Onos/lerk Papercut

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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-SinSpawn+Sep 25 2004, 12:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SinSpawn @ Sep 25 2004, 12:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Good ol UK pennies. Gimme 100 and I could have a £ <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I prefer money I can acctually type o.O
  • ZycaRZycaR Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8263Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-RPG_Jssmfulhud+Sep 25 2004, 05:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RPG_Jssmfulhud @ Sep 25 2004, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That onos looks awesome. But 12 hours of putting it together? Paper? Ouch... I'm used to make plastic models, but paper.. Argh.. Good work. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteBegin-RPG_Jssmfulhud+Sep 25 2004, 05:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RPG_Jssmfulhud @ Sep 25 2004, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->That onos looks awesome. But 12 hours of putting it together? Paper? Ouch... I'm used to make plastic models, but paper.. Argh.. Good work.  <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    h3h3h3h3 no creating from paper .. 12 hours I create papercut in computer (3DStudio, Photoshop ...) ..

    collection model from paper cca 2-3 hours <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    about TENKAI .. It's good for lowpoly models like this IP, but aliens models are too complex for TENKAI. This Program cut it to many little plieces withouit human intuition


    BTW: Got progress with GORG <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--> !!!50%!!! ..
  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    Can anyone of you please post/PM me how the hell to do this? I printed them both out and.. I'm totally lost. I want an onos and lerk in 3d. Please help meh <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Alkiller+Sep 26 2004, 10:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Alkiller @ Sep 26 2004, 10:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Can anyone of you please post/PM me how the hell to do this? I printed them both out and.. I'm totally lost. I want an onos and lerk in 3d. Please help meh <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Same here, its quite hard actually.
  • chippychippy Join Date: 2003-03-04 Member: 14307Members
    yes it took me a few gos on paper 1st to see where everything went. then i transfered it to card - and enlarged it. both v. good advice.

    the bigger and stiffer the better!

    do a paper go 1st, see where things are meant to go, and then work out a plan of attack,
  • BlackPlagueBlackPlague Join Date: 2004-02-02 Member: 25990Banned
    Can someone do all of the aliens? ill pay a very handsome payment for all of the aliens <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> maybe 50$ and all of the marines. HA, regular marine, marine with jp, and the command center for another 70$

    and if you can make all of the alien and marine structures, theres another 150$ payment <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->



    50
    70
    150
    _____
    270$ -- very handsome <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • kabo0mkabo0m KT of Insomniacs Anonymous Gaming Community Join Date: 2004-08-06 Member: 30415Members
    wow you must not be some 13 year old kid to wanna pay that much for paper NS characters
  • JulienJulien Join Date: 2003-09-02 Member: 20495Members
    <u>A quick guide to papercraft and the onos:</u>

    This is just typed out on the spur of the moment, since I notice some people needing a little help. I’m no expert, but have picked up this papercraft hobby a couple months before this appeared. I’ll share what I’ve figured out so far about the onos as I go along.

    (btw, this is a -great- model. I love it, and can’t wait for the gorge.

    But this is also not a simple or beginner’s model by any means. It will take a lot of patience to build this if you aren’t a master at this already. So take a deep breath, and resign yourself to taking slow hours to build this up.)

    First things first, equipment you’ll need:
    - <b>The 3-sheet printout of the onos </b>
    (preferably on cardstock, that’s around 110lb, or 200-220 gsm paper.)

    You might be able to do this on thinner paper, it might make the folds easier, but I would think it’ll make the final onos quite flimsy. I’m working on 220gsm card, thanks to a prior papercraft addiction, so that’ll be the baseline for this “follow-as-I-go-along” tutorial.

    <b>- Sharp scissors
    - A sharp penknife/blade
    - Something to score lines with </b>(a blunt penknife works well, with a light touch)
    - <b>A cutting mat</b> (if you don’t want to leave great big scars in your work surface)
    - <b>Steel ruler</b>

    Now I’m sure you could build this with less equipment, but if you plan on making a lot of these models, these are pretty cheap and not worth skimping on. The better tools you have, the less pain and more enjoyment you’ll have, with better control.

    Obvious safety tips: Cut away from yourself. Don’t use too much force if your blade is blunt. If the card won’t cut through on the first attempt, just repeat the motion until it finally cuts through – may take two or three times.

    All this is common sense, but I’d thought I’d mention it. I said “yea yea yea” to all this stuff too until I stuck a blade deep into my thumb. Nothing like bleeding like a stuck pig to make you aware of safety again.

    And lastly, you’ll need

    - <b>something to stick everything together.</b>

    I use Elmer’s white glue for this.

    I tried gluesticks, but the tabs for the onos model are a bit small and fiddly, the model curves a lot, and the glue doesn’t dry quite fast enough. So keep those aside for flatter models.

    Lots of other types of glue will probably work as long as they’re stronger than white glue. UHU glue, etc.

