Should I Overclock?

IsamilIsamil Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23552Members, Constellation
Well, I just got this new CPU fan(TT Polo 735) to replace my old stock AMD cooler. Very nice, I used to hit 70C in games, now I hover around 45(less if I raise the fan speed)

So since I have so much new cooling power, should I overclock it? And where would I find good guides on this.

Comments

  • ToneeTonee Wub wuB UK Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21926Members, Constellation
    edited November 2004
    should really over clock with water cooling - but that's my opinion, you can't keep a stable system for long with just air

    I don't think the o/c with air cooled will be benificial - but that's through me asking questions/research on www.ocforums.com
  • antifreezeantifreeze The guy with the goods! Join Date: 2003-05-12 Member: 16232Members, Constellation
    edited November 2004
    What processor is it on? In terms of GHz

    I need a new cooler for my pc. It's a silent cooler but just under normal load it hits about 65C and about 75C flatout
  • SandrockSandrock Join Date: 2002-12-16 Member: 10905Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    You dont need water cooling to overclock. I have a 770 mhz overclock on my AMD chip on high-end air cooling (meaning a GIANT hunk of copper with heatpipes) and its completely stable. Good air cooling will net you great results, at a much cheaper price and is safer to use (water leaks are bad).
  • ChargeCharge Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13144Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Tonee+Nov 4 2004, 06:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tonee @ Nov 4 2004, 06:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> should really over clock with water cooling - but that's my opinion, you can't keep a stable system for long with just air <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    what the **** are you talking about?
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Charge+Nov 4 2004, 10:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Charge @ Nov 4 2004, 10:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tonee+Nov 4 2004, 06:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tonee @ Nov 4 2004, 06:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> should really over clock with water cooling - but that's my opinion, you can't keep a stable system for long with just air <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    what the **** are you talking about? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    he's not sure, obviously, just wanted to sound knowlagable. (Note, I know nothing about Ocing <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    Yes, melt that AMD.. melt it do the ground. :-)

    I am not sure if you should, although it might increase performance, where is swiftspear when you need him?
  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    The question is not if you should, more like if you need.
    Do you need extra prozessor power? Do you feel comfortable losing CPU warranty and risking a possible CPU overheat?
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    If your chip is recent enough, and are totally satisfied with it, I would say, go for silence rather than raw power. Only freaks need stuff to be done in 2.9 seconds instead of 3
  • funbagsfunbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members
    You will only see a performance boost if you overclock 2-3mhz. On an athlon, it will heat up a lot, even with the 200mhz. With an air cooler, my rig gets so hot as to shut itself off.

    Volcano 12
    Athlon 64 3800.

    I don't suggest it, unless of course its an XP or something, and want to OC it 3-4 mhz.

    But the rule of thumb is never OC more than 20% of your original clock speed.
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sandrock+Nov 4 2004, 10:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sandrock @ Nov 4 2004, 10:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You dont need water cooling to overclock. I have a 770 mhz overclock on my AMD chip on high-end air cooling (meaning a GIANT hunk of copper with heatpipes) and its completely stable. Good air cooling will net you great results, at a much cheaper price and is safer to use (water leaks are bad). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What heatsink do you use? I never bought the giant Thermaltake sink I was planning on getting, so I'm looking around to see if there's anything better for air cooling.
  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    If you can't afford to buy a new proc, then don't do it.
  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-funbags+Nov 4 2004, 07:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Nov 4 2004, 07:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You will only see a performance boost if you overclock 2-3mhz. On an athlon, it will heat up a lot, even with the 200mhz. With an air cooler, my rig gets so hot as to shut itself off.

    Volcano 12
    Athlon 64 3800.

    I don't suggest it, unless of course its an XP or something, and want to OC it 3-4 mhz.

    But the rule of thumb is never OC more than 20% of your original clock speed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    you have a 3800+, why would you <i>want</i> to overclock it?

    the watercooling required to get a decent overclock out of it costs about the same as a FX-55
  • SandrockSandrock Join Date: 2002-12-16 Member: 10905Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Narfwak+Nov 4 2004, 12:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narfwak @ Nov 4 2004, 12:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Sandrock+Nov 4 2004, 10:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sandrock @ Nov 4 2004, 10:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You dont need water cooling to overclock. I have a 770 mhz overclock on my AMD chip on high-end air cooling (meaning a GIANT hunk of copper with heatpipes) and its completely stable. Good air cooling will net you great results, at a much cheaper price and is safer to use (water leaks are bad). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What heatsink do you use? I never bought the giant Thermaltake sink I was planning on getting, so I'm looking around to see if there's anything better for air cooling.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I use the Thermalright SP97. <a href='http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/main_product_sp97.htm' target='_blank'>Specifications here</a>. I've also heard the new SI-97 is great as well.
  • BeastBeast Armonkyi Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15731Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-funbags+Nov 4 2004, 06:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Nov 4 2004, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You will only see a performance boost if you overclock 2-3mhz. On an athlon, it will heat up a lot, even with the 200mhz. With an air cooler, my rig gets so hot as to shut itself off.

