<!--QuoteBegin-DR_FUZZY+Aug 14 2004, 08:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DR_FUZZY @ Aug 14 2004, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, we can always email iD, their good guys and im sure they wouldent mind some converts <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Go for it.
Sheena, its Conversions not Conversations <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Also, why you need so desperately to warn everybody who wants to do somekind of conversion about copyrights, its not like their gona sue you Sheena. Your simply not protecting your own intrests, and you certainly don't have the need to protect ID's intrests. if you really have the burning need to protect someones copyrights, email the author, don't start posting about copyright laws.
<!--QuoteBegin-Aka'lamanaia+Aug 15 2004, 02:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aka'lamanaia @ Aug 15 2004, 02:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sheena, its Conversions not Conversations <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Also, why you need so desperately to warn everybody who wants to do somekind of conversion about copyrights, its not like their gona sue you Sheena. Your simply not protecting your own intrests, and you certainly don't have the need to protect ID's intrests. if you really have the burning need to protect someones copyrights, email the author, don't start posting about copyright laws. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you really dont get it?
what about us? what about our board? what about our game? i really dont care about id software or any other company
do you really want to risk all that because someone else really wants to release potential lawsuit happy material ? i bet its also not very good for flayras team and his company, for the case he would need one day a puplisher for his finished version of ns... in the case of a court order flayra have to shut down this place.thats very good for the image. why are some peoples so smallminded, and cant think a little bit farther. yeah.. im ripping sometimes stuff too(from my original copys), but i wont release them, even when they are pretty nice lookin.
i have no problem with peoples ripping from their legitimate copy of doom3 for themself, and use them for their game. but why are some peoples releasing this source material on our board ? releasing it to peoples who are potential not owning a copy of doom3?
if the phrase "potential not owning" comes into the game it would be better not releasing that kind of stuff... i think it would be ok if you are able to do a installer for the model with a doom3 cd checker <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
decompiling,ripping and extracting material ,code analysis of software falls under back engineering and is forbidden for non educational reasons.
when you could get a ok from ID software, that would be cool, but i dont think not the "ID staff" themself are able to give you permission.. ( i dunno if they would, but im sure they really cant) i dont think their marketing department and legal department would be happy about such a request (like extracting models and sounds from their product, and releasing them.)
if you really cant resist to release this models , share them privatly, on irc or somewhere else..
I don't like the Hole idea of putting CD keys for the password of a conversation,Say if sombody has doom 3 and that guy who has doom 3 has a freind who ask him can I have doom 3 cd key?and then he gives it to him then somehow he gets doom 3 illeagly,I say it again if your going to release a conversation always ask the author.
<!--QuoteBegin-SWAT Pointman+Aug 15 2004, 03:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SWAT Pointman @ Aug 15 2004, 03:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't like the Hole idea of putting CD keys for the password of a conversation,Say if sombody has doom 3 and that guy who has doom 3 has a freind who ask him can I have doom 3 cd key?and then he gives it to him then somehow he gets doom 3 illeagly,I say it again if your going to release a conversation always ask the author. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ive meant a original cd check , not the key.. the check should be able to check the intact copy protection and the product itself before it gives the ok to extract the model data . <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> its so silly its almost to complicated to realize, but it would be legal. aww..but this includes the process of back engineering their copy protection... and i think licensing the protection would be way to expensive for such a little installer.
and if your friend is so stupid to give away a cdkey, he should be beaten to death with wet noodles
Uh, hate to bust a bubble or two here, but how is a Doom 3 model being put into NS any different from say, a Pulse Rifle, Smartgun, Jin-Roh MG44 (or whatever it was) etc.? Why would Doom3 models be special? If you were going to close everything for copyright infringement, you'd have to close about 80% of customization since a lot of weapons are hackjobs, etc.
