Co_pitchblack

Uh-OhUh-Oh Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6917Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Darker maps.. but how dark.</div> Hi all. I'm working on my first real map, I'm giving it the title:
Co_PitchBlack.

The OSS BOB III lost it's main power during an accident. Now the whole ship is floating in space with auxiliary lights alone. The crew is in terror.

Ok, so the map is dark. Question is, how does one use a non biased way to light up a map. Cause if I use my monitors normal operating function, the map is REALLY dark, but if I turn on "Superbright mode 1" (viewsonic P95F+), like I normally do in every game I play, the map becomes just right. How do I know it won't be too bright / dark for other peoples configuration?

Thanks all.

P.S. The map is about 25% done, before I give it the beta title.

Comments

  • uffouffo Join Date: 2003-05-03 Member: 16026Members
    according the guidelines:
    It should be playable with default brightness settings.
    There's still people who wants to play the way it's meant to be played
  • kolokolkolokol Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9166Members
    Waves arms, i play with default brightness settings! I would like to see. The trick is to make it feel dark without being dark. Old bast was a great example.
  • RecoupRecoup Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28195Members
    Dark Maps are getting too alien biased...
  • wascally_wabbitwascally_wabbit Join Date: 2003-09-09 Member: 20701Members
    Simply using default brightness settings for NS doesn't work sometimes...

    Different video cards, monitor brightness, etc, will cause quite a variation.

    So I'd suggest using the default settings, then every few rooms, get a few people to check out the lighting with you, make sure it looks alright (It absolutely SUCKS to have a map that was created by someone with wildly different gamma/brightness than you, and they think it looks perfect =/)

    btw, for an idea on how to make a dark map look awesome, look at the 1.04 version of ns_... um... ns_themapwithuppersewerandwithhivesnamedsewer,vent,andgenerator =P
  • Uh-OhUh-Oh Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6917Members
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-uffo+May 23 2004, 05:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uffo @ May 23 2004, 05:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> according the guidelines:
    It should be playable with default brightness settings.
    There's still people who wants to play the way it's meant to be played <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's exactly the point. There doesn't exist such a thing as "default brightness".

    Each monitor, each videocard, each video card driver, will affect the gamma/brightness/contrast of a level. How much a monitor as been used will also affect the gamma/brightness/contrast.

    Your ambient room lights and reflections will also affect how the game looks.

    So, it's hard to balance. I guess I'll simply use all of the computers at my disposition to make an average...

    P.S. Monitors with different "superbright modes" do not have a standard brightness. They usually have 2 to 6 modes of display, each one has been tailored for particular uses (text/internet, movies, games, pictures, etc...).

    As far as dark maps being too easy for aliens, I digress.
    A hidden marine or a hidden alien, both cannot be seen in dark maps. Motion Tracking and Sent of Fear will help both teams. Dark maps also give a better feel (depending on the room/settings), and they help ambushes (wich are nowadays non-existent). Dark maps help make the game more tense, and add confusion and disorientation. That is only my opinion though...

    P.S. I am aware that some people like to "exploit" their hardware to make maps SUPER bright even when it's suppose to be pitch black. They don't care that they make the maps look ugly, all they want is easier kills. We all hate those people. But there is nothing we can do to change that.
  • jplovejplove Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17475Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-me23+May 23 2004, 02:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (me23 @ May 23 2004, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->btw, for an idea on how to make a dark map look awesome, look at the 1.04 version of ns_... um...  ns_themapwithuppersewerandwithhivesnamedsewer,vent,andgenerator <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That would be ns_caged
  • uffouffo Join Date: 2003-05-03 Member: 16026Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Uh-Oh+May 23 2004, 04:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Uh-Oh @ May 23 2004, 04:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's exactly the point. There doesn't exist such a thing as "default brightness". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yeah? I recall there was a somekind of test picture distributed with 1.0 to correct your brightness settings to what they should be (pretty hard explained <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
  • frostymoosefrostymoose Join Date: 2003-09-12 Member: 20799Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Recoup+May 23 2004, 11:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Recoup @ May 23 2004, 11:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dark Maps are getting too alien biased... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    really? well then aliens can't see what they're attacking. so I disagree. they're bad for both teams.
  • 2_of_Eight2_of_Eight Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20016Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-uffo+May 23 2004, 07:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uffo @ May 23 2004, 07:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Uh-Oh+May 23 2004, 04:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Uh-Oh @ May 23 2004, 04:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's exactly the point. There doesn't exist such a thing as "default brightness". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yeah? I recall there was a somekind of test picture distributed with 1.0 to correct your brightness settings to what they should be (pretty hard explained <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ideally, we should all have this brightness. But do we?
    No. Why?
    Lamers disregard this utility and boost their gamma, brightness, whatever to the max - so they get easy kills. You can't possibly make a map dark for these people.
  • Jean_Luc_PicardJean_Luc_Picard Join Date: 2003-02-03 Member: 13051Members
    edited May 2004
    Well... if ppl used the gamma adjuster in the setup guide................................................

    <span style='color:red'>DO NOT ABUSE THE ATTATCHMENT FEATURE</span>
  • BobTheJanitorBobTheJanitor Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24228Members, NS1 Playtester
    Some pink guy would appear and blast them in the face... ?
  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Lamers disregard this utility and boost their gamma, brightness, whatever to the max - so they get easy kills. You can't possibly make a map dark for these people. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You can, but you have to turn of -bounce so that you can have totally pitch black regions and you would only get sucky direct lighting.
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