as everyone else...
14 pages of exactly what i posted, and we have gotten nowheres... (yes i have been reading it)
Everyone has an opinion, seeing as its an RTS, mine is spawncamping is legit until you've "won" that is, all/almost all aliens are dead and in spawn queue... at that point its time to beign shooting the hive.... Cuz it just becomes retarted real fast
~jason <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It usually doesn't ever get to that point. In the past few months I've played, the rest of the marine team usually gets ther to back the lone marine up within a minute or so and helps end the game, or the marine in the hive gets killed.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Feb 15 2005, 01:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Feb 15 2005, 01:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BadMouth+Feb 15 2005, 09:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadMouth @ Feb 15 2005, 09:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you know, throughout the posts i have read, everyone says the same thing. spawncamping mid-game to help the team win is okay. spawncamping endgame to drag the game on is not okay. (this applies to ns maps only) now why is everyone argueing and stuff? dosent every1 agree on the same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Everyone except for kwikloader. Even Avenger, the guy who started this, I think now sees the difference between "good" and "bad" spawncamping, and why the community accepts one and rejects the other. Heck, kwikloader even admitted that Jane's tactic was acceptable, so I don't know why he's been arguing for this long. Me thinks he just likes the attention. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I've allways relized spawn camping as a "valid tactic" I just thought it was frowned upon....
case in point... I play waterpolo if any of you hae ever seen it on the olympics or what have you... and while splashing water directly into your opentents eyes (due to the fact that you don't wear goggles in Waterpolo because you get hit in the fase a lot with balls and stuff) is considered a valid tactic, its still horrible frowned upon.. people who do it are cheap skates that can only level out the playing field with low blows like that.
I just think that on pub servers, heavy relliance on spawn camping is a low blow... were not talking comp here, because in comp both teams accecpt and know they have to deal with it and are usually capable of handling it. but in pubs... I just feel it lessens the fun level for all parties involved, including the spawn campers and the spawm campees
and I allso realize that some of you haven't bothered to read the thread... and so most of the 14 pages of this are all saying the pretty much the same thing from diffrent people execpt for a hand full of people that have taken the time to read it all... I'd just like to thank thoose who have taken that time to do so and keep bringing new material to the subject
How is spawn camping frowned upon. I don't understand. The only reasons that a marine or skulk can get to the other base is that you either let the opponent in or you guys just blow. Spawn camping would end a probably very predicitable and long game. Also, directed at how people who are spawn camping aren't shooting the hive. Who cares. Maybe there just waiting for backup or the com is to slow to think what to do.
AvengerX your stupid on so many levels. Spawn camping doesn't ruin any fun, it should teach people to get back to the hive or not let a safe-free path straight to the spawn.
And if there spawn camping to heighten there K:D. Then JUST f***ing F4 or RECYCLE and get the f***ing GAME DONE WITH SO A NEW GAME CAN START.
<!--QuoteBegin-Maruchan+Feb 16 2005, 01:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maruchan @ Feb 16 2005, 01:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How is spawn camping frowned upon. I don't understand. The only reasons that a marine or skulk can get to the other base is that you either let the opponent in or you guys just blow. Spawn camping would end a probably very predicitable and long game. Also, directed at how people who are spawn camping aren't shooting the hive. Who cares. Maybe there just waiting for backup or the com is to slow to think what to do.
AvengerX your stupid on so many levels. Spawn camping doesn't ruin any fun, it should teach people to get back to the hive or not let a safe-free path straight to the spawn.
And if there spawn camping to heighten there K:D. Then JUST f***ing F4 or RECYCLE and get the f***ing GAME DONE WITH SO A NEW GAME CAN START. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> thank you for saying what has only been said... I dunnno ... 20 times? learn to read, anyways....