<!--QuoteBegin-DR_FUZZY+Aug 14 2004, 07:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DR_FUZZY @ Aug 14 2004, 07:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, we can always email iD, their good guys and im sure they wouldent mind some converts :) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Probably not.
id has foxed mods in the past for using their IP. Hell they even foxed Generations for quake 2 cause they used q1 and doom/doom2 content. (Generations q3 did everything from scratch that's why it was okay)
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Aug 15 2004, 03:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Aug 15 2004, 03:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Uh, hate to bust a bubble or two here, but how is a Doom 3 model being put into NS any different from say, a Pulse Rifle, Smartgun, Jin-Roh MG44 (or whatever it was) etc.? Why would Doom3 models be special? If you were going to close everything for copyright infringement, you'd have to close about 80% of customization since a lot of weapons are hackjobs, etc. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> and yes i know that.. do you realize how much lawsuit happy material is in this board around already? because nobody really thinks about that...
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Aug 15 2004, 03:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Aug 15 2004, 03:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DR_FUZZY+Aug 14 2004, 07:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DR_FUZZY @ Aug 14 2004, 07:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, we can always email iD, their good guys and im sure they wouldent mind some converts <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Probably not.
id has foxed mods in the past for using their IP. Hell they even foxed Generations for quake 2 cause they used q1 and doom/doom2 content. (Generations q3 did everything from scratch that's why it was okay) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why would NS even get involved? Flayra doesn't acknowledge the existance of any 3rd party model in his mod, and it's not released with it. Being scared the id would shut down everything in a heartbeat is frivulous, since theoretically following this silly logic I could put a stolen part in my car and the cops would shut down Toyota.
I can go into any game, like say, homeworld, right now, rip the music and sounds, and use them. And apparently UWE is going to get pantsed for that? Did the RIAA shut down any ISPs for 'allowing people to download music'? No. And frankly, they'd be more at fault then UWE would be for this.
DOOManiac, there's a difference - the Generations mod was released with protected material. NS isn't.
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Aug 15 2004, 03:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Aug 15 2004, 03:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Aug 15 2004, 03:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Aug 15 2004, 03:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DR_FUZZY+Aug 14 2004, 07:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DR_FUZZY @ Aug 14 2004, 07:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, we can always email iD, their good guys and im sure they wouldent mind some converts <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Probably not.
id has foxed mods in the past for using their IP. Hell they even foxed Generations for quake 2 cause they used q1 and doom/doom2 content. (Generations q3 did everything from scratch that's why it was okay) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why would NS even get involved? Flayra doesn't acknowledge the existance of any 3rd party model in his mod, and it's not released with it. Being scared the id would shut down everything in a heartbeat is frivulous, since theoretically following this silly logic I could put a stolen part in my car and the cops would shut down Toyota.
I can go into any game, like say, homeworld, right now, rip the music and sounds, and use them. And apparently UWE is going to get pantsed for that? Did the RIAA shut down any ISPs for 'allowing people to download music'? No. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> statements like this will send the world to hell sooner or later..
in fact ive seen cops confiscate whole cars just because of a stolen car radio ...
you need to read more carefully..youre allowed to use ripped content for yourself
Cars are considered a mobile crime scene in the eyes of the law and a flight risk, and that's perfectly within rights, which is why cops don't need a warrent to search your car.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you need to read more carefully..youre allowed to use ripped content for yourself <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And where in this thread did anyone suggest that the Imp replacement be an official model?
****, Valve cared more about the HL2 leak then id cared about the doom 3 leak. And you can't get much more 'stolen' then that.
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Aug 15 2004, 03:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Aug 15 2004, 03:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cars are considered a mobile crime scene in the eyes of the law and a flight risk, and that's perfectly within rights, which is why cops don't need a warrent to search your car. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> whatever... ive cleared my point of view on this issue. and dont be silly to think you could legitimate it somehow...
And I think the fact that NS has never cared about 3rd party models based on other company's intellectual property in the past, there is absolutely no reason to give Doom 3 special treatment. Full steam ahead, I say!
Unless you care to give one reason why this <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=76327&hl=halo' target='_blank'>this</a> should be allowed but an Imp shouldn't? I've never seen you complain in the past about this, why start now?
Oh yes the Avp2 models, nobody was steaming about Copyrights then..Heck someone is even releasing re-skins of them every while and then, heck Armslab even hosts one.
hmmmm, i think its a good idea for a pack,and there are MANY copyright issues wih doing it,but as with AVP2 they have basically the same message as doom3 when you first install it, so i mean if they look the other way for AVP why the hell not for Doom3
P.S.i think personally, that animated right,the Hell knight could make a freaking AWESOME onos(animated right meaning on both feet not like hes playing horsey with the damn marines)i mean fade allready has most the onos animations and there is allready a like devil fade or whatever for Onos, just scale it up and do a little editing of the animations.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
I'm sorry but I've gotta go with Sheena on this.