    Volcano 12
    Athlon 64 3800.

    I don't suggest it, unless of course its an XP or something, and want to OC it 3-4 mhz.

    But the rule of thumb is never OC more than 20% of your original clock speed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not always the case:

    I have an Amd Athlon 2500XP - barton core. And a Coolermaster aero-7 cooler.
    Base speed (Mhz): 1800
    Current speed: 2200.

    My temps never go above 54'c <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RueRue Join Date: 2002-10-21 Member: 1564Members
    I have a Athlon64 3000 @ 2ghz

    I run at 40-50deg depending on load. I did o/c to 2.2ghz with a 10deg increase in temprature but I didnt see that huge an improvment so I just brought it back down.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Beast+Nov 4 2004, 09:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beast @ Nov 4 2004, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-funbags+Nov 4 2004, 06:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Nov 4 2004, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You will only see a performance boost if you overclock 2-3mhz. On an athlon, it will heat up a lot, even with the 200mhz. With an air cooler, my rig gets so hot as to shut itself off.

    Volcano 12
    Athlon 64 3800.

    I don't suggest it, unless of course its an XP or something, and want to OC it 3-4 mhz.

    But the rule of thumb is never OC more than 20% of your original clock speed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not always the case:

    I have an Amd Athlon 2500XP - barton core. And a Coolermaster aero-7 cooler.
    Base speed (Mhz): 1800
    Current speed: 2200.

    My temps never go above 54'c <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    there's specific chips that do wonders in OC'ing. The barton 2500+ to 3200+ is probably the current trend, but I heard the slowest '64 in 90 nm was really good too.
  • IsamilIsamil Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23552Members, Constellation
    edited November 2004
    Oh yes, this might be useful...
    Athlon XP 2800+ Barton

    Oh and I belive I've already voided the warrenty by installing the new cooler.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    You don't break your warranty by installing a new cooler, you break it by telling it to them. Just don't say you changed it and you should be fine (be sure that in this case you clean the processor of any thermal compound should you change the processor)
  • IsamilIsamil Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23552Members, Constellation
    I find it greatly unlikely that I could do that since I don't even have the thermal paste used to put it on anyway.
  • funbagsfunbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Beast+Nov 4 2004, 02:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beast @ Nov 4 2004, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-funbags+Nov 4 2004, 06:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Nov 4 2004, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You will only see a performance boost if you overclock 2-3mhz. On an athlon, it will heat up a lot, even with the 200mhz. With an air cooler, my rig gets so hot as to shut itself off.

    Volcano 12
    Athlon 64 3800.

    I don't suggest it, unless of course its an XP or something, and want to OC it 3-4 mhz.

    But the rule of thumb is never OC more than 20% of your original clock speed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not always the case:

    I have an Amd Athlon 2500XP - barton core. And a Coolermaster aero-7 cooler.
    Base speed (Mhz): 1800
    Current speed: 2200.

    My temps never go above 54'c <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The rule of thumb applies to lifespan. I guantee you that a normal barton 2500 will last longer.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Isamil+Nov 4 2004, 06:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Isamil @ Nov 4 2004, 06:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, I just got this new CPU fan(TT Polo 735) to replace my old stock AMD cooler. Very nice, I used to hit 70C in games, now I hover around 45(less if I raise the fan speed)

    So since I have so much new cooling power, should I overclock it? And where would I find good guides on this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Over clock a few FSB, test the temperature and stability, and if your still sitting pretty try it again. Do this a couple times until you either recieve a temperature too high for your liking or your system reaches unstable status. Then clock it back down to what ever it was the time before the last time its was stable/cool enough. Your system will be fine.
  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The rule of thumb applies to lifespan. I guantee you that a normal barton 2500 will last longer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Of course you can guarantee that, since it can't be disproven without an awful lot of money and effort. But it's not a very nice thing to do, to spread "information" that is very difficult to back up and quite speculative.

    (The lifespan on CPUs varies alot inherenetly, so if nothing happens you can just say he was lucky with his overclock, and if it eventually breaks you can blame it the overclocking <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)

    One thing you should know about the manufacturing of processors though is that faster processors aren't generally made to be faster. An athlon XP 2500+ isn't an athlon XP 2500+ until it has been classified as such, meaning they make generic athlon-xps with say the barton core and some stepping and test them to determine what they could sell them as. They generally err on the safe side, a processor should work allright in a somewhat poorly aircooled machine with the stock fan. If you increase cooling you get more head room, it's extremely speculative to suggest that lifespan suffers at all if you add better cooling(as in this case) and overclock it while still maintain lower temperatures than before and stock voltage.

