How Do U Define The Word Cheat
Lofung
Join Date: 2004-08-21 Member: 30757Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">ah lol.</div> someone asked.
what are cheats/are they cheats
1. using plugin programs like OGC
2. changing skins / changing models
3. cc block
4. increasing gramma for easier seeing of cloaked aliens
5. scripting (like the bunnyhop ones)
one more question, which of them deserves a ban?
edit: the last question
what are cheats/are they cheats
1. using plugin programs like OGC
2. changing skins / changing models
3. cc block
4. increasing gramma for easier seeing of cloaked aliens
5. scripting (like the bunnyhop ones)
one more question, which of them deserves a ban?
edit: the last question
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For example, wallhacking is a cheat, as it allows you to see through walls. Powerstrip isn't a cheat in itself, but I seem to remember that it can be used to give an advantage through one of its features; doing <i>that</i> would be cheating. Bunnyhopping hasn't been what I'd call cheating for a while now, since it was officially endorsed in one of the patches (they deliberately kept it for aliens). Most scripts that I know of aren't cheats, as they don't do anything you couldn't do yourself with more button presses.
The rest is all fine with me.
2: depends on if they are for exploitive purposes. If someone's using spiked models or white textured models, yes. Otherwise probably no.
3: cc blocking isn't cheating in any form... in the event of blocking a vent per say, it may be lame, but not cheating. I wouldn't consider it bannable in nearly all of the cases.
4: again... not really cheating. Nor would I consider it bannable.
5: Not cheating, nor should it be bannable.
If a server op doesn't want people to script or change certain sprites/models/etc... just turn on mp_blockscripts 1 and mp_consistency 1
So heavy scripting to be able to score a LOT more kills than your fellow aliens is cheating to me.
A simple script that allows for fast weapon switching (as with the "last inv" command) is not cheating as it is openly available in the menu itself (broadening it a bit isnt bad either).
Things like wallhacks, custom skins, etc are always considered cheats/exploits by me. Simply because they get around certain limits the game gives to a certain team to make the game "enjoyable" the way it should be.
I, myself, turn up my gamma all the way simply because if I do not, I cannot manage to see the game itself very well. I have never used it to spot a cloaked alien (unless the skulk is stupid enough to try and sneak up on me in VERY VERY bright light).
CC spamming is not cheating or an exploit as such. It is in the game, costs a WHOLE lot of res and it is up to the devs to decide if it is kept in or not. As long as the devs do not fix it I consider it a feature (alas a very annoying one).
Just my 2c
Duh. Using any type of hack=bant
2. changing skins / changing models
Well, unless its a mp_consistency(I don't think I can spell) server, its fine usually..just don't have fullbright models, etc
3. cc block
Its an exploit. CCs are not designed to be used for anything else besides well, commanding. Also goes for dropping CCs in front of OCs(Does that still work?)
4. increasing gramma for easier seeing of cloaked aliens
Theres a cap for gamma anyway I belive
5. scripting (like the bunnyhop ones)
There is no such thing as a bunnyhop script:There is still no such thing as a bunnyhop script. Some scripts are considered explotive. Not most.
1. using plugin programs like OGC
Steam will ban account for that alone.
2. changing skins / changing models
that depends, if you change light rines into a skinny master cheif from halo, its good, its fine, but if you add a 500 meter spike on the cheifs head, its h4xing.
3. cc block
this is just not cool at all. anthough its not a cheat, but an explot, a self respecting commander would never do it.
4. increasing gramma for easier seeing of cloaked aliens
it is true, light is one of the main things to seeing cloaked ailens, anthough im not sure if its a cheat or not.
5. scripting (like the bunnyhop ones)
no, scripts are just like a robotic arm. you grow attached to it and cant do much without it when its gone. there like the button to turn your computer on. sure, you can go through the wires and turn it on that way, but it would be so much easer to press that one button. i reccomend not useing scripts unless you can do what that script does without it.
6. one more question, which of them deserves a ban?
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well, duh.
2. changing skins / changing models
it depends, as some people have said, birght glowing/spiked models that were built to be exploitive of course, but nicer looking ones obviously not.
3. cc block
lame? sometimes. cheating? hardly. if somone does that i might reprimand them if they use it to wall of marine start in a losing game, or if they block an important vent with it, but blocking an onos´ escape with one or somthing, no, thats just good tactics (well, tf is better but for arguments sake..)