I can guess by your personallity and your attitude towards whats "fun" I'm guessing you have low self-esteem, based on your insults towards me I'd guess you probly don't like yourself very much and therefore have to throw dirt at others to make yourself feel better.... which allso explains why you like to spawn camp, its a easy way for you to get a lot of kills and feel good about yourself... I feel bad for you in a way, seeing how your life is based on getting kills in NS... but dont' worry maybe someday you'll meet a girl/ man (if thats what your into , it wouldn't suprise me) and things will work out for you... I wish you the best of luck
If you think that spawncamping for just a good score is the reason its done your terribly wrong <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Maruchan+Feb 16 2005, 02:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maruchan @ Feb 16 2005, 02:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> AvengerX your stupid on so many levels. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You MAY want to view the Community Guidelines Maruchan. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-Any form of direct or indirect personal attack or harassment is prohibited.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-DuoGodOfDeath+Feb 16 2005, 02:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuoGodOfDeath @ Feb 16 2005, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you think that spawncamping for just a good score is the reason its done your terribly wrong <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> thats true its not the only reason its done.. but the problem is when marines get spawncamped hard and no beacon is possible... then the aliens win really fast so new game starts BAM everyones happy... but when the aliens get spawn camped.... the marines just get lots of R4k res... the aliens sit there and die while they wait for all the nodes on the map to be capped and a full tech tree...THEN the game ends.... it just doesn't seem fun for one side huh?
When I ever join a co server. Almost every game you hear. "OMG NOOB SPAWNCAMPER. SHOOT THE HIVBE." So when you are doing it in ns I reckon it's the co players. As experienced NS players would know that spawn camping is a good tactic. And not only that but they would have done it themselves.
<!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 16 2005, 02:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 16 2005, 02:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Maruchan+Feb 16 2005, 01:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maruchan @ Feb 16 2005, 01:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How is spawn camping frowned upon. I don't understand. The only reasons that a marine or skulk can get to the other base is that you either let the opponent in or you guys just blow. Spawn camping would end a probably very predicitable and long game. Also, directed at how people who are spawn camping aren't shooting the hive. Who cares. Maybe there just waiting for backup or the com is to slow to think what to do.
AvengerX your stupid on so many levels. Spawn camping doesn't ruin any fun, it should teach people to get back to the hive or not let a safe-free path straight to the spawn.
And if there spawn camping to heighten there K:D. Then JUST f***ing F4 or RECYCLE and get the f***ing GAME DONE WITH SO A NEW GAME CAN START. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> thank you for saying what has only been said... I dunnno ... 20 times? learn to read, anyways....
I can guess by your personallity and your attitude towards whats "fun" I'm guessing you have low self-esteem, based on your insults towards me I'd guess you probly don't like yourself very much and therefore have to throw dirt at others to make yourself feel better.... which allso explains why you like to spawn camp, its a easy way for you to get a lot of kills and feel good about yourself... I feel bad for you in a way, seeing how your life is based on getting kills in NS... but dont' worry maybe someday you'll meet a girl/ man (if thats what your into , it wouldn't suprise me) and things will work out for you... I wish you the best of luck <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> When did I ever say that I spawn camped? AvengerX stop being a hypocrite, "You forgot to mention the part where you repeatedly called me a "**** camper" even before I actually started spawn camping." All you can say is that you tried very hard for an insult and all you did was fail. I feel bad for you that you bring up a topic that you know you’re going to get flamed and you just can't handle the criticism. Judging by your attitude and typing, I can assume just like you, that your fingers are too fat because of your massive typos or that you were extremely angered by my post and needed to reply as fast as possible to get your point across. Anyways my insult isn't an insult; it’s a fact, so learn the difference AvengerX. And try not to assume everything from an internet post, I could prejudge you as some loser because he has to complain about spawn camping which would lead to a conclusion that your some rag doll for some bully. Or the fact that you bring up a real life relationship to show how superior you are which would also conclude that your a loser because that is the only way you feel you can out-do someone;I assume that your boy/girl friend wouldn't like to be used as some trophy, right? So please AvengerX stop being stupid because your sheer dumbness is contagious.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->thats true its not the only reason its done.. but the problem is when marines get spawncamped hard and no beacon is possible... then the aliens win really fast so new game starts BAM everyones happy... but when the aliens get spawn camped.... the marines just get lots of R4k res... the aliens sit there and die while they wait for all the nodes on the map to be capped and a full tech tree...THEN the game ends.... it just doesn't seem fun for one side huh?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What Marine team would waste its time doing a full tech up? Sure cap the res really fast because that takes like a minute when aliens are all dead. If this happened in a pub no marine team would wait for 3/3 ups and then kill the hive. Once the spawncamping beings it'll be a minimum 1-2 minutes before 5 other marines come. So its not so bad as it looks. Unless as one guy said the comm is REALLY slow at thinking and doesnt fully understand the game is most likely when the game will take forever to end.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can guess by your personallity and your attitude towards whats "fun" I'm guessing you have low self-esteem, based on your insults towards me I'd guess you probly don't like yourself very much and therefore have to throw dirt at others to make yourself feel better.... which allso explains why you like to spawn camp, its a easy way for you to get a lot of kills and feel good about yourself... I feel bad for you in a way, seeing how your life is based on getting kills in NS... but dont' worry maybe someday you'll meet a girl/ man (if thats what your into , it wouldn't suprise me) and things will work out for you... I wish you the best of luck <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who are YOU to make generalizations about psychological proccesses, and conditions.