    Brave people might try superglue, but that’s probably overkill. If you make a alignment mistake, you can’t fix it fast enough, and you might just end up with half an onos stuck to your hand. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • JulienJulien Join Date: 2003-09-02 Member: 20495Members
    <u>The First Steps:</u>

    Grab some reference pictures. The pic of the onos at the start of this thread, and opening the alien5.mdl (onos) in Half-Life model viewer works well. That’ll give you a place to start comparing your 2d card to the 3d thing itself.

    <i>[I am building my onos fairly erratically atm, snatching hours after work, just shaping any piece that I can cut out, but I don’t think you want to start with a leg here, a horn there, etc. So I’ll try to go from the head inwards. I’ll update as I figure out which pieces go where.]</i>

    The basic idea is simple:
    <b>1) Cut out outline and tabs
    2) Score greylines and fold carefully
    3) Glue the piece together, then look for other pieces to connect to it</b>

    We’ll start with what I’ve done with the head:

    Look at the reference pics of the onos and find those teeth on the printout. Unmistakeable.

    There should be one upper jaw piece that’s all teeth, and two big pieces which include the lower jaw and part of the head (left and right sides).

    <b>Step 1:</b>
    Cut out the upper jaw piece. Carefully, goes without saying. All along the outlines and the tabs.

    <b>Step 2:</b>
    You should have noticed there are some very faint grey lines on the piece itself, making up the triangular faces of the model.

    We want to score these. Scoring means to make a very very light cut along the line. Do NOT cut through it. (not unless you want to play 3d jigsaw with triangles and scotchtape).

    Some of these lines can be obscured by the dark-colored onos skin texture. Make your best guess as to where the lines are, and score it. I’ve noticed all form triangles.

    This is painstaking work, but stay calm and patient.

    You then want to gently fold along all the scored lines and form a 3d shape.

    For the upper jaw, you should notice that as you fold, one tab on each side (in between the flaps) seems to slip naturally under the textured bits.

    (The other two tabs on the sides proper are for connecting the upper jaw to the rest of the head.)

    Test the fit by folding it without glue. When you’re satisfied…

    <b>Step 3:</b>
    Apply your glue on the tabs, and connect the jaw together. Hold them in place until the glue dries.

    It may also help to rest one surface against the tabletop, and press the glued-up tab against that surface with something long and thin, like a pen or screwdriver. Your mileage may vary. Whatever seems easier and looks good to you.

    In the end, you should have a curved upper jaw shape.

    Hooray, celebrate, try not to think that you’ll have to do this all over again for all the OTHER pieces!

    Heh heh. Ok, now repeat steps 1-3 on the other two shapes you’ve cut out. Left and right sides of the head should start taking shape.

    There’s one tab on the lower jaw that’s for joining both sides of the head together.

    Notice there’s a gap above where the lower jaw is...that, oh...seems to fit the upper jaw! (Duh. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )

    Glue upper jaw in place.

    My model’s jaws overlap, I don’t know if yours will as well. So anyhow, decide for yourself if the onos looks better upper jaw over lower, or the other way around. I doubt it makes a significant difference.

    Celebrate again. You should have something that almost looks like a bit of a head at this point.

    Now scan your printout again and look for the onos’ unmistakable (if small) yellow eyes. They should be found on one long piece connected to the bony bits. Cut out that piece, score, fold, yadda yadda.

    Figuring out how this piece joined to the head was a little tricky. First I found the fit for the eyes, but couldn’t figure out the top part, then I thought I’d glue where the eyes were first.

    (Imo, if you don’t know where a tab goes for sure, leave it alone and don’t glue it yet until you figure it out.)

    Then I somehow turned the head upside down and didn’t realize it, and couldn’t fit the piece for the life of me while the glue happily dried. Oh well.

    By comparing with the reference pics, as far as I can guess, the top part where the bone is, forms a raised ridge.

    Glue together, and yay, you have more of an onos head.

    I’ll see if I can get a pic up some time to show this in more detail, but hopefully this should get those still nervous about the model started. As long as you do it carefully, and take your time, you should get the hang of it and catch on.

    The scoring and folding step is very important, the more care you spend on it, the better your final result will look.

    Don’t be too nervous to just give it a shot. After all, what’s the worst that can happen? You ruin the page and have to print out a new one. But you got some practice in.

    P.S. This is written from memory, so I hope it accurately describes the tabs you’ll find. I’ll check later.

