Ns Hitbox Controversy Announcemnt

That_Annoying_Kid · October 2004

So I just noticed that Joev posted a nice thought out thorough description on the hitbox code that was left commented out for some time in an [IMHO] very succefull attempt at quashing the rumour mill. After reading the post I have a much firmer grasp of what actually happened with that. I would like to thank Joev for taking the time to keep us civilians in the know on what really went down.

I also noticed he [or someone else] changed his member title, so I have to go update the list.

obuh · October 2004

Thank you for this precious information, joev. Evil eggs !

Kezei · October 2004

Indeed. Your time is much appriciated joev <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' />

DragonMech · October 2004

Much <3 Joev. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

rennex · October 2004

Haha the preparation for our NYC lan broke the game, thats awesome <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

gopher · October 2004

I did not get out of the announcement if the fix was *only* for the fade, or if it fixes the various hitbox issues with the skulk, too. Can someone shed light on this? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

ElvenThief · October 2004

Yes. It's basically fixing the way that NS traces all hitboxes, not just the fades.

Mendasp · October 2004

It basically implies that it's more based on the models themselves instead of a big box, so that's a yes.

Damn, beaten!

Redford · October 2004

Favorite things to do during egg crash buillds: Rush MS as aliens and then have everyone egg to gorge at the same time. Hilarious.

Cyndane · October 2004

I can not say I am really computer literate when it comes to programming.
However, joev made it so even I can understand the basic principles.
Much thanks. :-)
*hugs*

Diablo_fx · October 2004

Much <3 joey :>

joev · October 2004

Glad it cleared up the confusion for you guys.

And yes, it applies to all models.

My tip: when you get your hands on the next release, shoot a lerk in an outstretched wingtip <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

joev.

Vahn_Paktu · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Oct 20 2004, 11:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Favorite things to do during egg crash buillds: Rush MS as aliens and then have everyone egg to gorge at the same time. Hilarious.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
That was fun in the Constie tests until someone found out the knife didn't crash it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>My tip: when you get your hands on the next release, shoot a lerk in an outstretched wingtip </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /> Can't wait to try it.

Supernorn · October 2004

I remember a time when joev was called DONTSHOOTHEEGGS!

aaah... the good old days of testing

DC_Darkling · October 2004

EVIL EGG.. KILL IT...
lol. great we still can now without crashes.

Does this also mean skulk can run through onos legs or is that 2 much? Anywayz way cool, so thanks.

Mendasp · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (D.C. Darkling @ Oct 20 2004, 08:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Does this also mean skulk can run through onos legs or is that 2 much? Anywayz way cool, so thanks.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
That's related to the onos hull (which is a huge box), so no.

TheAdj · October 2004

So when I shoot a skulk with a shotgun, it will actually die if the appropriate number of pellets hit it now? If it does, let me have your babies joev. Really.

crisano · October 2004

Don't do it Joev, or your babies will be half packmules!

a_civilian · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendasp @ Oct 20 2004, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (D.C. Darkling @ Oct 20 2004, 08:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Does this also mean skulk can run through onos legs or is that 2 much? Anywayz way cool, so thanks. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
That's related to the onos hull (which is a huge box), so no.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
More like a small box. At least, small relative to the model.

Alkiller · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (crisano @ Oct 20 2004, 03:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Don't do it Joev, or your babies will be half packmules!  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

I'm scared.

Thanks joev. gogogo code surfing!

[Deleted User] · October 2004

hmm so skulks gonna die even easier now.. donno if thats a good or bad thing... a single rine can can already get 3 or 4 easily at the starrt of a round by himself

i could see this leading to a slight skulk buff in health/armour, but yey for fixes!

Mendasp · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (a civilian @ Oct 20 2004, 09:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendasp @ Oct 20 2004, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (D.C. Darkling @ Oct 20 2004, 08:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Does this also mean skulk can run through onos legs or is that 2 much? Anywayz way cool, so thanks. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
That's related to the onos hull (which is a huge box), so no.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
More like a small box. At least, small relative to the model.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Being a mapper... it's a pain in the **** making everything bigger because the onos has a fat ****... so I consider it huge <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Zek · October 2004

Is there any relationship between this and the new hitbox issues that people have been complaining about in Beta 5?

Alkiller · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (`G` @ Oct 20 2004, 03:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> hmm so skulks gonna die even easier now.. donno if thats a good or bad thing... a single rine can can already get 3 or 4 easily at the starrt of a round by himself  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
No worries, I talked to a playtester. He told me...

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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I'm so excited.

im_lost · October 2004

Since the hull is smaller than the hitbox, can a gorge effectively hide "inside" an onos to prevent shots from hitting the gorge?

ANeM · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (supernorn2000 @ Oct 20 2004, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I remember a time when joev was called DONTSHOOTHEEGGS!

aaah... the good old days of testing  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Egg rushing Marine start FTW <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

semipsychotic · October 2004

The only major hitbox issues I knew of dealt with crouching fades as well as all of the 1.0X issues. I also vaguely remember something (maybe in the bugtracker) about solid projectile (bile bomb and acid rocket, for example) weapons only colliding with the hull. Question one, were there any other MAJOR hitbox issues that I didn't know about? Question two, does this code deal with forcing projectile-types to ignore hulls and collide with hitboxes?

(Allkiller, you deserve a cookie.)

j235 · October 2004

I normally play on FF servers so this is gonna be sweer!

No more hitting my crouching buddies in front of me while shooting above his head (I HOPE!)

Nemesis_Zero · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (`G` @ Oct 20 2004, 07:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> hmm so skulks gonna die even easier now.. donno if thats a good or bad thing... a single rine can can already get 3 or 4 easily at the starrt of a round by himself

i could see this leading to a slight skulk buff in health/armour, but yey for fixes!  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Well, I guess we'll have to test that <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

SVisions · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheAdj` @ Oct 20 2004, 02:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> So when I shoot a skulk with a shotgun, it will actually die if the appropriate number of pellets hit it now? If it does, let me have your babies joev. Really. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I think that problem is something else. You'll notice for the most part, if the skulk is standing still, your pellets will hit just fine. But if that skulk celerity leaps at you, good luck on those pellets hitting, especially if you try and shoot it head on.

Again assuming I interpreted this all right, the new hitbox code will fix our problems with ducked fades (which, don't get me wrong - is nice), and a few other things which are unimportant but cool, like being able to shoot between the legs of an onos. However it does not fix the so called "lagging hitboxes" of fast moving aliens, which is what I have the biggest problem with, correct me if I'm wrong here though.

illuminex · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>hmm so skulks gonna die even easier now.. donno if thats a good or bad thing... a single rine can can already get 3 or 4 easily at the starrt of a round by himself

i could see this leading to a slight skulk buff in health/armour, but yey for fixes! </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

They already said there would be some fairly decent sized changes in Beta 6. I'd love to finally play a great version of NS again, in between Gangwars games of course. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Ns Hitbox Controversy Announcemnt

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