A lot of companies are getting reeeal sue happy right now, and the only reason a Halo pack would probably be okay is because Bungie hasn't shown any signs. I see your point their EEK, but its a matter of risk. iD is just the kind of company to go "Oh, hi. Bubye." at something just to protect their rights, mostly because they got screwed in the past.
Isn't the copyright act supposed to protect companies from losing revenue and to protect thier material from being used to gain profit?
If this is the case then it should be fully ok for the conversions. If we were suing them to make a profit or to use them for personal gain then obviously we shouldn't be allowed. I personally think that just using it in another game is ok as long as it's not used to damage the property of ID or to cause any damage to thier profit intake.
In my opinion it's not an issue of copyright or other legalities (though that's a valid and strong argument). My main beef with conversions is an ethical one - would <i>you</i> want your hard work to be pulled out of its original context, slapped into a far inferior setting (ie from a fancy engine into an ancient one) and then spread around the internet - with or without crediting you?
If you want to see an imp in NS, make one. Done properly it will be better than a ripped one anyway, since ripped models will be set up to take advantage of shader features not present in HL.
<!--QuoteBegin-Maus+Aug 18 2004, 06:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maus @ Aug 18 2004, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In my opinion it's not an issue of copyright or other legalities (though that's a valid and strong argument). My main beef with conversions is an ethical one - would <i>you</i> want your hard work to be pulled out of its original context, slapped into a far inferior setting (ie from a fancy engine into an ancient one) and then spread around the internet - with or without crediting you?
If you want to see an imp in NS, make one. Done properly it will be better than a ripped one anyway, since ripped models will be set up to take advantage of shader features not present in HL. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> as long as credit is given where credit is due, i would not mind my work being sought after for other venues, as long as it is skillfully done and not commercially exploited. In fact I would be flattered that my work is so appreciated and versatile it is ported to different contexts. i would like to be notified, however, but this is unlikely in our circumstance given the legal implications.
you are right, however, that the ported models will look less impressive in the HL engine, as the glistening shader effects will be lost
if someone (or team) does make a port over, it would be fantastic if they also changed the green infestations textures in the wads to look more like the doom3's growth of pulsating bloody flesh, or at least the blood splatter and stains
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
Let me ask a silly question.
Understanding that
1. Due to legal copywrite issues, it might potentialy be very bad for people to make DOOM 3 models.
2. The NS community obviously may not agree wholly with it HOWEVER they DO know of the issue as we can see from all the previous posts here.
3. There is a strong debate regarding the use of copywrited material
4. The NS Forums moderating team strongy looks down upon warez, and other realated copywrite infringment. (ex. One day autoban for anything remotely related to an illegal pre release for DOOM 3)
Well I guess I have to ask (which has been somewhat mentioned before)
If this much debate comes up over copywrited DOOM 3 material, then why hasnt this debate been so strong with Aliens, Predator, Starship Troopers, Jin Roh, Equilibrium, (and about a dozen other movies) etc. etc. etc.
And what do the mods think?
================================================== On another point Technically speaking, it might pose problems when people model a Colt 1911 or a Glock and then call it such with the firearms manufactorers emblem on it the model of in the file name.
Did anyone else notice for example how in all the 007 games for console, the game had real life weapons with BS names? B/c nintendo and Playstation game companys never had a licenced agreement with any of those weapons manufactors. ie: Heckler & Koch, Colt, FN, etc
and so real life guns such as the H&K Mp5K are now called simply the Deutsche <== German word for German, H&K is a german comapny.
The same can be said when Counter Strike went retail. Notice how all the weapon names suddenly changed from their real names to fake ones?
The same principles also dictate what the model looks like. example. Need4Speed games. The game company is not allowed to model/show extreme amouts of damage to the cars (a cracked windshield or light is about it) in game b/c they have made legal agreements for the game to use the real names of the cars, and the real companies marketing division thinks that a crashed porsche in game will somehow influence peoples opinions of its safety in real life or something.