Do you even study psychology, or did you read a few articles on CNN.com or Psychology Today to establish some sort of "logic" for your belief in Maruchan's "low self-esteem"
I guess the education process that people who actually know what they are talking about (i.e. Ph.D's, Psy.D's, LPC's and LCSW's) just goes out through the window with your brand new way of analyzing the human psyche.
It just depends on the server. If you like spawncamping, go somewhere that it is allowed. If you don't like it, go to a server with your status on the subject. There is really no decisive decision for the whole NS community.
<!--QuoteBegin-Maruchan+Feb 16 2005, 02:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maruchan @ Feb 16 2005, 02:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AvengerX+Feb 16 2005, 02:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AvengerX @ Feb 16 2005, 02:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Maruchan+Feb 16 2005, 01:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maruchan @ Feb 16 2005, 01:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How is spawn camping frowned upon. I don't understand. The only reasons that a marine or skulk can get to the other base is that you either let the opponent in or you guys just blow. Spawn camping would end a probably very predicitable and long game. Also, directed at how people who are spawn camping aren't shooting the hive. Who cares. Maybe there just waiting for backup or the com is to slow to think what to do.
AvengerX your stupid on so many levels. Spawn camping doesn't ruin any fun, it should teach people to get back to the hive or not let a safe-free path straight to the spawn.
And if there spawn camping to heighten there K:D. Then JUST f***ing F4 or RECYCLE and get the f***ing GAME DONE WITH SO A NEW GAME CAN START. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> thank you for saying what has only been said... I dunnno ... 20 times? learn to read, anyways....
I can guess by your personallity and your attitude towards whats "fun" I'm guessing you have low self-esteem, based on your insults towards me I'd guess you probly don't like yourself very much and therefore have to throw dirt at others to make yourself feel better.... which allso explains why you like to spawn camp, its a easy way for you to get a lot of kills and feel good about yourself... I feel bad for you in a way, seeing how your life is based on getting kills in NS... but dont' worry maybe someday you'll meet a girl/ man (if thats what your into , it wouldn't suprise me) and things will work out for you... I wish you the best of luck <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> When did I ever say that I spawn camped? AvengerX stop being a hypocrite, "You forgot to mention the part where you repeatedly called me a "**** camper" even before I actually started spawn camping." All you can say is that you tried very hard for an insult and all you did was fail. I feel bad for you that you bring up a topic that you know you’re going to get flamed and you just can't handle the criticism. Judging by your attitude and typing, I can assume just like you, that your fingers are too fat because of your massive typos or that you were extremely angered by my post and needed to reply as fast as possible to get your point across. Anyways my insult isn't an insult; it’s a fact, so learn the difference AvengerX. And try not to assume everything from an internet post, I could prejudge you as some loser because he has to complain about spawn camping which would lead to a conclusion that your some rag doll for some bully. Or the fact that you bring up a real life relationship to show how superior you are which would also conclude that your a loser because that is the only way you feel you can out-do someone;I assume that your boy/girl friend wouldn't like to be used as some trophy, right? So please AvengerX stop being stupid because your sheer dumbness is contagious. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't trying to insult you, I was just feeling bad for you. thats all, and if my attitude towards killings jews (for example this is a 100% hypothetical) is pro kill jews, even if I don't kill jews, I'm still a nazi that should be shot.... get my point skin head?
anyways.... I'm trying to convince people to take the higher road. thats all, and I know a lot of poeple disagree but thats whats great about this world, you can think whatever you want... its called freedom. and I can assume all I want, thats my right. and everytime your grubby little paws touch the keyboard you just give me more and more information , so I don't need to assume as much and I just know that your a moron for a fact.. at first it was somewhat hazy ... but now ya made it pretty clear
Letting in the marines inside your base? You deserve to die. This has been established.