4. increasing gramma for easier seeing of cloaked aliens
i put this in the same catigory as turning up your volume to hear them better, not a cheat, but pretty lame if you crank it way up just for that reson.
5. scripting (like the bunnyhop ones)
again: depends, most scripts are totally harmless, while there are some exploitive _special scripts, there are soooooo many others that make things a little less annoying, or are simply a matter of taste.
one more question, which of them deserves a ban?
#1 and certain instences of #5 or #2, but only if the script/model is highly exploitive, slightly exploitive ones should get a waring/kick first.
2. changing skins / changing models
3. cc block
4. increasing gramma for easier seeing of cloaked aliens
5. scripting (like the bunnyhop ones)
one more question, which of them deserves a ban?
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1. Cheat and permanent ban.
2. Not cheat, no punishment. Assuming these are legit models and skins and not exploitive ones such as spiked and bright coloured ones.
3. Not cheat, no punishment.
4. Nothing you can do about this, no way to tell if a player is doing it.
5. Not cheat, no punishment.
It wasnt included in the game and helps people shortcut jumping in tight spots continuously. Unfair on people who dont have a jumpbot/script. You CAN consider this as a 'hack'.
<u>Wallhack: Cheat</u>
It wasnt included in the game and helps people see through walls to allow them to set up traps of cloak+focus kills unfairly. Also allows ppl to see buildings through walls so they will never again run into an oc wall behind a door or a mine. Some hackers use a glow effect effect which shows all models bright, also giving them the ability to see cloaked aliens clear as daylight (then when the aliens dead they say that its easy to see the cloak effect when of course its completely invisible).
I see 1/9 ppl with this.
<u>Rapid-fire handgun script: Cheat</u>
It wasnt included in the game, if other people cant fire all handgun bullets in a second then neither should you. Often people give the excuse that they have binded their mouse-roller up/down to fire, this is rubbish, i did it myself and found that the handgun never even responded to most rolls.
<u>Speedhack: Cheat</u>
It wasnt included in the game, it allows people to fire at a higher speed than others. Speedhack can allow people to fire at the speed of x1.01 to xAll clip/energy at once.
<u>Aimbot: Cheat</u>
It wasnt included in the game, allows people to fix thier cursors onto either an alien player or marine player and never lose track of the opponent until the model dissapears after death. Commonly used throughout NS and is very commonly binded to a secondary fire button to help avoid detection whenever people are spectating.
<u>Custom Spray: OK</u>
Although it doesnt come with the game, it does not alter gameplay or main aspects of the game in anyway. Looks coolies too.
No matter what the next set of posts say about this message, they are all wrong and denying what is probably what they have or want. Nor will i reply to any posts that will spring up from this message.
Say what you want, what you see in THIS post is the untwisted, uncritisised and unaltered truth.
Have a nice day!
-Ken
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Bhopping IS part of the game, and the Devs included it.
Scripting, the commands for it are in the game, and the proof of its endorsment, is the command to let servers that wont allow them, bloock them.
It wasnt included in the game and helps people shortcut jumping in tight spots continuously. Unfair on people who dont have a jumpbot/script. You CAN consider this as a 'hack'.
<u>Wallhack: Cheat</u>
It wasnt included in the game and helps people see through walls to allow them to set up traps of cloak+focus kills unfairly. Also allows ppl to see buildings through walls so they will never again run into an oc wall behind a door or a mine. Some hackers use a glow effect effect which shows all models bright, also giving them the ability to see cloaked aliens clear as daylight (then when the aliens dead they say that its easy to see the cloak effect when of course its completely invisible).
I see 1/9 ppl with this.
<u>Rapid-fire handgun script: Cheat</u>
It wasnt included in the game, if other people cant fire all handgun bullets in a second then neither should you. Often people give the excuse that they have binded their mouse-roller up/down to fire, this is rubbish, i did it myself and found that the handgun never even responded to most rolls.
<u>Speedhack: Cheat</u>
It wasnt included in the game, it allows people to fire at a higher speed than others. Speedhack can allow people to fire at the speed of x1.01 to xAll clip/energy at once.