However for this last interesting point the ns community seems to get around this b/c the models are not for retail purposes I guess.
Evil_IceJoin Date: 2004-07-09Member: 29827Members, Squad Five Blue
gd.... who cares? Doom3 models aren't that great! They are lower poly than most of the custom models you find around here, and they are lower detail! The thing that makes them look nice is the engine, and without it the model = sucks... besides isn't original concept better? just let it go already...
<!--QuoteBegin-sheena yanai+Aug 15 2004, 08:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Aug 15 2004, 08:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Aka'lamanaia+Aug 15 2004, 02:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aka'lamanaia @ Aug 15 2004, 02:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sheena, its Conversions not Conversations <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Also, why you need so desperately to warn everybody who wants to do somekind of conversion about copyrights, its not like their gona sue you Sheena. Your simply not protecting your own intrests, and you certainly don't have the need to protect ID's intrests. if you really have the burning need to protect someones copyrights, email the author, don't start posting about copyright laws. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you really dont get it?
what about us? what about our board? what about our game? i really dont care about id software or any other company
do you really want to risk all that because someone else really wants to release potential lawsuit happy material ? i bet its also not very good for flayras team and his company, for the case he would need one day a puplisher for his finished version of ns... in the case of a court order flayra have to shut down this place.thats very good for the image. why are some peoples so smallminded, and cant think a little bit farther. yeah.. im ripping sometimes stuff too(from my original copys), but i wont release them, even when they are pretty nice lookin.
i have no problem with peoples ripping from their legitimate copy of doom3 for themself, and use them for their game. but why are some peoples releasing this source material on our board ? releasing it to peoples who are potential not owning a copy of doom3?
if the phrase "potential not owning" comes into the game it would be better not releasing that kind of stuff... i think it would be ok if you are able to do a installer for the model with a doom3 cd checker <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
decompiling,ripping and extracting material ,code analysis of software falls under back engineering and is forbidden for non educational reasons.
when you could get a ok from ID software, that would be cool, but i dont think not the "ID staff" themself are able to give you permission.. ( i dunno if they would, but im sure they really cant) i dont think their marketing department and legal department would be happy about such a request (like extracting models and sounds from their product, and releasing them.)
if you really cant resist to release this models , share them privatly, on irc or somewhere else..
BUT NOT HERE PLEASE <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> it's like she was saying, what i was thinking... it's insane, but very very true, ripping it off is lamage incarnate, and even if you do do it, and then put it on the forums, it's not you who's gonna come off bad, it's the whole NS community, if ID were to get wind of it, they'd probably try and shut this whole thing down and rape it's money for all it's worth. It's best just to play it safe and not touch on the subject again.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cpl.Davis+Aug 20 2004, 05:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cpl.Davis @ Aug 20 2004, 05:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If this much debate comes up over copywrited DOOM 3 material, then why hasnt this debate been so strong with Aliens, Predator, Starship Troopers, Jin Roh, Equilibrium, (and about a dozen other movies) etc. etc. etc. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There was a very strong argument about AvP2 rips. The others haven't had the same attention because they are not models that are ripped directly from other games.
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Go for it.
you really dont get it?
what about us?
what about our board?
what about our game?
i really dont care about id software or any other company
do you really want to risk all that because someone else really wants to release potential lawsuit happy material ? i bet its also not very good for flayras team and his company, for the case he would need one day a puplisher for his finished version of ns...
in the case of a court order flayra have to shut down this place.thats very good for the image.
why are some peoples so smallminded, and cant think a little bit farther. yeah.. im ripping sometimes stuff too(from my original copys), but i wont release them, even when they are pretty nice lookin.
i have no problem with peoples ripping from their legitimate copy of doom3 for themself, and use them for their game. but why are some peoples releasing this source material on our board ? releasing it to peoples who are potential not owning a copy of doom3?
if the phrase "potential not owning" comes into the game it would be better not releasing that kind of stuff...
i think it would be ok if you are able to do a installer for the model with a doom3 cd checker <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
decompiling,ripping and extracting material ,code analysis of software falls under back engineering and is forbidden for non educational reasons.
when you could get a ok from ID software, that would be cool, but i dont think not the "ID staff" themself are able to give you permission.. ( i dunno if they would, but im sure they really cant) i dont think their marketing department and legal department would be happy about such a request (like extracting models and sounds from their product, and releasing them.)
if you really cant resist to release this models , share them privatly, on irc or somewhere else..
