I'm fourth kyu in Yoseikan ryu Karate. That's purple with a white stripe. What colour belt someone is is fairly meaningless since every ryu is going to have a different belt system, but most seem to have ten kyus and then ten dans.
Anyway, while tournament fighting is based trying to hit people in certain places, but that doesn't mean you can't hit someone wherever you like in a real fight. Kihon (basics) and Kata are only part of Karate, there <i>is</i> Kumite (fighting) as well.
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<!--QuoteBegin-various gun nuts+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (various gun nuts)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I doent no matrial arts but guns pwn tehm LOL! kthxbie<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is not a debate about the most efficient way to kill someone. [violent flame self-censored]. Go away. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Its not about being allowed to hit people wherever you want, its based on fact, fact dictates that hitting people in the arms, sholders, chest or what not, is not going to do alot of damage, and it is therefore much better to hit for the head face or various weak regions. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Arms? Shoulders? Chest? I Didn't say anything about that. Below black belt, they're just teaching us to hit as hard as we can. It's not like the procedure for hitting someone in the face or the guts is different from hitting them anywhere else. Cut out the "based on fact" crap and try making some sense instead.
<!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Oct 15 2004, 12:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Oct 15 2004, 12:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I really don't understand the point of martial arts - lets face it: in a real fight, they are not going to be attempting to score "points" by hitting you in the chest. They'll just headlock you bring you down and stomp on you while you're on the ground.
Although, I took nearly 2 1/2 years of TaeKwonDo, which was pretty much useless.
If you want, you can take the martial arts for exercise, though, they have some neat techniques for exercising, which will help you a lot. I mean, doesn't punching and kicking come naturally? What exactly do they teach you that's useful? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My mate Lee told me about the hand to hand combat training they do in the Royal Marines last year was very interesting.
On his troop there was 2 people with black belts in karate and an alleged kickboxing expert and they all got they arses handed to them by the corporal. The corporal wasn't a martial arts expert he just got inside the guards of the blackbelts and took em down, same with the kickboxer.
yea, that's the Gracie method of whopping ****. Make them fall down and they don't fight so good no more. To be realy combat effect you need alot of cross training in juijitsu (not judo) and some striking form.
Last Gracie fight i watched (long ago) the guy was getting his **** handed to him by a thai kickboxer, becuase the boxer knew just enough about ground fighting to not give him an opening.
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<!--QuoteBegin-illuminex+Oct 14 2004, 08:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (illuminex @ Oct 14 2004, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jiujitsu is sometimes called the "Granddaddy" of all martial arts, because it can be traced back form Japan to China to India. Modern defensive styles such as "Aikido" and "Judo" come from Jiujitsu masters who wanted to develop certain defensive aspects of Jiujitsu into entirely new styles. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey,
I've previously been a student of Tae Kwon Do, Karate and a little of various other things, and I'm about (tomorrow, actually) to start going back to Hung Kuen Kung Fu after 4 months off.
Just posting to remind you that a lot of martial arts all claim that 'initial' martial art designation, because throughout history there has been a lot of cross-teaching, outright stealing, date miscalculation and all sort sof other gubbins. So while Ju Jitsu may have that claim, it doesn't necessarily make it accurate. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
@ pjofsky : Note that TKD is known for being more of a sport than a combat effective art. That's not to insult it, because a <b>good</b> practicioner can be lethal, it's just not very practical compared to a lot more of the 'infighting' style arts.
It entirely depends on what you want to get out of it. If you want to be combat effective, learn something like Krav Maga, and scare your opponent to death (used by the Israeli Army, and known for sheer lethality factor, but it's not like you can have a friendly spar in it) I want a bit of both, hence Hung Kuen. It's very effective exercise, and still usually applicable.
I enjoy a good spar, especially when it's hard fought, and the feeling from taking a good blow and giving one is very therapeutic, but I also would like to feel that should I be attacked, I know something that might give that little swine the shock he deserves.
I heard you couldn't really find anyplace to learn Krav Maga outside the isreali army. What i've always wanted to learn was russian Somba. that's a badass grappling style.
<!--QuoteBegin-UZi+Oct 17 2004, 12:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UZi @ Oct 17 2004, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Talk to the Israelis, they have an entire martial art including the Use of firearms
It's the deadliest and most practical use of martial arts known to man. Also one of the most deadliest since it actually trains you to kill the person. If you use force you go all the way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have been taking Krav Maga classes since June and it certainly is a dangerous fighting technique to train with and use. I began training because of my work in law enforcement and has definately trained me to react to numerous situations.