It's not a low-blow, this is a direct disparity between the marine's intelligence, and the alien's stupidity.
It's not like spraying water in the other guy's eyes, because he can't really avoid that. But in the case of spawn camping, it's completely within the alien's sphere of control. It IS their base, after all.
Avenger, please, let's establish some facts.
-Spawn camping is a byproduct of the negligence of the team that's being inflicted upon. -This is not an exploit, and this is an opportunity ready to be taken. Who dares, wins. -You are of slightly low intelligence, and your grasp of situational awareness is abysmal.
As a comm, I tend to win the fastest way possible, depending on the skill and obedience of my marines. Usually if 3/4 of the alien team is dead, I'll just PG rush it and end it right then and there.
<!--QuoteBegin-Malevolent+Feb 16 2005, 03:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Malevolent @ Feb 16 2005, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It just depends on the server. If you like spawncamping, go somewhere that it is allowed. If you don't like it, go to a server with your status on the subject. There is really no decisive decision for the whole NS community. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> and why, may i ask, is this so?
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The NSA pub? Because thats the server that has been driving me insane <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh yeah and as for spawn protection I think that if you want to run it on your pub server then it's a great idea, but can you make it not last long enough for the skulk to kill 3 people in the hive. I spawned once on some server and managed to take down 3 shotgunners before I stopped glowing. It was like 6 second spawn protection. 2 seconds should be tops.
I hate to be spawn camped, but love to spawn camp more.
Just play.
Oh yeah and as for spawn protection I think that if you want to run it on your pub server then it's a great idea, but can you make it not last long enough for the skulk to kill 3 people in the hive. I spawned once on some server and managed to take down 3 shotgunners before I stopped glowing. It was like 6 second spawn protection. 2 seconds should be tops. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have experimented with various settings and find 2 seconds to be fair. It DOES work on both teams for those of you about to cry foul.
Not only that, but this thread is becoming monstruous for no apparent reason. The real discussion ended around page 4 I think. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
SPAWNCAMPING IS OK....
LONG AS UR KILLING TE HIVE/IPS TOO
ONE GUY CAMPING SPAWN WITH NO INTENTION OF KILLING A HIVE IS RETARTED...
3 GUYS CAMPING SPAWN WHILE SHOOTING THE HIVE IS DIFFERENT... AND OK since the hive is going down....
~Jason
The NSA pub? Because thats the server that has been driving me insane <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Play from like 12-2 EST (during the day)... you get a bunch of people like runo and dn` people and a bunch of consties and sometimes (unfortunately) chrispers <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Four Marines standing around, ignoring the hive, gunning for every skulk that spawns while the rest of them set up siege and you're stuck in the respawn que with everyone else on your team? That's BS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Two marines standing there, ignoring the hive, while the other two only shoot the hive is fine though. My opinion, at least. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually to me that seems perfectly fine, the 4 marines are keeping the aliens dead, while the rest of the team is sieging to finish off the hive. Though I'm sure 2 of the marines could shoot the hive with no harm no foul, but it isn't necessary if the rest of the team is setting up siege.
SPAWNCAMPING IS OK....
LONG AS UR KILLING TE HIVE/IPS TOO
ONE GUY CAMPING SPAWN WITH NO INTENTION OF KILLING A HIVE IS RETARTED...
3 GUYS CAMPING SPAWN WHILE SHOOTING THE HIVE IS DIFFERENT... AND OK since the hive is going down....
~Jason <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, you havent been reading anything have you?