    I’ll add more later as I figure out how the horns and stuff fit together.
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    wow julien very nice guide <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • girl_tweedgirl_tweed Join Date: 2004-07-31 Member: 30267Members
    This is just too cool! I'll try making the onos and lerk this weekend and have a little Kharaa family to play with. O_O!!!!
  • a8085a8085 Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9775Members, Constellation
    This is awsome. Good work man.
  • Fog_cartoonsFog_cartoons Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20658Members
    I say we sticky it. Who's with me!
  • kabo0mkabo0m KT of Insomniacs Anonymous Gaming Community Join Date: 2004-08-06 Member: 30415Members
    I 2nd the sticky <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BlackPlagueBlackPlague Join Date: 2004-02-02 Member: 25990Banned
    edited September 2004
    i favor the sticky!!! ^_^

    im going to add a fan propellor to the back of the lerk, and [edit]attach[/edit] a string to it and then to the roof, and then watch it spin! YAAAAAAAAAAY! lol



    This would ROCK if we had like a paper hmg model, or a shotgun! hah
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    for any of you who are new to the cut and fold thing, i have made 2 kind of guides for people pm'ing me and ill just post them here so i dont have a full pm box in a matter of days.

    <img src='http://www.pfcook.force9.co.uk/ipmarking.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />


    ive only done the cut lines on the resource node as the fold lines are so blatent.

    <img src='http://www.pfcook.force9.co.uk/alkiller.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
  • BlackPlagueBlackPlague Join Date: 2004-02-02 Member: 25990Banned
    genius! pure fing genius!!!! i love you c3!!! ill love you more if you can do the commander chair <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    Make me a paper HMG. <b>Then</b> I'll be impressed. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    1:1 scale
  • kabo0mkabo0m KT of Insomniacs Anonymous Gaming Community Join Date: 2004-08-06 Member: 30415Members
    lol what is he your personal paper making slave? lol oops .. I forgot the admin doesn't like the use of lol <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BlackPlagueBlackPlague Join Date: 2004-02-02 Member: 25990Banned
    edited September 2004
    well here is my first attempt at this. its pretty hard >_< lol but you get used to it i guess.


    COMMANDER! WE NEED MORE IP'S!!! lol
  • lillbrorsanlillbrorsan Join Date: 2003-08-21 Member: 20060Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I love it I LOVE IT!!!

    We need more zip files with some papercuts to play with
  • IBTIBT Join Date: 2003-10-22 Member: 21879Members
    make thousands and sell/send (preferred send) to the ungifted! (me)
  • BlackPlagueBlackPlague Join Date: 2004-02-02 Member: 25990Banned
    .10cents for every ip, and 25cents per resnode unit <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    C3- Fix the resnode, its crooked, and when you cut and fold, it comes out all hinky dinky :/
  • JulienJulien Join Date: 2003-09-02 Member: 20495Members
    Right, here’s an update on my onos progress.

    Put together the bone plate of the onos’ head (the one with a circle right in the center), and had a hard time trying to squeeze it into the already formed head. If I was doing it all over again, I would recommend starting with these bone plates first, and connect the rest to it.

    Figured out the side horns, and stuck them to the growing head as well. Midway scoring the center horn and hoping it’ll fit into the last gap remaining.

    Here are two pics of the onos template, with pieces of the onos head labelled in the way I think would be easiest to fit together.

    Cut out, score, fold A1 and A2. Glue together. Leave aside.

    Cut out B, score and fold. Fit this to the joined A piece.

    Cut out C1 and C2, score and fold, join together, fit to A & B.

    Cut out D, score, fold, etc. Think you get the picture.

    Will label more pieces as they fit together. This should get those who need a starting pointed started. For those who need help with the actual folds and tabs, afraid you’ll have to wait until I get time and a camera to do a step-by-step thing (which may take a while) or for someone else to beat me to it first. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Onos Template 1:
  • JulienJulien Join Date: 2003-09-02 Member: 20495Members
  • BlackPlagueBlackPlague Join Date: 2004-02-02 Member: 25990Banned
    edited September 2004
    very nice guide there <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> hope you finish the damn thing so i can see if im doing this right lol


    Tools-
    Here are some tools that i think you guys SHOULD use to cut these out <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Razor blade with top covering.
    PenKnife
    Metal Ruler - to keep straight cuts.
    Elmer glue - for cheap paper
    Krazy glue - for tough, hard paper
    string and tape - use this for lerk! spin your lerk around and do the dotsey dough! <spell check please>
  • JulienJulien Join Date: 2003-09-02 Member: 20495Members
    Slightly off-topic:

    It's no Hmg or lmg, but until someone does a NS version, this might be the closest papercraft version. Looks like it eats printer ink. But wow.

    <a href='http://aliens.humlak.cz/aliens/Aliens_papirove_modely/papercraft/m41.html' target='_blank'>http://aliens.humlak.cz/aliens/Aliens_papi...rcraft/m41.html</a>
  • kabo0mkabo0m KT of Insomniacs Anonymous Gaming Community Join Date: 2004-08-06 Member: 30415Members
    impressive and it seems relatively related to me.
  • TheTitanTheTitan IL, USA Join Date: 2003-08-28 Member: 20307Members, Constellation
    you guys should look at some of the other things on that side, there is some really good papercut stuff
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