Being able to disarm someone with a handgun, knife, stick, and just hand-to-hand, it's a very very fast-react way to defend and overtake your opponent. The method of operation is to, when attacked, turn that attack around and pretty much beat your enemy into incapacitation or to the point where you can run away. Street fighting.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Suicidal Tendencies+Oct 17 2004, 12:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Suicidal Tendencies @ Oct 17 2004, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-UZi+Oct 17 2004, 12:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UZi @ Oct 17 2004, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Talk to the Israelis, they have an entire martial art including the Use of firearms
It's the deadliest and most practical use of martial arts known to man. Also one of the most deadliest since it actually trains you to kill the person. If you use force you go all the way. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I have been taking Krav Maga classes since June and it certainly is a dangerous fighting technique to train with and use. I began training because of my work in law enforcement and has definately trained me to react to numerous situations.
Being able to disarm someone with a handgun, knife, stick, and just hand-to-hand, it's a very very fast-react way to defend and overtake your opponent. The method of operation is to, when attacked, turn that attack around and pretty much beat your enemy into incapacitation or to the point where you can run away. Street fighting. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My judo instructor was a former israeli soldier, Six Day War vet, came here to go to school got married became a citizen was mayor for a short time. We use to train with many weapons including knives. He had a unqiue way of training he would sometimes use a marker in the same way. You would try to stab him and somehow he would slit your own throat with it. He was awesome. He still goes to my gun range on occation.
American Kenpo. The best benefit was that my dedicated training personally suited to me resulted in some insane speed. I'm small but I could move my right hand so fast that even sparring opponents who had fought me before and knew it was coming could not do anything. POW I hit them and that's all it takes no matter how big they were. I go into a combo of anything I want after that, they're disoriented, I win. Too bad my speed is gone now after so many years.
I can kick, scratch and bite when provoked. But you're not allowed to punch me in the face, or I'll cry like a schoolgirl. Now excuse me while I rant about how guns are much better than martial arts to boost my self-esteem.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripur+Oct 17 2004, 10:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ripur @ Oct 17 2004, 10:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yea, that's the Gracie method of whopping ****. Make them fall down and they don't fight so good no more. To be realy combat effect you need alot of cross training in juijitsu (not judo) and some striking form.
Last Gracie fight i watched (long ago) the guy was getting his **** handed to him by a thai kickboxer, becuase the boxer knew just enough about ground fighting to not give him an opening. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> To the Gracies credit, they were just a bunch of little guys, but they compleatly changed the face of compeditive fighting in just a short time because they were taking out huge guys who had trained striking thier whole life. Without the Gracies, UFC probably wouldn't be dominated by ground and pounders, pitfighters, and submission grapplers nearly the same way it is today. That being said, if you want to win a fight, know what you're doing on the ground first, and standing second.
I haven't really learned martial arts per se. It's more of a hereditary trait I got from my father.
Well, that, and his dreaded Martial Arts videos I ended up watching a lot <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So practically, I haven't enrolled in any courses, but I only know the basic techniques of where to strike. I'm currently looking for Kendo or Aikido classes but my job is sort of a full day job, so no martal arts at all. Maybe until I get out of this apartment....
Though I do know how to kill a person VERY quickly for some weird reason o_O; I'm not kidding either. I beat up a certain person who studied Karate before in Canada....I almost choked him to death, and he kept away from me ever since <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So no, it's ot a good idea to hand around me when I'm in a bad mood ^_^;
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I'm fourth kyu in Yoseikan ryu Karate. That's purple with a white stripe. What colour belt someone is is fairly meaningless since every ryu is going to have a different belt system, but most seem to have ten kyus and then ten dans.
Anyway, while tournament fighting is based trying to hit people in certain places, but that doesn't mean you can't hit someone wherever you like in a real fight. Kihon (basics) and Kata are only part of Karate, there <i>is</i> Kumite (fighting) as well.
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<!--QuoteBegin-various gun nuts+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (various gun nuts)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I doent no matrial arts but guns pwn tehm LOL! kthxbie<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is not a debate about the most efficient way to kill someone. [violent flame self-censored]. Go away. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its not about being allowed to hit people wherever you want, its based on fact, fact dictates that hitting people in the arms, sholders, chest or what not, is not going to do alot of damage, and it is therefore much better to hit for the head face or various weak regions. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Arms? Shoulders? Chest? I Didn't say anything about that. Below black belt, they're just teaching us to hit as hard as we can. It's not like the procedure for hitting someone in the face or the guts is different from hitting them anywhere else. Cut out the "based on fact" crap and try making some sense instead.
Although, I took nearly 2 1/2 years of TaeKwonDo, which was pretty much useless.
If you want, you can take the martial arts for exercise, though, they have some neat techniques for exercising, which will help you a lot. I mean, doesn't punching and kicking come naturally? What exactly do they teach you that's useful? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My mate Lee told me about the hand to hand combat training they do in the Royal Marines last year was very interesting.