I believe its the other way around. The single marine camping is a genius. Its when the alien team fails to stop him is where the retarded word should come in. If you know your team is being spawncamped I would suppose most intelligent people would think, "Hey lets save our spawn before more Marines get in." But in pub land its a different story and while their team is getting camped they go gorge and drop OC's in a vent or whatever.
It also provides an distraction for the aliens so now while hes camping. Atleast 2-3 skulks will come back leaving what? 2 skulks out on the field. Thus giving Marines more time to explore the dark deep secret maps and cap res.
I believe its the other way around. The single marine camping is a genius. Its when the alien team fails to stop him is where the retarded word should come in. If you know your team is being spawncamped I would suppose most intelligent people would think, "Hey lets save our spawn before more Marines get in." But in pub land its a different story and while their team is getting camped they go gorge and drop OC's in a vent or whatever.
It also provides an distraction for the aliens so now while hes camping. Atleast 2-3 skulks will come back leaving what? 2 skulks out on the field. Thus giving Marines more time to explore the dark deep secret maps and cap res. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are correct Duo...
I dont consider spawncamping when there are still aliens alive as spawncamping......
I consider spawncamping marines rushing a hive, and then a brawl ensues where 1-2 marines survive and all aliens die, and the marines just sit on a plethora of meds/ammo and kill the spawners while rines cap/elec/turret everything as spawncamping
If there are like 4 aliens alive and one guy in ur base, its not spawncamping... I only consider it spawncamping when there are no more survivors alive, and then it becomes camping... until then its fair game, but once the aliens are all dead please make an effort to kill the hive....
SPAWNCAMPING IS OK....
LONG AS UR KILLING TE HIVE/IPS TOO
ONE GUY CAMPING SPAWN WITH NO INTENTION OF KILLING A HIVE IS RETARTED...
3 GUYS CAMPING SPAWN WHILE SHOOTING THE HIVE IS DIFFERENT... AND OK since the hive is going down....
~Jason <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, you havent been reading anything have you? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The point is there is no right or wrong answer... i was Sarcastically being as rediculously retarted as everyone else...
14 pages of exactly what i posted, and we have gotten nowheres... (yes i have been reading it)
Everyone has an opinion, seeing as its an RTS, mine is spawncamping is legit until you've "won" that is, all/almost all aliens are dead and in spawn queue... at that point its time to beign shooting the hive.... Cuz it just becomes retarted real fast
~jason
SPAWNCAMPING IS OK....
LONG AS UR KILLING TE HIVE/IPS TOO
ONE GUY CAMPING SPAWN WITH NO INTENTION OF KILLING A HIVE IS RETARTED...
3 GUYS CAMPING SPAWN WHILE SHOOTING THE HIVE IS DIFFERENT... AND OK since the hive is going down....
~Jason <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, you havent been reading anything have you? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The point is there is no right or wrong answer... i was Sarcastically being as rediculously retarted as everyone else...
14 pages of exactly what i posted, and we have gotten nowheres... (yes i have been reading it)
Everyone has an opinion, seeing as its an RTS, mine is spawncamping is legit until you've "won" that is, all/almost all aliens are dead and in spawn queue... at that point its time to beign shooting the hive.... Cuz it just becomes retarted real fast
~jason <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It usually doesn't ever get to that point. In the past few months I've played, the rest of the marine team usually gets ther to back the lone marine up within a minute or so and helps end the game, or the marine in the hive gets killed.
Everyone except for kwikloader. Even Avenger, the guy who started this, I think now sees the difference between "good" and "bad" spawncamping, and why the community accepts one and rejects the other. Heck, kwikloader even admitted that Jane's tactic was acceptable, so I don't know why he's been arguing for this long. Me thinks he just likes the attention. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've allways relized spawn camping as a "valid tactic" I just thought it was frowned upon....
case in point... I play waterpolo if any of you hae ever seen it on the olympics or what have you... and while splashing water directly into your opentents eyes (due to the fact that you don't wear goggles in Waterpolo because you get hit in the fase a lot with balls and stuff) is considered a valid tactic, its still horrible frowned upon.. people who do it are cheap skates that can only level out the playing field with low blows like that.
