Yeah there's a lack of news about updates, the BUS (which was supposed to be announced far ago now...) etc. Damn hard to maintain a news website about NS at the moment <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Zephor+Jun 21 2004, 10:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zephor @ Jun 21 2004, 10:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-matchbox+Jun 21 2004, 10:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (matchbox @ Jun 21 2004, 10:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [22:54] <paco|afkish> <a href='http://grouphug.us/confessions/739177389' target='_blank'>http://grouphug.us/confessions/739177389</a> <-- flayra speaks :x <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> stop playing with my feelings <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That wasn't Flayra, don't post illegit links. Flayra is working on his new company, he doesn't have much time to work on ns that much, even though he still does.
lighten up a bit, everyone knows it wasn't Flayra, it was just a joke <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Communication is the most important part of any project... Flayra is probably working hard on something, like Valve did with HL2, but the lack of communication leaves us all confused and we loose any excitement we once held.
No, the game is never being updated again. The playtesters and dev's they keep on + the site they update every so often are just a facade used to fool the population.
Edit: Forgot to mention the B.U.S system was the big finish, it is used to keep everyone hoping for the best. BAHAHA this was NS's secret plan all along.
<!--QuoteBegin-shanks+Jun 22 2004, 07:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (shanks @ Jun 22 2004, 07:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the last version was released less than 2 months away...
how often do DoD, CS, TFC, Q3, UT2k4 etc all get updated? ....
it's coming - just be patient <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For me it seems to be an year ago since the last Update <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Flayra's actually in the midst of moving at the moment. He has no internet connection in his new apartment (nor a bed, from hearsay) just yet. Makes updates a little difficult, even if more was done. Life happens.
Official maptests are still happening, and development (mostly bugfixes as well as minor feature-upgrades) by the other devs is progressing, but without the core codeserver connected, a new compile isn't possible, and so no update is possible at this time.
Hopefully, Flayra will have the code on his computer and while the time he has not had a connection, he will have made his own changes/fixes/features to the NS code, therefore we may be in for a <b>B</b>ig s<b>U</b>rpri<b>S</b>e when he returns.
Flayra is currently moving to a new house. This new house is currently WITHOUT THE INTERNET. Because he has no acess to the internet, and Important People have no acess to the Important Files on Flayra's computer (over the Internet). Therefore, work on NS has stalled until flayra can settle in. <span style='color:white'>Calm. Down.</span>
Allways showing off your self-control, eh nem? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Perhaps I was a little irate, but you should of seen the post before I edited it. I am getting pretty annoyed with everyone yelling about how NS is unbalanced and that flayra doesn't care about the mod anymore. I assure you that regardless of whatever else Flayra is working on, he will not just drop NS in an incompleted state. That is not flayra. At all.
<!--QuoteBegin-Redford+Jun 22 2004, 09:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Jun 22 2004, 09:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Flayra is currently moving to a new house. This new house is currently WITHOUT THE INTERNET. Because he has no acess to the internet, and Important People have no acess to the Important Files on Flayra's computer (over the Internet). Therefore, work on NS has stalled until flayra can settle in. <span style='color:white'>Calm. Down.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Would it be hard for someone to post this on the NS site, like hey i moving so don't expect anything for couple of weeks.
That way people would shut the F up and no more complains.
<!--QuoteBegin-Jim has Skillz+Jun 22 2004, 01:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jim has Skillz @ Jun 22 2004, 01:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zephor+Jun 21 2004, 10:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zephor @ Jun 21 2004, 10:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-matchbox+Jun 21 2004, 10:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (matchbox @ Jun 21 2004, 10:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [22:54] <paco|afkish> <a href='http://grouphug.us/confessions/739177389' target='_blank'>http://grouphug.us/confessions/739177389</a> <-- flayra speaks :x <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> stop playing with my feelings <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That wasn't Flayra, don't post illegit links. Flayra is working on his new company, he doesn't have much time to work on ns that much, even though he still does. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Even if it's fake it's still true
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Redford+Jun 22 2004, 09:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Jun 22 2004, 09:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Flayra is currently moving to a new house. This new house is currently WITHOUT THE INTERNET. Because he has no acess to the internet, and Important People have no acess to the Important Files on Flayra's computer (over the Internet). Therefore, work on NS has stalled until flayra can settle in. <span style='color:white'>Calm. Down.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Would it be hard for someone to post this on the NS site, like hey i moving so don't expect anything for couple of weeks.