On his troop there was 2 people with black belts in karate and an alleged kickboxing expert and they all got they arses handed to them by the corporal. The corporal wasn't a martial arts expert he just got inside the guards of the blackbelts and took em down, same with the kickboxer.
Last Gracie fight i watched (long ago) the guy was getting his **** handed to him by a thai kickboxer, becuase the boxer knew just enough about ground fighting to not give him an opening.
Hey,
I've previously been a student of Tae Kwon Do, Karate and a little of various other things, and I'm about (tomorrow, actually) to start going back to Hung Kuen Kung Fu after 4 months off.
Just posting to remind you that a lot of martial arts all claim that 'initial' martial art designation, because throughout history there has been a lot of cross-teaching, outright stealing, date miscalculation and all sort sof other gubbins. So while Ju Jitsu may have that claim, it doesn't necessarily make it accurate. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
@ pjofsky : Note that TKD is known for being more of a sport than a combat effective art. That's not to insult it, because a <b>good</b> practicioner can be lethal, it's just not very practical compared to a lot more of the 'infighting' style arts.
It entirely depends on what you want to get out of it. If you want to be combat effective, learn something like Krav Maga, and scare your opponent to death (used by the Israeli Army, and known for sheer lethality factor, but it's not like you can have a friendly spar in it) I want a bit of both, hence Hung Kuen. It's very effective exercise, and still usually applicable.
I enjoy a good spar, especially when it's hard fought, and the feeling from taking a good blow and giving one is very therapeutic, but I also would like to feel that should I be attacked, I know something that might give that little swine the shock he deserves.
- Shockwave
What i've always wanted to learn was russian Somba. that's a badass grappling style.
<a href='http://www.kravmaga.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.kravmaga.com/</a>
It's the deadliest and most practical use of martial arts known to man. Also one of the most deadliest since it actually trains you to kill the person. If you use force you go all the way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have been taking Krav Maga classes since June and it certainly is a dangerous fighting technique to train with and use. I began training because of my work in law enforcement and has definately trained me to react to numerous situations.
Being able to disarm someone with a handgun, knife, stick, and just hand-to-hand, it's a very very fast-react way to defend and overtake your opponent. The method of operation is to, when attacked, turn that attack around and pretty much beat your enemy into incapacitation or to the point where you can run away. Street fighting.
<a href='http://www.kravmaga.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.kravmaga.com/</a>
It's the deadliest and most practical use of martial arts known to man. Also one of the most deadliest since it actually trains you to kill the person. If you use force you go all the way. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have been taking Krav Maga classes since June and it certainly is a dangerous fighting technique to train with and use. I began training because of my work in law enforcement and has definately trained me to react to numerous situations.
Being able to disarm someone with a handgun, knife, stick, and just hand-to-hand, it's a very very fast-react way to defend and overtake your opponent. The method of operation is to, when attacked, turn that attack around and pretty much beat your enemy into incapacitation or to the point where you can run away. Street fighting. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My judo instructor was a former israeli soldier, Six Day War vet, came here to go to school got married became a citizen was mayor for a short time. We use to train with many weapons including knives. He had a unqiue way of training he would sometimes use a marker in the same way. You would try to stab him and somehow he would slit your own throat with it. He was awesome. He still goes to my gun range on occation.
It's Dave! ACTION RABBI!
What's up with them crazy jews?
It comes from India.
Kalaripayattu.
<a href='http://www.kalaripayattu.org/history.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.kalaripayattu.org/history.htm</a>
Last Gracie fight i watched (long ago) the guy was getting his **** handed to him by a thai kickboxer, becuase the boxer knew just enough about ground fighting to not give him an opening. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
To the Gracies credit, they were just a bunch of little guys, but they compleatly changed the face of compeditive fighting in just a short time because they were taking out huge guys who had trained striking thier whole life. Without the Gracies, UFC probably wouldn't be dominated by ground and pounders, pitfighters, and submission grapplers nearly the same way it is today. That being said, if you want to win a fight, know what you're doing on the ground first, and standing second.
Fighting is bad, baddddddd.
If I could, I would take Jeet Kun Do, but there aren't any schools around my area =\ and to top it off, Martial Arts is expensive anyway...
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Well, that, and his dreaded Martial Arts videos I ended up watching a lot <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So practically, I haven't enrolled in any courses, but I only know the basic techniques of where to strike. I'm currently looking for Kendo or Aikido classes but my job is sort of a full day job, so no martal arts at all. Maybe until I get out of this apartment....
Though I do know how to kill a person VERY quickly for some weird reason o_O;
I'm not kidding either. I beat up a certain person who studied Karate before in Canada....I almost choked him to death, and he kept away from me ever since <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So no, it's ot a good idea to hand around me when I'm in a bad mood ^_^;