I just think that on pub servers, heavy relliance on spawn camping is a low blow... were not talking comp here, because in comp both teams accecpt and know they have to deal with it and are usually capable of handling it. but in pubs... I just feel it lessens the fun level for all parties involved, including the spawn campers and the spawm campees
and I allso realize that some of you haven't bothered to read the thread... and so most of the 14 pages of this are all saying the pretty much the same thing from diffrent people execpt for a hand full of people that have taken the time to read it all... I'd just like to thank thoose who have taken that time to do so and keep bringing new material to the subject
AvengerX your stupid on so many levels. Spawn camping doesn't ruin any fun, it should teach people to get back to the hive or not let a safe-free path straight to the spawn.
And if there spawn camping to heighten there K:D. Then JUST f***ing F4 or RECYCLE and get the f***ing GAME DONE WITH SO A NEW GAME CAN START.
AvengerX your stupid on so many levels. Spawn camping doesn't ruin any fun, it should teach people to get back to the hive or not let a safe-free path straight to the spawn.
And if there spawn camping to heighten there K:D. Then JUST f***ing F4 or RECYCLE and get the f***ing GAME DONE WITH SO A NEW GAME CAN START. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
thank you for saying what has only been said... I dunnno ... 20 times? learn to read, anyways....
I can guess by your personallity and your attitude towards whats "fun" I'm guessing you have low self-esteem, based on your insults towards me I'd guess you probly don't like yourself very much and therefore have to throw dirt at others to make yourself feel better.... which allso explains why you like to spawn camp, its a easy way for you to get a lot of kills and feel good about yourself... I feel bad for you in a way, seeing how your life is based on getting kills in NS... but dont' worry maybe someday you'll meet a girl/ man (if thats what your into , it wouldn't suprise me) and things will work out for you... I wish you the best of luck
You MAY want to view the Community Guidelines Maruchan.
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thats true its not the only reason its done.. but the problem is when marines get spawncamped hard and no beacon is possible... then the aliens win really fast so new game starts BAM everyones happy... but when the aliens get spawn camped.... the marines just get lots of R4k res... the aliens sit there and die while they wait for all the nodes on the map to be capped and a full tech tree...THEN the game ends.... it just doesn't seem fun for one side huh?
AvengerX your stupid on so many levels. Spawn camping doesn't ruin any fun, it should teach people to get back to the hive or not let a safe-free path straight to the spawn.
And if there spawn camping to heighten there K:D. Then JUST f***ing F4 or RECYCLE and get the f***ing GAME DONE WITH SO A NEW GAME CAN START. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thank you for saying what has only been said... I dunnno ... 20 times? learn to read, anyways....
I can guess by your personallity and your attitude towards whats "fun" I'm guessing you have low self-esteem, based on your insults towards me I'd guess you probly don't like yourself very much and therefore have to throw dirt at others to make yourself feel better.... which allso explains why you like to spawn camp, its a easy way for you to get a lot of kills and feel good about yourself... I feel bad for you in a way, seeing how your life is based on getting kills in NS... but dont' worry maybe someday you'll meet a girl/ man (if thats what your into , it wouldn't suprise me) and things will work out for you... I wish you the best of luck <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When did I ever say that I spawn camped? AvengerX stop being a hypocrite, "You forgot to mention the part where you repeatedly called me a "**** camper" even before I actually started spawn camping." All you can say is that you tried very hard for an insult and all you did was fail. I feel bad for you that you bring up a topic that you know you’re going to get flamed and you just can't handle the criticism. Judging by your attitude and typing, I can assume just like you, that your fingers are too fat because of your massive typos or that you were extremely angered by my post and needed to reply as fast as possible to get your point across. Anyways my insult isn't an insult; it’s a fact, so learn the difference AvengerX. And try not to assume everything from an internet post, I could prejudge you as some loser because he has to complain about spawn camping which would lead to a conclusion that your some rag doll for some bully. Or the fact that you bring up a real life relationship to show how superior you are which would also conclude that your a loser because that is the only way you feel you can out-do someone;I assume that your boy/girl friend wouldn't like to be used as some trophy, right? So please AvengerX stop being stupid because your sheer dumbness is contagious.