BUT NOT HERE PLEASE
ive meant a original cd check , not the key.. the check should be able to check the intact copy protection and the product itself before it gives the ok to extract the model data . <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
its so silly its almost to complicated to realize, but it would be legal. aww..but this includes the process of back engineering their copy protection... and i think licensing the protection would be way to expensive for such a little installer.
and if your friend is so stupid to give away a cdkey, he should be beaten to death with wet noodles
Probably not.
id has foxed mods in the past for using their IP. Hell they even foxed Generations for quake 2 cause they used q1 and doom/doom2 content. (Generations q3 did everything from scratch that's why it was okay)
and yes i know that.. do you realize how much lawsuit happy material is in this board around already?
because nobody really thinks about that...
Probably not.
id has foxed mods in the past for using their IP. Hell they even foxed Generations for quake 2 cause they used q1 and doom/doom2 content. (Generations q3 did everything from scratch that's why it was okay) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why would NS even get involved? Flayra doesn't acknowledge the existance of any 3rd party model in his mod, and it's not released with it. Being scared the id would shut down everything in a heartbeat is frivulous, since theoretically following this silly logic I could put a stolen part in my car and the cops would shut down Toyota.
I can go into any game, like say, homeworld, right now, rip the music and sounds, and use them. And apparently UWE is going to get pantsed for that? Did the RIAA shut down any ISPs for 'allowing people to download music'? No. And frankly, they'd be more at fault then UWE would be for this.
DOOManiac, there's a difference - the Generations mod was released with protected material. NS isn't.
Probably not.
id has foxed mods in the past for using their IP. Hell they even foxed Generations for quake 2 cause they used q1 and doom/doom2 content. (Generations q3 did everything from scratch that's why it was okay) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why would NS even get involved? Flayra doesn't acknowledge the existance of any 3rd party model in his mod, and it's not released with it. Being scared the id would shut down everything in a heartbeat is frivulous, since theoretically following this silly logic I could put a stolen part in my car and the cops would shut down Toyota.
I can go into any game, like say, homeworld, right now, rip the music and sounds, and use them. And apparently UWE is going to get pantsed for that? Did the RIAA shut down any ISPs for 'allowing people to download music'? No. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
statements like this will send the world to hell sooner or later..
in fact ive seen cops confiscate whole cars just because of a stolen car radio ...
you need to read more carefully..youre allowed to use ripped content for yourself
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
you need to read more carefully..youre allowed to use ripped content for yourself <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And where in this thread did anyone suggest that the Imp replacement be an official model?
****, Valve cared more about the HL2 leak then id cared about the doom 3 leak. And you can't get much more 'stolen' then that.
whatever... ive cleared my point of view on this issue. and dont be silly to think you could legitimate it somehow...
Unless you care to give one reason why this <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=76327&hl=halo' target='_blank'>this</a> should be allowed but an Imp shouldn't? I've never seen you complain in the past about this, why start now?
P.S.i think personally, that animated right,the Hell knight could make a freaking AWESOME onos(animated right meaning on both feet not like hes playing horsey with the damn marines)i mean fade allready has most the onos animations and there is allready a like devil fade or whatever for Onos, just scale it up and do a little editing of the animations.
A lot of companies are getting reeeal sue happy right now, and the only reason a Halo pack would probably be okay is because Bungie hasn't shown any signs. I see your point their EEK, but its a matter of risk. iD is just the kind of company to go "Oh, hi. Bubye." at something just to protect their rights, mostly because they got screwed in the past.
If this is the case then it should be fully ok for the conversions. If we were suing them to make a profit or to use them for personal gain then obviously we shouldn't be allowed. I personally think that just using it in another game is ok as long as it's not used to damage the property of ID or to cause any damage to thier profit intake.