That way people would shut the F up and no more complains.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Considering you never know how long these things are going to take, it's better to say nothing at all. Because the second you say "I'm moving, be settled in 2 weeks", and you take 2 weeks, 1 day.. People jump all over you. That's also the reason why the next release is going to be released "when it's ready". Missing deadlines is unprofessional (For example see: Valve, or Open Text's release of FirstClass 8), and makes customers/or players angry.... So sometimes in software it's better to keep your mouth shut then open a can of worms..
As someone else posted, the most recent beta is still only a few months old. Go play, have fun..
I think this shows an underlying problem in ns and most games at the moment is that nothing new has appeared recently, I think we are all waiting and hoping the the BUS will add something new enough to keep us interested until hl2 gets here.
To bad my PC's so bad it wont be able to run HL2, infact it's struggling to a run a what? 6year old game right now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-waller+Jun 22 2004, 02:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (waller @ Jun 22 2004, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To bad my PC's so bad it wont be able to run HL2, infact it's struggling to a run a what? 6year old game right now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
15FPS OWNAGE <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think my 166MHZ PC got 15FPS on TFC a few year's ago.
<!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Jun 22 2004, 03:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Jun 22 2004, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-shanks+Jun 22 2004, 02:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (shanks @ Jun 22 2004, 02:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the last version was released less than 2 months away...
how often do DoD, CS, TFC, Q3, UT2k4 etc all get updated? ....
it's coming - just be patient <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> those games don't have crippiling issues to be patched. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Right, because its fairly hard to create an issue on the game concept of "Shoot the other players 80% similiar unit to win" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And yeah, I realize flayra hadn't had internet access and all...but how hard is to to ask someone else or even use a friends for five minutes and tell us about it? None of this stuff would happen if we were at least informed that he's busy now, or if we had a small summary of what's going on.
Right now, the only time we see Flayra is like one day before release, when he gets out a new patch and goes into hiding again. There is no time to talk about unchained chambers, hitboxes or fade crouch.
Flayra is much like a king of old. He doesn't come out and listen to the peasents whining himself, he has other folks that do that for him, then report back to him. Just because he doesn't post 100 times on the forums and come on IRC for 6 hours a day to chat and doesn't mean he isn't aware of what is going on with the community.
Aaronvroom vroom der party startahJoin Date: 2002-11-05Member: 7020Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Redford+Jun 22 2004, 10:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Jun 22 2004, 10:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Flayra is currently moving to a new house. This new house is currently WITHOUT THE INTERNET. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Then by all means send me his address and I will package up and send him THE INTERNET priority mail!
Nah they're not updating it anymore, and most of us know it but we maintain the forum just for the laugh value.
I guess that means you'll be moving on to a more "lively" mod instead? Shame.
But seriously folks, NS is a very sophisticated mod and considerably hard to balance, please bear in mind most games involve a small beta of hardened players who play non stop, repetitive games trying to BREAK the program. NS atm is open beta (and I assume I'm right in saying that, if I'm wrong then apologies) and they're trying to juggle comments from people who've been onboard since day 1 with the newer players, while all the time keeping true to the original vision of the game. Lets also remember that there are effectively TWO games in this mod now.
On the subject of Flayra, I don't see why we need to know every bowel movement for a game we've paid nothing for. Even if I donate to Constellation I am STILL NOT PAYING FOR THIS GAME, I'm making a freewill contribution to it's progress but I'm not buying it. What I can say is that when I was stuck on the customisation forum Flayra posted in with some info on how the mod handled the animation, which was very valuable to us. He does his job, we do ours.
At the end of the day if you want to whine about lack of updates, do it on your own time on your own forum. Don't bring it here, please. Most of us can accept that development is a slow process AND he's trying to forge a company from scratch. I'm taking it that no news is GOOD news, and better that than an update saying NS will be dropped, don't you think?
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
edited June 2004
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>i guess because flayra doesn't have internet access the devs aren't allowed to even acknowledge outstanding problems in natural-selection.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't even know what this means??
Have you checked out the Mantis bug DB??? Lots of fun reading in there.. And believe me, issues of importance are being discussed...
Play testers, devs, mods, and even Flay himself understand what the main issues with NS are...
Crouching animations for the fade, and reload animations... right?? right??
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stop playing with my feelings <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
stop playing with my feelings <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That wasn't Flayra, don't post illegit links. Flayra is working on his new company, he doesn't have much time to work on ns that much, even though he still does.