<u>Aimbot: Cheat</u>
It wasnt included in the game, allows people to fix thier cursors onto either an alien player or marine player and never lose track of the opponent until the model dissapears after death. Commonly used throughout NS and is very commonly binded to a secondary fire button to help avoid detection whenever people are spectating.
<u>Custom Spray: OK</u>
Although it doesnt come with the game, it does not alter gameplay or main aspects of the game in anyway. Looks coolies too.
No matter what the next set of posts say about this message, they are all wrong and denying what is probably what they have or want. Nor will i reply to any posts that will spring up from this message.
Say what you want, what you see in THIS post is the untwisted, uncritisised and unaltered truth.
Have a nice day!
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Bhop: It was left in the game and there is a thread somewhere on the board that gives the config entries for it. Anyone can do it. If you can't then you must have a substandard IQ (Try Googleing for Bhop Tutorials)
Wallhack, Speed Hack, AImbot: Duh
teh 1337 pistol scripts: MWHEEL binding does fire obscenly fast, there is a RoF cap anyway.
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You have little to know clue of what you speak. Your opinion shall be discarded.
Bunnyhopping is a game feature, seeing as it was INTENTIONALLY LEFT IN for the KHARAA ONLY. THAT MAKES IT INCLUDED IN THE GAME. The ONLY problem with it is that it's not accessable to new players. That's all. Anybody with half a brain cell can google for bunnyhopping and find out how to do the basics and even get a basic 3jumps script. They shouldn't HAVE to, I admit, but it's still there.
As for scripting....it's in the game engine. Its function is to provide those willing to learn how to do so the ability to make their controls work practically how they want them to, aside from the limitations that they suffer from (waits locking up the client so a script has to finish executing before a client can do anything). It's simple to learn how to make the most basic (and useful) of scripts. Saying that it's cheating is so redundant it's not funny.
Myg0t's got nothing on me. +Attack bound to Mouse1 baby!
1. there is no gamma setting that lets you see cloaked aliens. try it out.
2. nothing wrong with scripts.
EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS PLEASE?
1. there is no gamma setting that lets you see cloaked aliens. try it out.
2. nothing wrong with scripts.
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No, I will continue to come on these forums and complain about something other people learned to do, but I'm too lazy to learn how to do it, therefore I'll keep crying about it until the dev team fixes my laziness.
1. there is no gamma setting that lets you see cloaked aliens. try it out.
2. nothing wrong with scripts.
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No, I will continue to come on these forums and complain about something other people learned to do, but I'm too lazy to learn how to do it, therefore I'll keep crying about it until the dev team fixes my laziness. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll only stop complaining and whining when the game is changed and balanced so that I am the only one who is the #1 player in every NS server. Scripts make other people better than me and kill me so obviously it's cheating, I mean, whoever kills me cheats! The only way I think scripts aren't cheating is if I can have one where I press a button and kill everyone on the other team in ten seconds!
It's those vets, they're always "Cutomizing" their damn controls, we all know it's just plain hacks. How else can they aim so good?
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Surely an advantage of any kind is by its very nature unfair?
Seriously, this is very quickly going to turn into a pro/anti scripting debate, so just lock it before it gets there.
The only thing I would consider as a "cheat" would be using a client-hook such as OGC.
Sure super-bright models and such give an unfair advantage, but so does playing the game more than the person using them.
(And I work for a major GSP)
To sum up the rest of the thread:
Anti-Scripters - Scripts are hacks, they give you an unfair advantage
Pro-Scripters - Scripts don't give you any advantage, it's just a preference
Anti-Scripters - Scripts let you bhop perfectly and shoot 10 pistol rounds in under a second
Pro-Scripters - No such script exists, and pscripts fire under the RoF cap (and can also freeze up your keyboard if made badly)
Anti-Scripters - Having to know how the HL engine works to use scripts mean they are bad.
Nemesis Zero - (witty coment) ***LOCKED***
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my sources tell me light gamma 0 and 1 where the same as lightgamma 1.5
never went bellow 1.5 :/
shouldve done a little research now :o
edit: i define cheating as using a third party program to see through walls or aim for you or changing to spiked models or some such that people really dont bother with, or maybe texture files being changed
another edit: bind mwheelup "+jump" thats a killer bhop hack there.....
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I've also heard cri have teh LAGG0RR ATTACK HA4X?!!?