If you want to see an imp in NS, make one. Done properly it will be better than a ripped one anyway, since ripped models will be set up to take advantage of shader features not present in HL.
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as long as credit is given where credit is due, i would not mind my work being sought after for other venues, as long as it is skillfully done and not commercially exploited. In fact I would be flattered that my work is so appreciated and versatile it is ported to different contexts. i would like to be notified, however, but this is unlikely in our circumstance given the legal implications.
you are right, however, that the ported models will look less impressive in the HL engine, as the glistening shader effects will be lost
if someone (or team) does make a port over, it would be fantastic if they also changed the green infestations textures in the wads to look more like the doom3's growth of pulsating bloody flesh, or at least the blood splatter and stains
Understanding that
1. Due to legal copywrite issues, it might potentialy be very bad for people to make DOOM 3 models.
2. The NS community obviously may not agree wholly with it HOWEVER they DO know of the issue as we can see from all the previous posts here.
3. There is a strong debate regarding the use of copywrited material
4. The NS Forums moderating team strongy looks down upon warez, and other
realated copywrite infringment. (ex. One day autoban for anything remotely related to an illegal pre release for DOOM 3)
Well I guess I have to ask (which has been somewhat mentioned before)
If this much debate comes up over copywrited DOOM 3 material, then why hasnt this debate been so strong with Aliens, Predator, Starship Troopers, Jin Roh, Equilibrium, (and about a dozen other movies) etc. etc. etc.
And what do the mods think?
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On another point
Technically speaking, it might pose problems when people model a Colt 1911 or a Glock and then call it such with the firearms manufactorers emblem on it the model of in the file name.
Did anyone else notice for example how in all the 007 games for console, the game had real life weapons with BS names? B/c nintendo and Playstation game companys never had a licenced agreement with any of those weapons manufactors. ie: Heckler & Koch, Colt, FN, etc
and so real life guns such as the H&K Mp5K are now called simply
the Deutsche <== German word for German, H&K is a german comapny.
The same can be said when Counter Strike went retail. Notice how all the weapon names suddenly changed from their real names to fake ones?
The same principles also dictate what the model looks like. example.
Need4Speed games. The game company is not allowed to model/show extreme amouts of damage to the cars (a cracked windshield or light is about it) in game b/c they have made legal agreements for the game to use the real names of the cars, and the real companies marketing division thinks that a crashed porsche in game will somehow influence peoples opinions of its safety in real life or something.
However for this last interesting point the ns community seems to get around this b/c the models are not for retail purposes I guess.
you really dont get it?
what about us?
what about our board?
what about our game?
i really dont care about id software or any other company
do you really want to risk all that because someone else really wants to release potential lawsuit happy material ? i bet its also not very good for flayras team and his company, for the case he would need one day a puplisher for his finished version of ns...
in the case of a court order flayra have to shut down this place.thats very good for the image.
why are some peoples so smallminded, and cant think a little bit farther. yeah.. im ripping sometimes stuff too(from my original copys), but i wont release them, even when they are pretty nice lookin.
i have no problem with peoples ripping from their legitimate copy of doom3 for themself, and use them for their game. but why are some peoples releasing this source material on our board ? releasing it to peoples who are potential not owning a copy of doom3?
if the phrase "potential not owning" comes into the game it would be better not releasing that kind of stuff...
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decompiling,ripping and extracting material ,code analysis of software falls under back engineering and is forbidden for non educational reasons.
when you could get a ok from ID software, that would be cool, but i dont think not the "ID staff" themself are able to give you permission.. ( i dunno if they would, but im sure they really cant) i dont think their marketing department and legal department would be happy about such a request (like extracting models and sounds from their product, and releasing them.)
if you really cant resist to release this models , share them privatly, on irc or somewhere else..
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it's like she was saying, what i was thinking... it's insane, but very very true, ripping it off is lamage incarnate, and even if you do do it, and then put it on the forums, it's not you who's gonna come off bad, it's the whole NS community, if ID were to get wind of it, they'd probably try and shut this whole thing down and rape it's money for all it's worth. It's best just to play it safe and not touch on the subject again.
There was a very strong argument about AvP2 rips. The others haven't had the same attention because they are not models that are ripped directly from other games.
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