Communication is the most important part of any project... Flayra is probably working hard on something, like Valve did with HL2, but the lack of communication leaves us all confused and we loose any excitement we once held.
Edit: Forgot to mention the B.U.S system was the big finish, it is used to keep everyone hoping for the best. BAHAHA this was NS's secret plan all along.
/end sarcasm
how often do DoD, CS, TFC, Q3, UT2k4 etc all get updated? ....
it's coming - just be patient <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No news /= (not equal to) bad news.
how often do DoD, CS, TFC, Q3, UT2k4 etc all get updated? ....
it's coming - just be patient <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For me it seems to be an year ago since the last Update <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Official maptests are still happening, and development (mostly bugfixes as well as minor feature-upgrades) by the other devs is progressing, but without the core codeserver connected, a new compile isn't possible, and so no update is possible at this time.
Yeah well, that's it... he doesn't have connection as of now. So no development from his part until he gets it back.
Every little detail changed/added/removed is listed on that site and it's updated almost daily.
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Allways showing off your self-control, eh nem? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Perhaps I was a little irate, but you should of seen the post before I edited it. I am getting pretty annoyed with everyone yelling about how NS is unbalanced and that flayra doesn't care about the mod anymore. I assure you that regardless of whatever else Flayra is working on, he will not just drop NS in an incompleted state. That is not flayra. At all.
Would it be hard for someone to post this on the NS site, like hey i moving so don't expect anything for couple of weeks.
That way people would shut the F up and no more complains.
stop playing with my feelings <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That wasn't Flayra, don't post illegit links. Flayra is working on his new company, he doesn't have much time to work on ns that much, even though he still does. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even if it's fake it's still true
LoL
Would it be hard for someone to post this on the NS site, like hey i moving so don't expect anything for couple of weeks.
That way people would shut the F up and no more complains.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Considering you never know how long these things are going to take, it's better to say nothing at all. Because the second you say "I'm moving, be settled in 2 weeks", and you take 2 weeks, 1 day.. People jump all over you. That's also the reason why the next release is going to be released "when it's ready". Missing deadlines is unprofessional (For example see: Valve, or Open Text's release of FirstClass 8), and makes customers/or players angry.... So sometimes in software it's better to keep your mouth shut then open a can of worms..
As someone else posted, the most recent beta is still only a few months old. Go play, have fun..
-Z
15FPS OWNAGE
15FPS OWNAGE <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think my 166MHZ PC got 15FPS on TFC a few year's ago.
have a cookeh..
psst...i made that up <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit : and its still true
how often do DoD, CS, TFC, Q3, UT2k4 etc all get updated? ....
it's coming - just be patient <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
those games don't have crippiling issues to be patched. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right, because its fairly hard to create an issue on the game concept of "Shoot the other players 80% similiar unit to win" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Right now, the only time we see Flayra is like one day before release, when he gets out a new patch and goes into hiding again. There is no time to talk about unchained chambers, hitboxes or fade crouch.
Lack of internet access on the other hand...
Then by all means send me his address and I will package up and send him THE INTERNET priority mail!
I guess that means you'll be moving on to a more "lively" mod instead? Shame.
But seriously folks, NS is a very sophisticated mod and considerably hard to balance, please bear in mind most games involve a small beta of hardened players who play non stop, repetitive games trying to BREAK the program. NS atm is open beta (and I assume I'm right in saying that, if I'm wrong then apologies) and they're trying to juggle comments from people who've been onboard since day 1 with the newer players, while all the time keeping true to the original vision of the game. Lets also remember that there are effectively TWO games in this mod now.
On the subject of Flayra, I don't see why we need to know every bowel movement for a game we've paid nothing for. Even if I donate to Constellation I am STILL NOT PAYING FOR THIS GAME, I'm making a freewill contribution to it's progress but I'm not buying it. What I can say is that when I was stuck on the customisation forum Flayra posted in with some info on how the mod handled the animation, which was very valuable to us. He does his job, we do ours.
At the end of the day if you want to whine about lack of updates, do it on your own time on your own forum. Don't bring it here, please. Most of us can accept that development is a slow process AND he's trying to forge a company from scratch. I'm taking it that no news is GOOD news, and better that than an update saying NS will be dropped, don't you think?
I don't even know what this means??
Have you checked out the Mantis bug DB??? Lots of fun reading in there..
And believe me, issues of importance are being discussed...
Play testers, devs, mods, and even Flay himself understand what the main issues with NS are...
Crouching animations for the fade, and reload animations... right?? right??
<!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->