    Another question one might ask, have you ever had a processor die by being "worn out"(e.g. by electromigration and such) before it was retired to the trash heap? Overclocking is certainly a risk, but just as to how large the risks are I don't think anyone has any ideas.
  • funbagsfunbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Nov 4 2004, 09:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Nov 4 2004, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The rule of thumb applies to lifespan. I guantee you that a normal barton 2500 will last longer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Of course you can guarantee that, since it can't be disproven without an awful lot of money and effort. But it's not a very nice thing to do, to spread "information" that is very difficult to back up and quite speculative.

    (The lifespan on CPUs varies alot inherenetly, so if nothing happens you can just say he was lucky with his overclock, and if it eventually breaks you can blame it the overclocking <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)

    One thing you should know about the manufacturing of processors though is that faster processors aren't generally made to be faster. An athlon XP 2500+ isn't an athlon XP 2500+ until it has been classified as such, meaning they make generic athlon-xps with say the barton core and some stepping and test them to determine what they could sell them as. They generally err on the safe side, a processor should work allright in a somewhat poorly aircooled machine with the stock fan. If you increase cooling you get more head room, it's extremely speculative to suggest that lifespan suffers at all if you add better cooling(as in this case) and overclock it while still maintain lower temperatures than before and stock voltage.

    Another question one might ask, have you ever had a processor die by being "worn out"(e.g. by electromigration and such) before it was retired to the trash heap? Overclocking is certainly a risk, but just as to how large the risks are I don't think anyone has any ideas. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Getting too hot for 3 seconds can severely damage your proccessor, No, it's not hard information to comprehend.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-funbags+Nov 5 2004, 12:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Nov 5 2004, 12:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Nov 4 2004, 09:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Nov 4 2004, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The rule of thumb applies to lifespan. I guantee you that a normal barton 2500 will last longer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Of course you can guarantee that, since it can't be disproven without an awful lot of money and effort. But it's not a very nice thing to do, to spread "information" that is very difficult to back up and quite speculative.

    (The lifespan on CPUs varies alot inherenetly, so if nothing happens you can just say he was lucky with his overclock, and if it eventually breaks you can blame it the overclocking <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)

    One thing you should know about the manufacturing of processors though is that faster processors aren't generally made to be faster. An athlon XP 2500+ isn't an athlon XP 2500+ until it has been classified as such, meaning they make generic athlon-xps with say the barton core and some stepping and test them to determine what they could sell them as. They generally err on the safe side, a processor should work allright in a somewhat poorly aircooled machine with the stock fan. If you increase cooling you get more head room, it's extremely speculative to suggest that lifespan suffers at all if you add better cooling(as in this case) and overclock it while still maintain lower temperatures than before and stock voltage.

    Another question one might ask, have you ever had a processor die by being "worn out"(e.g. by electromigration and such) before it was retired to the trash heap? Overclocking is certainly a risk, but just as to how large the risks are I don't think anyone has any ideas. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Getting too hot for 3 seconds can severely damage your proccessor, No, it's not hard information to comprehend. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's one hell of a synopsis.
  • mirrodinmirrodin Join Date: 2004-06-29 Member: 29621Members
    A: Only if you know what you are doing, melting your CPU sucks big time.
  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Getting too hot for 3 seconds can severely damage your proccessor, No, it's not hard information to comprehend.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well, so will putting voltage across random pins on the processor for no reason and it makes about as much sense. Your processors temperature is not going to shoot into the stratosphere if you check that it is well within tolerable and then nudge either frequency (or voltage but that you have to be extra carefull with) up a bit, only a fool would, say, up the voltage to 1.8v and nudge the frequency up 500 MHz, a sensible person goes there step by step, raising voltage only if needed, checking temperatures and a quick check on stabillity.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited November 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-mirrodin+Nov 5 2004, 01:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mirrodin @ Nov 5 2004, 01:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A: Only if you know what you are doing, melting your CPU sucks big time. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You don't really run a massive risk of that if you OC properly though.

    [edit] Read: I would do it anytime with any CPU that had a decent aftermarket HS/fan, without thinking twice about it.
  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    i think i've already damaged the life of my processor.

    It didn't come with a cooler, (OEM) so i bought one, little did i know that it was onyl suitable for processors up to 3.2, ANd i didn't put the thermal paste on it.

    it frequently hit 70C in games


    I can't overclock anyway <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (damn you to hell intel mobo!)
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