What Marine team would waste its time doing a full tech up? Sure cap the res really fast because that takes like a minute when aliens are all dead. If this happened in a pub no marine team would wait for 3/3 ups and then kill the hive. Once the spawncamping beings it'll be a minimum 1-2 minutes before 5 other marines come. So its not so bad as it looks. Unless as one guy said the comm is REALLY slow at thinking and doesnt fully understand the game is most likely when the game will take forever to end.
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Who are YOU to make generalizations about psychological proccesses, and conditions.
Do you even study psychology, or did you read a few articles on CNN.com or Psychology Today to establish some sort of "logic" for your belief in Maruchan's "low self-esteem"
I guess the education process that people who actually know what they are talking about (i.e. Ph.D's, Psy.D's, LPC's and LCSW's) just goes out through the window with your brand new way of analyzing the human psyche.
Spawn camping also teaches players how to survive better. It'll make them better at the game eventually.
AvengerX your stupid on so many levels. Spawn camping doesn't ruin any fun, it should teach people to get back to the hive or not let a safe-free path straight to the spawn.
And if there spawn camping to heighten there K:D. Then JUST f***ing F4 or RECYCLE and get the f***ing GAME DONE WITH SO A NEW GAME CAN START. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thank you for saying what has only been said... I dunnno ... 20 times? learn to read, anyways....
I can guess by your personallity and your attitude towards whats "fun" I'm guessing you have low self-esteem, based on your insults towards me I'd guess you probly don't like yourself very much and therefore have to throw dirt at others to make yourself feel better.... which allso explains why you like to spawn camp, its a easy way for you to get a lot of kills and feel good about yourself... I feel bad for you in a way, seeing how your life is based on getting kills in NS... but dont' worry maybe someday you'll meet a girl/ man (if thats what your into , it wouldn't suprise me) and things will work out for you... I wish you the best of luck <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When did I ever say that I spawn camped? AvengerX stop being a hypocrite, "You forgot to mention the part where you repeatedly called me a "**** camper" even before I actually started spawn camping." All you can say is that you tried very hard for an insult and all you did was fail. I feel bad for you that you bring up a topic that you know you’re going to get flamed and you just can't handle the criticism. Judging by your attitude and typing, I can assume just like you, that your fingers are too fat because of your massive typos or that you were extremely angered by my post and needed to reply as fast as possible to get your point across. Anyways my insult isn't an insult; it’s a fact, so learn the difference AvengerX. And try not to assume everything from an internet post, I could prejudge you as some loser because he has to complain about spawn camping which would lead to a conclusion that your some rag doll for some bully. Or the fact that you bring up a real life relationship to show how superior you are which would also conclude that your a loser because that is the only way you feel you can out-do someone;I assume that your boy/girl friend wouldn't like to be used as some trophy, right? So please AvengerX stop being stupid because your sheer dumbness is contagious. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't trying to insult you, I was just feeling bad for you. thats all, and if my attitude towards killings jews (for example this is a 100% hypothetical) is pro kill jews, even if I don't kill jews, I'm still a nazi that should be shot.... get my point skin head?
anyways.... I'm trying to convince people to take the higher road. thats all, and I know a lot of poeple disagree but thats whats great about this world, you can think whatever you want... its called freedom. and I can assume all I want, thats my right. and everytime your grubby little paws touch the keyboard you just give me more and more information , so I don't need to assume as much and I just know that your a moron for a fact.. at first it was somewhat hazy ... but now ya made it pretty clear
It's not a low-blow, this is a direct disparity between the marine's intelligence, and the alien's stupidity.
It's not like spraying water in the other guy's eyes, because he can't really avoid that. But in the case of spawn camping, it's completely within the alien's sphere of control. It IS their base, after all.
Avenger, please, let's establish some facts.
-Spawn camping is a byproduct of the negligence of the team that's being inflicted upon.
-This is not an exploit, and this is an opportunity ready to be taken. Who dares, wins.
-You are of slightly low intelligence, and your grasp of situational awareness is abysmal.
As a comm, I tend to win the fastest way possible, depending on the skill and obedience of my marines. Usually if 3/4 of the alien team is dead, I'll just PG rush it and end it right then and there.
and why, may i ask, is this so?